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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Sunny and windy day with moderate loads. Who would have thunk it...

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon

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1) The apocalypse only endures if AI ends up being commercially viable, which would be another way of saying it's the most welcome of apocalypses. Unless the free market is not allowed to operate.

2) Green energy is great in general but a tough sell in practical terms. Here's a very brief explanation:

3) China has long been expecting the world follow emotions like OP's and surrender to their upfront capital investment and supply chain autarky:

4) An electricity apocalypse is on the way anyway if we expect to be able to relocate supply chains from Asia to North America. (If we don't achieve said relocation we just have to get used to living without the manufactured things we love)

If they need to yes, they use the generators. Thats what they are designed for.......same with the batteries.

Y'all do realize that there are times of the year Texas can run on wind power alone, right?

https://poweralliance.org/2025/03/19/texas-broke-its-solar-wind-and-battery-records-in-one-spring-week/

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One can argue Texas' current energy problems exist because of the push for solar and wind.

Though wasn't the "Texas Freeze" blackout mostly due to frozen natural gas lines?

Regardless, the move AWAY from coal and nuclear will continue to be a detriment to continued reliable energy generation in Texas.

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LOL, I remember discussing this with someone. I brought up the fact that wind and solar produced exactly 0.00 kW during that power outage. His response was

Well, it's not wind and solar that caused this because the grid was EXPECTING 0.00 kW.

I **** you not.

That **** made up 25% of our power generation capacity. Put that GOVERNMENT MONEY into reliable power and we would have been good. Instead, we froze for days.

Most of the wind farms and solar farms in the panhandle are sending electricity to Dallas. Just because there is a wind turbine next door does not mean they draw power from it

shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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Your OP said it was on federal land (why the feds should own property except for legitimate Constitutional purposes notwithstanding), but now you say it's private land? Which is it?

Ag83 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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Your OP said it was on federal land (why the feds should own property except for legitimate Constitutional purposes notwithstanding), but now you say it's private land? Which is it?

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This is the quote from my very first post (you can go back and check). I can provide additional quotes from the article if you need more context about how the federal govt is stopping projects. For example, you are near a wetland, so requires federal review. Where those approvals would have been previously granted or reviewed, they are now all being blocked from progressing. This is basically the same thing as the EPA thwarting an entire industry, stopping all projects because the president said so.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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shiftyandquick said:

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Ag83 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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Your OP said it was on federal land (why the feds should own property except for legitimate Constitutional purposes notwithstanding), but now you say it's private land? Which is it?

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This is the quote from my very first post (you can go back and check). I can provide additional quotes from the article if you need more context about how the federal govt is stopping projects. For example, you are near a wetland, so requires federal review. Where those approvals would have been previously granted or reviewed, they are now all being blocked from progressing. This is basically the same thing as the EPA thwarting an entire industry, stopping all projects because the president said so.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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Welcome to the Oil and Gas Industry under Obama and Biden...

always stepping on rakes.

shiftyandquick said:

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Ag83 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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Your OP said it was on federal land (why the feds should own property except for legitimate Constitutional purposes notwithstanding), but now you say it's private land? Which is it?

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This is the quote from my very first post (you can go back and check). I can provide additional quotes from the article if you need more context about how the federal govt is stopping projects. For example, you are near a wetland, so requires federal review. Where those approvals would have been previously granted or reviewed, they are now all being blocked from progressing. This is basically the same thing as the EPA thwarting an entire industry, stopping all projects because the president said so.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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Are you aware of the impact these wind and solar projects are having on migratory birds and bats? It is not trivial and the previous administration was deliberately turning a blind eye to it in their rubber stamping reviews. Looking harder at the environmental impacts and stopping projects that did not have an overriding need to happen that outweighed the potential environmental damage is a good thing. Wasting millions of dollars of public funds to subsidize development of projects that will undoubtedly kill hundreds or thousands of birds and bats each year is a terrible use of taxpayer dollars and Trump is right to have the projects more heavily scrutinized.

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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Don't those "private energy projects on private land" depend heavily on taxpayer subsidies and tax incentives to see development, construction and maintenance? So maybe not quite as "private" as you and the NYT propaganda mill are representing? So maybe you're not really helping regular people see the truth...

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always stepping on rakes.

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shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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It's odd that when Obama and Biden were blocking coal, oil and natgas power generation, you were nowhere to be found on this board.

Why is that?

Hoyt Ag said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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And to add onto this, Trump (Administration) has signed off on multiple new fossil fuel power plants.

So, all around, you **** the bed completely on this gotcha, as usual. dullandslow strikes again.

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The Trump DOE has also forced the extension of life for many coal units, I personally know the plant managers of 4 of them. I am just waiting for the letter of life extension for my plant (Wishful thinking). If the DOE was smart, they would expedite the gas conversion permits/red tape of many of the idle/soon to close coal plants. Wanna create a ton of jobs and have a stable grid? Do that. Today.

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Gas conversion for these plants is the answer. We have an amazing amount of natural gas reserves just waiting for the demand to extract them - and it is the cleanest fossil fuel option by far

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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Don't those "private energy projects on private land" depend heavily on taxpayer subsidies and tax incentives to see development, construction and maintenance? So maybe not quite as "private" as you and the NYT propaganda mill are representing? So maybe you're not really helping regular people see the truth...

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The issue here is not incentives. The issue is using federal regulations/approvals to shut down all wind and solar projects that are PRIVATELY FUNDED on PRIVATE LAND.

For all of you armchair grid operators (both right and left). Take a gander at how much ERCOt is paying nat gas generators to burn gas and keep their equipment warmed up to increase capacity at a moments notice so the grid can stay up if/when solar and wind vary by more than the models predicted. They get paid for this every day even if they aren't ever used or called on.

Look for spinning reserve, supplemental reserve and reserve reserve prices.

shiftyandquick said:

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Bulldog73 said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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Don't those "private energy projects on private land" depend heavily on taxpayer subsidies and tax incentives to see development, construction and maintenance? So maybe not quite as "private" as you and the NYT propaganda mill are representing? So maybe you're not really helping regular people see the truth...

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The issue here is not incentives. The issue is using federal regulations/approvals to shut down all wind and solar projects that are PRIVATELY FUNDED on PRIVATE LAND.

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The issue is GOVERNMENT MONEY, not PRIVATELY FUNDED.

Wind and solar plants are built with taxpayer money. Some thru incintives. It's GOVERNMENT money.

One fourth (i.e. 25%) of all electricity in Texas CURRENTLY comes from wind.

Just think about shutting all of that down everywhere across the country.

https://www.eia.gov/states/TX/analysis

shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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Because those "private" projects are still receiving government subsidies...

shiftyandquick said:

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One fourth (i.e. 25%) of all electricity in Texas CURRENTLY comes from wind.

Just think about shutting all of that down everywhere across the country.

https://www.eia.gov/states/TX/analysis

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That is not the win you think it is.

Without massive subsidies, those wind turbines would never have been built. It is also why the "cost" of electricity from them is cheaper. Instead of paying for the electricity we use, we are subsidizing everyone else by having tax dollars going to these boondoggle projects. Also, wind turbines have a rather short lifespan before having to be completely replaced.

You lost this one (like always) so call it a day.

shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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That's because they're inefficient, require subsidies to compete with natgas, and are more expensive that natgas...

We understand that you want to piss away money since you're a liberal, but we don't...

JB!98 said:

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GAC06 said:

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samurai_science said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.
The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Show us the numbers during a 3 day freeze

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If you're actually interested, this describes it pretty well

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2026/02/09/energy-experts-say-battery-storage-helped-texas-grid-during-january-freeze-

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They are saving our butts during the summer when the wind isn't blowing, and the sun is either setting or going down. Datacenters will only make this worse as they are on all the time thus increasing the need for base load resources. Most if not all hyperscale data centers would utilize SMR's and island themselves from the grid if there was a timely path to power.

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They're actually restarting one of the Three Mile Island reactors to provide power to a Microsoft datacenter....

shiftyandquick said:

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One fourth (i.e. 25%) of all electricity in Texas CURRENTLY comes from wind.

Just think about shutting all of that down everywhere across the country.

https://www.eia.gov/states/TX/analysis

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Your apples to apples would be shutting down all of the wind power NOT YET generating. The result is zero loss to the grid. HTH
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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just sremember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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OP- you must know very little then about all the small package Nuclear plants about to be built.. they will destroy the value of any wind farms. Its about to take off too, my brothers engineering company is turning down work to build these nuclear packaged plants, that department within their company is already over loaded with that work. Another buddy at Zachry is working on these package plants as well. This will dwarf the unreliable and wasteful wind farms that are eye sores

Learn energy son- the lefts windfarms and worthless solar farms will be relics soon. Also bring back coal, Obama ruined that for the entire country as well, another leftist abomination that hurts everyday Americans

Ag with kids said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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That's because they're inefficient, require subsidies to compete with natgas, and are more expensive that natgas...

We understand that you want to piss away money since you're a liberal, but we don't...

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Subsidies has nothing to do with it.

The debate is not about shutting down subsidies and incentives. The debate is about the government using its regulatory oversight power to shut down all wind and solar projects that it can in the country.

It's mind-boggling government overreach, and corrupt at its core, because its purpose is to support the coal industry. This is political machine stuff.

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One of the aspects of this Forum (and texags in general) is that there is no need to worry about getting ratio-ed out of existence, due to posting silliness like the OP did.

Also, it's not quite lunchtime, but thanks to the OP, I'm chock full of liberal tears for the day!!

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True...

The site for your school that is surly lives up to its name...

I got kicked into purgatory there (literally) because several posters went hog wild negging every single post I ever did...

I don't visit much anymore because of that...

Maybe Trump doesn't want all the dead eagles and birds that wind generators kill.

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shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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OP- you must know very little then about all the small package Nuclear plants about to be built.. they will destroy the value of any wind farms. Its about to take off too, my brothers engineering company is turning down work to build these nuclear packaged plants, that department within their company is already over loaded with that work. Another buddy at Zachry is working on these package plants as well. This will dwarf the unreliable and wasteful wind farms that are eye sores

Learn energy son- the lefts windfarms and worthless solar farms will be relics soon. Also bring back coal, Obama ruined that for the entire country as well, another leftist abomination that hurts everyday Americans

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Those packaged plants, that's different than Zachary's attempt at Golden Pass, correct?

shiftyandquick said:

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Ag with kids said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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That's because they're inefficient, require subsidies to compete with natgas, and are more expensive that natgas...

We understand that you want to piss away money since you're a liberal, but we don't...

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Subsidies has nothing to do with it.

The debate is not about shutting down subsidies and incentives. The debate is about the government using its regulatory oversight power to shut down all wind and solar projects that it can in the country.

It's mind-boggling government overreach, and corrupt at its core, because its purpose is to support the coal industry. This is political machine stuff.

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Where were you when Obama and Biden Administrations went after fossil fuels in support of green energy? Did you have the same frustration then?

shiftyandquick said:

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Ag with kids said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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That's because they're inefficient, require subsidies to compete with natgas, and are more expensive that natgas...

We understand that you want to piss away money since you're a liberal, but we don't...

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Subsidies has nothing to do with it.

The debate is not about shutting down subsidies and incentives. The debate is about the government using its regulatory oversight power to shut down all wind and solar projects that it can in the country.

It's mind-boggling government overreach, and corrupt at its core, because its purpose is to support the coal industry. This is political machine stuff.

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No it's not overreach, it just realizing that technology is just not efficient enough to keep dumping money into. Libs can't understand that because it goes against their agenda.

I dont have all the details on Zachrys plans for all of that business, I just know one of my friend works for them and told me bits and pieces, I dont know much about them, but I know more from my brothers company who I wont name on here.

Hoyt Ag said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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How exactly is he 'picking coal'? The coal power plant that I am in charge of, is slated to close Dec 31 2028 and if the rope smoking governor of Colorado had his way, we would shut down today. Trump has done nothing to change the future of my facility and dozens like it across the nation So please, tell me how he is picking coal.

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Hello 911? I'd like to report a murder...

shiftyandquick said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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That's because they're inefficient, require subsidies to compete with natgas, and are more expensive that natgas...

We understand that you want to piss away money since you're a liberal, but we don't...

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Subsidies has nothing to do with it.

The debate is not about shutting down subsidies and incentives. The debate is about the government using its regulatory oversight power to shut down all wind and solar projects that it can in the country.

It's mind-boggling government overreach, and corrupt at its core, because its purpose is to support the coal industry. This is political machine stuff.

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When you prove that is what's happening, you should create a thread at that time to discuss.

We can't see your article (I flagged it), not surprising. I've found numerous other sources stating that some things are being delayed because of national security concerns, etc... which is in the exec branch domain. A delay is not a shut down and national security is a thing. HTH.