shiftyandquick said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Right this second 44.5% of the grid in Texas is coming from wind power.

I hope you guys are learning something from this thread. Seems that some of you feel like wind power is nothing and has no impact.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Right this second, most of the Panhandle is under a high wind warning. It's like picking the worst day of Hurricane Harvey and saying Houston gets 5000 inches of rain a year

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"Wind power is a hoax. And there is no list."

44.5% now. Let's see what it is tomorrow.

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Please return with this figure in August at 4pm in the afternoon when it is 100 degrees. I will wait.

OP - you and Biden would make a good team. Not sure in what.

Since power storage has been mentioned multiple times on this thread...

How does it "produce" electricity? And why is it compared to other power production methods?

You do realize data centers don't turn off at night?

GAC06 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Does a pile of coal go bad? Seems like it would always retain its energy until burned.

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Energy storage (batteries) have more output capacity in Texas than coal powered plants, and growing.

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Let us know when they are used to push back from the gate.

Again, you keep cherry picking data. Are you familiar with the concept of weather? Things operate different based on weather conditions. I can explain this further but not looking to detail.

GAC06 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Does a pile of coal go bad? Seems like it would always retain its energy until burned.

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Energy storage (batteries) have more output capacity in Texas than coal powered plants, and growing.

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Batteries (energy storage) have a very short and finite output capacity and have zero capability of being charged and recharged without an outside power plant supplying the electrical energy...

mjschiller said:

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OP - you and Biden would make a good team. Not sure in what.

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2-man luge.

Solar/wind aren't base load, and they're not supposed to be. They do generally have complimentary production profiles in TX (nuances of W. Tx wind and coastal profiles aside) so adding some battery storage with a 2 hour discharge duration to smooth the transitions tends to work well.

I'm perfectly fine with using different generation technologies, but base load is necessary. Nat gas makes a lot of sense for that.

I don't care about the government incentive debate anymore, because both parties pick their winners and losers in various industries when they get in power. Don't see that changing any time soon especially with the data center demand.

Outside some fringe events, the Texas power grid operates fine and consumer prices are on the lower end of the spectrum nationwide. We do need more generation though regardless of how bearish or bullish you are regarding load growth predictions so I'll take any of it. Data centers load can and should always be curbed during scarcity events so that factors in too

Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

shiftyandquick said:

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Except that Trump ran on decreasing government regulation.

But in this case he arbitrarily increased it.

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Can you document both of those claims?

Ag with kids said:

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GAC06 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Does a pile of coal go bad? Seems like it would always retain its energy until burned.

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Energy storage (batteries) have more output capacity in Texas than coal powered plants, and growing.

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Batteries (energy storage) have a very short and finite output capacity and have zero capability of being charged and recharged without an outside power plant supplying the electrical energy...

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Tesla
In neutral
brakes applied
on a conveyor


YWIA

GAC06 said:

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Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

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You're welcome for not understanding my comment...

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Ag with kids said:

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GAC06 said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Does a pile of coal go bad? Seems like it would always retain its energy until burned.

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Energy storage (batteries) have more output capacity in Texas than coal powered plants, and growing.

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Batteries (energy storage) have a very short and finite output capacity and have zero capability of being charged and recharged without an outside power plant supplying the electrical energy...

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Tesla
In neutral
brakes applied
on a conveyor


YWIA

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If it's on a conveyor, though...

Can it move?

I understood it fine, it was just about as pointless as me telling you I had eggs for breakfast.

A leftist complaining about electricity prices because of government policies.

The lack of self awareness among some people never ceases to amaze me.

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I understood it fine, it was just about as pointless as me telling you I had eggs for breakfast.

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And yet you didn't understand what I was saying.

But, have fun eating your eggs...

Damn....

Pilots are arrogant *******s...

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Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

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You're the one claiming they "produce" more energy than coal.

BTKAG97 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

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You're the one claiming they "produce" more energy than coal.

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Weird you'd put quotations around produce as though I said that, when I didn't.

Batteries are a 2 hour cushion, that's it. They provide some "give" to load management, that aren't increased capacity.

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Why would anyone be in favor of blocking any power projects whether it's wind, solar, coal or nuclear? Let the markets decide. Any admin that can fast track actual nuclear projects will jump start the American economic engine again.

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Where were these rubber stamped projects approved is one issue. There is a whole lot of geographic space that is not conducive for either solar or wind. That's why Europe is in an energy shambles right now, especially Germany, because they went all-in on both of these renewables neither of which are suited for their spot on the map.

I'm guessing that happened here as well. We have some great spots for both types in the US but even with that they are best as a supplement and should never, ever be used as mainline, base energy. F'ing moronic to do that considering their unreliability, negative economic return, and extremely negative environmental impact.

There is literally no need for either of them at all outside of personal property use when we have options like nuclear. If we lean into nuclear, I would love to see the dismantling of large scale solar and wind simply to cut costs and to improve the environment.

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Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

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Ding Ding... We have the stupidest statement on F16 for this year.

shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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I don't seem to recall you, or any of your previous socks, bashing the $$$ lost to Solyndra when that POS obama backed a 535 million dollar loan when Solyndra only paid back around 7.5 million.

Want to know where I, and many other conservatives stand on the issue of energy? We'd like the Fed to get out of the way and let more nuclear plants be built.

Windmills don't work when the wind isn't blowing or when they are iced over and can't move. For every private landowner that agrees to windmills how many are impacted by transmission lines being put on their property via eminent domain?


Solar doesn't work at night or during bad weather days. Don't forget impact it has on the Sage Grouse

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John Dutton: And what effect you think 7000 acres of solar panels are going to have on their environment?
Stanley: There's no evidence that solar panels would have any impact on the sage grouse
John Dutton: What do they do with the sagebrush when they put in the solar panels?
Stanley: They, they, they would clear it before putting in the solar panels.
John Dutton: And remove the sagebrush?
Stanley: Yes sir.
John Dutton: Sage Grouse live in the sagebrush.
Stanley: They do.
John Dutton: And you don't think removing the sagebrush is gonna have an effect on the population?
Stanley: I just said there's no evidence...
John Dutton: You know what scares me about you, Stanley? You're serious.

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I just saw the mini nuclear reactor that was traveling some place on an air force cargo plane... I'll take that over an ugly a** windfarm anyday.

GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Because 75% of Texas electrical needs come from wind and solar is not an argument for its use.False argument.

BTKAG97 said:

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One can argue Texas' current energy problems exist because of the push for solar and wind.

Though wasn't the "Texas Freeze" blackout mostly due to frozen natural gas lines?

• I believe the natural gas gas problems were due to not properly winterizing monitoring systems at natural gas generation plants.
• Natural gas freezes at -160F

Regardless, the move AWAY from coal and nuclear will continue to be a detriment to continued reliable energy generation in Texas.

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During the big freeze;
The solar energy wasn't producing much because of cloud cover.
Wind generators failed state wide because they weren't winterized.

Bigest problem was the member of the ERCOT board who lived out of state and one lived in Europe(Denmark?).

Without taxpayer subsidence both solar and wind as power sources currently don't work, maybe in the future, who knows.

I could be wrong feel free to correct me.

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GAC06 said:

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Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

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You're the one claiming they "produce" more energy than coal.

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Weird you'd put quotations around produce as though I said that, when I didn't.

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You used the term "output capacity" which is an irrelevant argument. BESS wouldn't exist on the Texas grid if not for the inefficiencies of both wind and solar.

And what due you do with the waste product after the current 10-15 year life expectancy of the batteries?

You could just admit you made it up

BTKAG97 said:

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GAC06 said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Thanks for letting me know batteries need to be charged

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You're the one claiming they "produce" more energy than coal.

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Weird you'd put quotations around produce as though I said that, when I didn't.

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You used the term "output capacity" which is an irrelevant argument. BESS wouldn't exist on the Texas grid if not for the inefficiencies of both wind and solar.

And what due you do with the waste product after the current 10-15 year life expectancy of the batteries?

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I wouldn't waste your time explaining this to certain posters, this poster thinks renewables produce more energy in Texas than natural gas. lol

Prime example of making stuff up

Not one ****ing dime of tax money should be spent building unreliable power for our grid.

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One
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I get wheels got his wind award and tons of special interest money, but it's dumb.
1. We don't have the land
2. We don't have the money
3. We NEED power, not political contributions

The fact that Abbott has endorsed Sheets and called Miller an utter failure about a week after he announced agriculture free zones that would stop his donors from getting more free money to build garbage tells you all you need to know about Sheets.

Miller worked with Trump to get things done to help rural/farm communities. If Abbott wants power plants, build a 1,000 MW gas plant that takes about 1/5th the space per KW built. Encourage actual reliable power.

Great post and fully agree

shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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How much does a post like this earn you?

This is the Jackalope project that has been delayed by Trump:



They have spent $729 million working towards building 213 wind turbines to be operational in June of 2027. There isn't one in place. Unless they are all sitting somewhere waiting to be constructed, there was no way they were going to meet their target and I have no idea where all the money went or how much more was needed to complete the project.

FCBlitz said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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How much does a post like this earn you?

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50% of what I get from attending protests.

Right now 45.4% of the Texas grid is being powered by solar.