Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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TRM
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He's a CAIR shill and defender of terrorists.
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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-demands-lower-gas-prices-oil-companies-chides-chevron-ceo-2026-08-03/

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Trump blasts Exxon, Chevron for making 'too much money,' demands lower gasoline prices

By Jarrett Renshaw and Sheila Dang

August 3, 20267:25 AM PDT

Trump calls out Exxon, Chevron following blowout earnings

Trump says his administration saved the oil industry

He says Chevron CEO failed to credit his administration for success

WASHINGTON, Aug 3 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump accused ExxonMobil (XOM.N), opens new tab and Chevron (CVX.N), opens new tab on Monday of making "too much money" off higher fuel prices and said the oil giants should "give some of that back to the public," a notable break from his usual alliance with the industry.

"I don't like it," Trump told reporters on Monday, three days after the companies reported blowout second-quarter earnings as the ongoing war in Iran keeps oil prices high. "Chevron, too much money. ExxonMobil, too much. Too much money."

"They better cut the retail price, the consumer price," Trump told reporters on Monday, adding that oil prices would "drop through the floor" when the conflict with Iran ends.
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Higher gas prices fueled by the Iran war and cost-of-living concerns pose a political risk to Trump ahead of November's midterm elections when his fellow Republicans are seeking to retain control of Congress.

Retail gasoline prices, currently averaging around $4.10 nationwide, have climbed more than 30% since the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran earlier this year.
In the 4.3 months since Trump and Bibi attacked Iran in late February, the resulting increases in gasoline and diesel prices has cost U.S. consumers, U.S. farmers, U.S. businesses, and other U.S. entities an estimated total of $78B in extra gasoline and diesel costs.

That is just for the USA.

Trump has trapped himself in a Kobyashi Maru scenario. He's in a box. He has no good exit options. The only choices he has are bad exit options and worse exit options.

Unfortunately for us, Trump has put all of us ordinary Americans and our nation in the box alongside him.

The late Colin Powell called it the Pottery Barn Rule of foreign policy and projection of power. "If you break it, you own it and you will consequently pay the price for it."

It's an age old lesson, thousands of years old. Caveat emptor. Look before you leap. Decisions and actions have consequences.
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"The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it."
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Queso1
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I thought the Colin Powell line was "if you lie about WMDs enough, the American people will support your neocon agenda."
Deputy Travis Junior
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I think this:
"I think Keane is absolutely right here. Our "Gulf allies"are fine with the US taking on Iran as long as it costs them little or nothing."

...is unfairly downplaying the costs to them. They've already eaten a lot of rocket attacks and it'll get far worse if this thing escalates and the "we won't attack civilian infrastructure" gloves come off. We're moaning about high gas prices, but Iran is threatening their homes, their economy, their water supplies, their lives.
TRM
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All the more reason for KSA and others should be happy for us to remove Iranian hardliners. They now know they can lob bombs indiscriminately at them to get their way.
Also, to me the Saudi-Pakistani mutual defense agreement seems pretty toothless given all the attacks on KSA.
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Trump should be judged by the same standards he judged past presidents! If it was someone else besides him he would be slamming them every time he speaks.

He has had his own mission accomplished failure. He's ending civilization threat makes Obama:'s red line with Syria look like nothing. He got a huge pass for the million times he said he'd end the Ukraine war on day one. His start and then handling of the Iran war, not war, ahead of schedule war has been a total disaster. One person can destroy Trump and sadly it's Trump.
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DeschutesAg said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-demands-lower-gas-prices-oil-companies-chides-chevron-ceo-2026-08-03/

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Trump blasts Exxon, Chevron for making 'too much money,' demands lower gasoline prices

By Jarrett Renshaw and Sheila Dang

August 3, 20267:25 AM PDT

Trump calls out Exxon, Chevron following blowout earnings

Trump says his administration saved the oil industry

He says Chevron CEO failed to credit his administration for success

WASHINGTON, Aug 3 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump accused ExxonMobil (XOM.N), opens new tab and Chevron (CVX.N), opens new tab on Monday of making "too much money" off higher fuel prices and said the oil giants should "give some of that back to the public," a notable break from his usual alliance with the industry.

"I don't like it," Trump told reporters on Monday, three days after the companies reported blowout second-quarter earnings as the ongoing war in Iran keeps oil prices high. "Chevron, too much money. ExxonMobil, too much. Too much money."

"They better cut the retail price, the consumer price," Trump told reporters on Monday, adding that oil prices would "drop through the floor" when the conflict with Iran ends.

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Higher gas prices fueled by the Iran war and cost-of-living concerns pose a political risk to Trump ahead of November's midterm elections when his fellow Republicans are seeking to retain control of Congress.

Retail gasoline prices, currently averaging around $4.10 nationwide, have climbed more than 30% since the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran earlier this year.

In the 4.3 months since Trump and Bibi attacked Iran in late February, the resulting increases in gasoline and diesel prices has cost U.S. consumers, U.S. farmers, U.S. businesses, and other U.S. entities an estimated total of $78B in extra gasoline and diesel costs.

That is just for the USA.

Trump has trapped himself in a Kobyashi Maru scenario. He's in a box. He has no good exit options. The only choices he has are bad exit options and worse exit options.

Unfortunately for us, Trump has put all of us ordinary Americans and our nation in the box alongside him.

The late Colin Powell called it the Pottery Barn Rule of foreign policy and projection of power. "If you break it, you own it and you will consequently pay the price for it."

It's an age old lesson, thousands of years old. Caveat emptor. Look before you leap. Decisions and actions have consequences.

sounds like something biden or obama would say
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nortex97
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

I think this:
"I think Keane is absolutely right here. Our "Gulf allies"are fine with the US taking on Iran as long as it costs them little or nothing."

...is unfairly downplaying the costs to them. They've already eaten a lot of rocket attacks and it'll get far worse if this thing escalates and the "we won't attack civilian infrastructure" gloves come off. We're moaning about high gas prices, but Iran is threatening their homes, their economy, their water supplies, their lives.

Oh he's absolutely right.
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YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.
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But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact


Well, that settles it.



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TxAG#2011 said:

sts7049 said:



Massive Biden energy from this guy

Yes he believes Maga is so dumb they believe gas is high because of oil companies. Gas is high because Israel talked us into a war that did not benefit us and only them. Unwinnable for us but every day it drags is a win for Israel. You can be for or against the war but the posters here mostly understand supply and demand and realize the oil company profits aren't the reason gas is high. Trump lies daily
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Trump lies daily


Except when he is tweeting about his opponents in a primary. You can take that to the (non-Jewish owned) bank.
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Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



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BMX Bandit said:

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But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact


Well, that settles it.





That's just one the other would be the larry Ellison emails get strait to the point. Will he or won't he be a great "friend" to Israel... Ellison great meeting with Rubio he will be a great friend to Israel. I would think that would settle it. If you need a 4k video showing Addleson or Ellison giving him a million cash in a suitcase I don't think that's happening. You will just have to take the guy that owns most of the US media words for it.
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A friend to Israel???

Oh no!!!


Someone willing to support a democracy over the hordes of goat raping,terrorist scumbags that want death to America (sorry, it's not just a catchy slogan) surrounding them!!

We can't have that!
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BMX Bandit said:

A friend to Israel???

Oh no!!!


Someone willing to support a democracy over the hordes of goat raping,terrorist scumbags that want death to America (sorry, it's not just a catchy slogan) surrounding them!!

We can't have that!


Guess we will have to agree to disagree when I see billionaires American billionaires vetting candidates for Israel I don't see someone wanting to support a democracy. A democracy that does nothing for America has no oil or natural resources I see billionaires wanting to give him money to put Israel needs above America. To influence him to do what Aipac wants him to do not Americans. They were asking his vetting on Israel not what he could do for Americans.

So Rubio has been vetted by them Trump taken over 200 million from them and for the first time in our country history we enter a war as a joint partner with them. Or if you believe Rubio we entered a war as the bottom partner to them because they were attacking and we couldn't stop them. Rubios words Israel was going to attack so we joined into protect our forces in the area.Look at how upside down that is we fund them, protect them and they still get the luxury of starting a war we join as joint partners. It's a reason they vet people for Israel and its not because Israel is a democracy and some people chant things.
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4D Chess

nortex97
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Tough to watch.
Im Gipper
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Just about every country in the world tries to influence American domestic and internationally policy. Yet you only seem to care about one. And you only care about that one despite it being surrounded by counties that would literally slit your throat on live TV for being an infidel.

Can anyone explain how this makes any sense? I just don't get it. But I'm old, so maybe its some new thing.

I'm Gipper
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Now we have Bessent roped into fake deal announcements with Iran. That's a shame.
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PaulsBunions said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



This one



AHAHAHAHAHA, Ok, so the same people here who are blasting Trump for not being able to trust anything he says are now pointing to a single tweet of his during the primaries of the 2016 (where he said some pretty outlandish ****) as proof that Rubio, one of his primary opponents, is owned by Israel? Do you also believe Cruz's father killed JFK? Wasn't he also the Zodiac killer? Pretty sure there are some tweets about those claims, too.

Come on, now, at least be consistent.
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Come on, now, at least be consistent.

to be fair, there is one thing they are always consistent on.
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nortex97 said:

Tough to watch.


T&P to him in heaven and his family and loved ones left behind.
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Keyno said:

Now we are asking for a 1.5 trillion military budget?


More misinformation you spout.

The 1.5 trillion budget request predated Epic Fury.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/07/trump-calls-record-defense-budget-00715298
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Phatbob said:

PaulsBunions said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



This one



AHAHAHAHAHA, Ok, so the same people here who are blasting Trump for not being able to trust anything he says are now pointing to a single tweet of his during the primaries of the 2016 (where he said some pretty outlandish ****) as proof that Rubio, one of his primary opponents, is owned by Israel? Do you also believe Cruz's father killed JFK? Wasn't he also the Zodiac killer? Pretty sure there are some tweets about those claims, too.

Come on, now, at least be consistent.


It's incredible. A couple donations to a presidential campaign a decade ago (Ellison wasn't even the biggest donor) is the smoking gun that the Secretary of State is bought and paid for by Israel and not just smartly choosing to work with our only ally in the region. Not to mention he was one of Israel's biggest supporters in the senate long before he ran for president. They will literally do anything and use any source to try and prove Israel is some big nefarious supervillain.
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Phatbob said:

PaulsBunions said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



This one



AHAHAHAHAHA, Ok, so the same people here who are blasting Trump for not being able to trust anything he says are now pointing to a single tweet of his during the primaries of the 2016 (where he said some pretty outlandish ****) as proof that Rubio, one of his primary opponents, is owned by Israel? Do you also believe Cruz's father killed JFK? Wasn't he also the Zodiac killer? Pretty sure there are some tweets about those claims, too.

Come on, now, at least be consistent.

Yes you make a valid point but when you have more info like the leak emails that link the exact same things its almost as Trump was right. So we have two different sources confirming the same thing. One of them was never suppose to be seen publicly.
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Haleyscomet50 said:

Phatbob said:

PaulsBunions said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



This one



AHAHAHAHAHA, Ok, so the same people here who are blasting Trump for not being able to trust anything he says are now pointing to a single tweet of his during the primaries of the 2016 (where he said some pretty outlandish ****) as proof that Rubio, one of his primary opponents, is owned by Israel? Do you also believe Cruz's father killed JFK? Wasn't he also the Zodiac killer? Pretty sure there are some tweets about those claims, too.

Come on, now, at least be consistent.

Yes you make a valid point but when you have more info like the leak emails that link the exact same things its almost as Trump was right. So we have two different sources confirming the same thing. One of them was never suppose to be seen publicly.


And the massive smoking gun from these unverified leaked emails? Literally just Ellison telling Israel's UN Ambassador Rubio would be a "great friend for Israel". Which anyone who had paid attention already knew.
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the rally today suggests markets are pricing the resolution of hormuz risk at a magnitude in the hundreds of billions to low trillions of dollars in US equity value. it's further evidence of what the trump administration's blunder is costing us.
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PaulsBunions said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

YouBet said:

Haleyscomet50 said:

Rubio is Israel first. That's if you believe Trump that Rubio was bought and paid for by Addlesons.. It's also if you believe the leaked emails from Israel Americans that said Rubio was bought and paid for and had been vetted by Israel. Wont be enough fox news boomers left for him to get the nomination. Same goes for Desantis. The blowback from this war will change the party.

Some may not want to believe it but Vance believes it. He will do anything to win not sure what he stands for but you can bet he will go with the position that gives him the best chance of winning. Watch his actions if you want to see where the party is heading Vance is a smart guy a old school politian with no real views just whatever gives him the best chance of winning. He knows America first Israel last is going to sale in 28.


I don't believe this and will require more proof.

It's easy to find. Sorry I'm not computer smart posting links ect. But a tweet from Trump during the primary 2015 basically said he was addleson boy fact. Rumors if we remember the tea party surge Rubio was the golden boy but was always willing to be bought. Was a Rubio fan still am kind of. The leaked emails was one them maybe Ellison writing to another rich Israel first American saying Rubio had been bought paid for and vetted would do anything for them they wanted.

I'm sure the Trump tweet looking back was to exposed Addleson Rubio link because he wanted the money and didn't get it. Didn't believe this to begin with 10 years later makes sense.



This one




I really appreciated Trump's sentiment on this issue at the time, then he took the bag and became an Addelson/Israeli puppet himself. Hilarious turn of events. The betrayal still stings a little though, thought Trump was different than all the others before him, turns out he's just a lackey and he's destroying the US just as Bush, Obama and Biden did.
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HOLY ****

Does he think he is a military mastermind?! Screenshotted from Truth myself. Link to it to prove it's real.

I know some will try to pass it off as just another Trumpism thing but I don't think it is. As we continue to get stuck further into this quagmire of Iran, he probably thinks he is still doing a good job of it all. This post from him is just dumb and tone deaf. Maybe he thinks a military solution is still on the table?

Playing whack a mole on weapons in the desert isn't going to move the needle. We have months of proof of this. Does anyone think escalating to at least limited ground incursions is not the only real military option left? Going after civilian infrastructure is political suicide IMO. Then again, so is military escalation. Hence, the no good options left IMO. Along with many others thinking.

To be frank, I am ready for us to concede and just leave. I say that as the non President of course and only having to think of me and mine but that option has to be looking attractive more and more I would suspect. It would be a massive blow to our world standing but whatever, we've all but been beaten completely last several wars anyways and our foreign diplomacy and word has been a joke regardless. At least this way we don't bankrupt our children further and we may save more lives.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/117039540734733872
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That is just egregiously bad. Goodness.
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Queso1 said:

I thought the Colin Powell line was "if you lie about WMDs enough, the American people will support your neocon agenda."


You can only run that scam once,

granted the true believers that support your side will always believe

but the other 60+% won't get fooled again
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