Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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sts7049
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sts7049
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here's more detail about why the SoH being open matters to everyone, including the US



imminent collapse is a bit hyperbolic, but the points are still real. these things will come to bear eventually.

Who?mikejones!
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Ai fact check:

Overall verdict
I would rate the original claim as mixed: the broad direction is right, but several percentages are either inflated, imprecise, or not supported by the sources I found
ProgN
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sts7049 said:

here's more detail about why the SoH being open matters to everyone, including the US



imminent collapse is a bit hyperbolic, but the points are still real. these things will come to bear eventually.



I'm not questioning the validity of those numbers, but it only adds to my disappointment of Trump. His rhetoric and inaction is indefensible and embarrassing. He needs to either go for Iran's jugular, or slink away in defeat because he's losing ardent supporters like I once was
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ProgN said:

sts7049 said:

here's more detail about why the SoH being open matters to everyone, including the US



imminent collapse is a bit hyperbolic, but the points are still real. these things will come to bear eventually.



I'm not questioning the validity of those numbers, but it only adds to my disappointment of Trump. His rhetoric and inaction is indefensible and embarrassing. He needs to either go for Iran's jugular, or slink away in defeat because he's losing ardent supporters like I once was

Cant win short of a ground war. That was the whole reason not to start war in the first place. This can go on forever. We are shooting down thousand dollar drones with million dollar missiles nothing about this is good for us. Looking back looks like the America first wing of the party was right.
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Haleyscomet50 said:

ProgN said:

sts7049 said:

here's more detail about why the SoH being open matters to everyone, including the US



imminent collapse is a bit hyperbolic, but the points are still real. these things will come to bear eventually.



I'm not questioning the validity of those numbers, but it only adds to my disappointment of Trump. His rhetoric and inaction is indefensible and embarrassing. He needs to either go for Iran's jugular, or slink away in defeat because he's losing ardent supporters like I once was

Cant win short of a ground war. That was the whole reason not to start war in the first place. This can go on forever. We are shooting down thousand dollar drones with million dollar missiles nothing about this is good for us. Looking back looks like the America first wing of the party was right.


That's actually already changed. We are about to/already have deployed new vehicle hardware on back of the JLTV designed to shoot drones for fraction of cost of using missiles. We are advancing in this space despite some people thinking we are sitting on our laurels.
flown-the-coop
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I am thankful we have competent, smart, innovative and most of all courageous leaders in this admin from Trump to Hegseth, Cooper and Caine.

They understand the nature of this conflict, how to fight it, how to win it, how to resolve it.

God bless them, Donald John Trump, our troops and the these United States.
TxAG#2011
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Looks like Trump is finally growing a spine, but still hard to believe the President of the US took this long to see it when so many saw it months ago
MemphisAg1
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Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.
Queso1
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Clear objectives? Which ones?
YouBet
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Queso1 said:

Clear objectives? Which ones?


We are still doing this, huh?
BlackGold
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MemphisAg1 said:

Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.

Of course we shouldn't have started it or even been involved with it. It was Israel's war from the outset.
flown-the-coop
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MemphisAg1 said:

Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.


TACO is thankful for you registering your disappointment.

Let us know after you finish your daily intel briefings how you would handle it differently.

Look forward to your updates.
BlackGold
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flown-the-coop said:

MemphisAg1 said:

Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.


TACO is thankful for you registering your disappointment.

Let us know after you finish your daily intel briefings how you would handle it differently.

Look forward to your updates.

Told Israel to F off and pulled their funding.
Queso1
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YouBet said:

Queso1 said:

Clear objectives? Which ones?


We are still doing this, huh?


Apparently not for much longer.
DeepETX_Aggie
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Let's hope this reporting about Trump standing up to BiBi is true… but I have my doubts.
flown-the-coop
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

Let's hope this reporting about Trump standing up to BiBi is true… but I have my doubts.

What talk?
YouBet
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

Let's hope this reporting about Trump standing up to BiBi is true… but I have my doubts.


Apparently not.

flown-the-coop
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I see no reporting of Trump talking tough. Said it was more cordial than last time. Trump said he asked Bibi to consider delaying retaliation and Bibi declined.

I thought this was a thread for factual information but instead it's the same folks with updates from the IRGC.
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flown-the-coop said:

I see no reporting of Trump talking tough. Said it was more cordial than last time. Trump said he asked Bibi to consider delaying retaliation and Bibi declined.

I thought this was a thread for factual information but instead it's the same folks with updates from the IRGC.
AGHouston11
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flown-the-coop said:

MemphisAg1 said:

Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.


TACO is thankful for you registering your disappointment.

Let us know after you finish your daily intel briefings how you would handle it differently.

Look forward to your updates.


Well hopefully he's following those now and not advice from the likes of Lindsey Graham
DeschutesAg
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Hubris is a helluva thing.
flown-the-coop
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That's talking tough? From the folks who think his tweets are just too mean think him saying he calls the shots for the United States (and implied Israel does what Israel wants) is only proving all the Trump is a BoBi puppet wrong.

At some point pick a lane. One day Trump is a puppet, next Trump is slapping BiBi around, tomorrow it's the back to Russia, then China, then he falls asleep.

At some point, get serious.
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https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/08/politics/iran-talks-deadlocked-hostage-negotiation
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The Strait of Hormuz handles roughly one-fifth of global petroleum trade. Iran is effectively controlling it through threats and use of force missiles and drones and establishment of what it says is a new Iranian-led authority to meter access in and out.

For Iran, this is possession. It now has something the US (and for that matter, the rest of the world) wants. And it will not give it up unless and until America pays an exorbitant price. In Tehran's eyes, the strait has now become the most valuable hostage it has ever possessed.
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For Washington, the three options remain what they've been for weeks:

Endure: Seek to outlast the macro pressure and rising gasoline prices as economic pain compounds inside Tehran to some distant and uncertain breaking point.

Concede: Pay the up-front cost with billions to Iran in exchange for a return to status quo before the war a humiliating retreat for Trump given the stated objectives at the outset.

Fight: Seek to control the strait militarily and renew major operations inside Iran, with risk that Tehran then seeks to expand the war to other fronts.

FWTXAg
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

flown-the-coop said:

I see no reporting of Trump talking tough. Said it was more cordial than last time. Trump said he asked Bibi to consider delaying retaliation and Bibi declined.

I thought this was a thread for factual information but instead it's the same folks with updates from the IRGC.



Good luck with that lol

They better up his security really quickly.
FWTXAg
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BlackGold said:

flown-the-coop said:

MemphisAg1 said:

Really disappointed with Trump's prosecution of this war. He started it with clear objectives and then went soft in the knees when the Iranians destroyed Persian Gulf oil infrastructure which threatened to keep the price of gas elevated for some time. He's been saying he wants a deal but hasn't produced anything that accomplishes the objectives he laid out. Now Iran is launching missiles into Israel after they appropriately responded to a Hezbollah rocket attack, and Trump is telling Israel not to retaliate because it might mess up his deal.

TACO. That's all this is, and I'm disgusted by it. Never should have started the fight if he didn't have the spine to see it through.


TACO is thankful for you registering your disappointment.

Let us know after you finish your daily intel briefings how you would handle it differently.

Look forward to your updates.

Told Israel to F off and pulled their funding.


This would legitimately start World War III.
AGHouston11
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The off ramp for Trump on this really doesn't happen in any significant long term deal when the "partner" in this has repeatedly shown they don't have an issue in sabotaging any negotiations or deal.
aggiedent
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flown-the-coop said:

I am thankful we have competent, smart, innovative and most of all courageous leaders in this admin from Trump to Hegseth, Cooper and Caine.

They understand the nature of this conflict, how to fight it, how to win it, how to resolve it.

God bless them, Donald John Trump, our troops and the these United States.


Thank you for that. I haven't laughed that hard in a good while. Brilliant comedy!!!
DeschutesAg
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Quote:

We have the single best deal maker in the world acting as commander in chief
He hasn't been doing very well so far.

The clock is ticking.
RINO Safari
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[This thread isn't about Joe Biden. Start a different thread if you want to explore his track record with Iran -- Staff]
DeschutesAg
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AGHouston11 said:

The off ramp for Trump on this really doesn't happen in any significant long term deal when the "partner" in this has repeatedly shown they don't have an issue in sabotaging any negotiations or deal.
That is an interesting point.

Trump wants a deal. The rest of the world wants to see a deal made. The neighboring ME countries want a deal to be made.

But judging from the actions of the principal non-US parties involved in this conflict -- Hezbollah, the Iranian mullahs, the IRGC, Netanyahu, and the coalition of Israeli hardliner political parties -- none of those appear to want any deal that is a compromise.
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flown-the-coop said:

That's talking tough? From the folks who think his tweets are just too mean think him saying he calls the shots for the United States (and implied Israel does what Israel wants) is only proving all the Trump is a BoBi puppet wrong.

At some point pick a lane. One day Trump is a puppet, next Trump is slapping BiBi around, tomorrow it's the back to Russia, then China, then he falls asleep.

At some point, get serious.

You said you only saw that it was more cordial than last time and that he asked Bibi to consider delaying retaliation, and Bibi declined.

Just provided the reporting you haven't seen. I have never said anything about him being a puppet to Russia and China, or about falling asleep.
flown-the-coop
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You provided a fake take I had not seen, yes. Making **** up is not reporting.

Never said you said those other things I just pointed out the misinformation seems to have common sourcing and even more common regurgitation of such misinformation.
DeepETX_Aggie
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flown-the-coop said:

You provided a fake take I had not seen, yes. Making **** up is not reporting.

Never said you said those other things I just pointed out the misinformation seems to have common sourcing and even more common regurgitation of such misinformation.

What fake take did I provide? I just posted a Fox News video of exact quotes from Trump.
flown-the-coop
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You replied to my post saying there was no tough talk with a video showing there was no tough talk.

You added no context or comment so I assume based on your prior posting you simply didn't have the correct information or take.

That is all.
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