GAC06 said:

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samurai_science said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.
The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Show us the numbers during a 3 day freeze

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If you're actually interested, this describes it pretty well

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2026/02/09/energy-experts-say-battery-storage-helped-texas-grid-during-january-freeze-

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They are saving our butts during the summer when the wind isn't blowing, and the sun is either setting or going down. Datacenters will only make this worse as they are on all the time thus increasing the need for base load resources. Most if not all hyperscale data centers would utilize SMR's and island themselves from the grid if there was a timely path to power.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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You may be big government, but you're no conservative. You and I should be all for all the nuclear power the continent can house. I am.

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I support nuclear. I also support wind/solar. It's not either/or.

It should be. Private citizens can put up wind and solar on their own properties. It is not a viable solution on a mass scale and it's an eyesore.

Nat Gas is king in Texas sets the pricing in Ercot as well...lots of misinformation here.

You want to bag on Trump for anything power related OP, bag on him and the entire federal government for their absolutely stupid management of the nuclear industry.

Outside of that your post is single digit IQ dumb.

shiftyandquick said:

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Just helping other people read this to understand that MAGA is very happy to block private energy projects on private land and seeks to destroy the solar and wind energy industries. Literally destroy if they can, anyway possible.

I don't intend to convince anyone in MAGA. I'm helping regular people see the truth.

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username checks out...

GAC06 said:

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samurai_science said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.
The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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You're mostly right about the need for gas/nuclear/coal but things are changing somewhat with power storage. Right now 75% of electricity in Texas is being generated by wind and solar. Storage has more capacity than coal.

https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards

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Show us the numbers during a 3 day freeze

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If you're actually interested, this describes it pretty well

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2026/02/09/energy-experts-say-battery-storage-helped-texas-grid-during-january-freeze-

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The wind and solar was at ZERO at one point….they are useless. The numbers are easy to understand

Why would anyone be in favor of blocking any power projects whether it's wind, solar, coal or nuclear? Let the markets decide. Any admin that can fast track actual nuclear projects will jump start the American economic engine again.

As always this is a more nuanced topic than a single article can articulate.

The main near term issue is that the interconnection queue process takes 3-5+ years, and most of those queues are 95% wind and solar. The administration doesn't really have the ability to modify those processes in any meaningful way. Given those constraints, near term generation capacity must be majority renewables, but the administration is actively working against that by refusing to act on permits/consultation/etc.

Subsidies will be completely gone in 2030. Then we'll see if these industries can survive on their own

jt16 said:

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Why would anyone be in favor of blocking any power projects whether it's wind, solar, coal or nuclear? Let the markets decide. Any admin that can fast track actual nuclear projects will jump start the American economic engine again.

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If I had a neighbor that was wanting to put up a bunch of windmills on his land, odds are I'd lobby to block it too because it affects me. The only redeeming quality about windmills is that the land can still be used for grazing or farming to a degree.

Same with solar, except when stupid solar farms are installed the land is useless outside of the solar panels. And the weeds have to be maintained so the solar producers spray a crap ton of herbicides to keep the ground clear. Which always runs off because it's just about always over applied or applied when it its too windy or about to rain, etc.

Both will devalue the land around them.

shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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Why don't you get your Democrat friends to STOP restricting the construction of new needed reliable energy producing facilities of all kinds (nuclear, gas, coal, etc) instead of trying to switch us to unreliable and more expense sources like wind and solar? And when they are built, your ilk wants to slap all kinds of ridiculous taxes and unnecessary regulatory red tape which further drives up the price of energy.

Until you openly declare your support for expansion of at least nuclear power plants I am not interested in your spewage and concern trolling on this subject.

Yep. Wind power and solar has only survived due to government subsidies. Especially wind power. They are so inefficient in reality that they are more costly in the long run.
Good Trump for stopping the waste of tax dollars to pay for failures.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Reading the article, it appears that DOE, under Biden, was rubber-stamping wind and solar farms

Under Trump, the farms actually have to get permits to protect wetlands, wildlife, and water.

You would think leftists would applaud slowing down projects a little bit, in order to protect the environment

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Leftists and thinking do not go hand-in-hand.

One of the aspects of this Forum (and texags in general) is that there is no need to worry about getting ratio-ed out of existence, due to posting silliness like the OP did.

Also, it's not quite lunchtime, but thanks to the OP, I'm chock full of liberal tears for the day!!

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Yep. Wind power and solar has only survived due to government subsidies. Especially wind power. They are so inefficient in reality that they are more costly in the long run.
Good Trump for stopping the waste of tax dollars to pay for failures.

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This is exactly right. He didn't kill projects that were under construction in the literal sense of the word. He killed the gravy train on projects that were years out from breaking ground.

I want the US to be energy independent but these boondoggles have nothing to do with actually getting there. They want government funds to pay for all the front in planning, construction which produces lots of profit, and just maybe there might be a little power to sell. It is madness.

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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And to add onto this, Trump (Administration) has signed off on multiple new fossil fuel power plants.

So, all around, you **** the bed completely on this gotcha, as usual. dullandslow strikes again.

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The Trump DOE has also forced the extension of life for many coal units, I personally know the plant managers of 4 of them. I am just waiting for the letter of life extension for my plant (Wishful thinking). If the DOE was smart, they would expedite the gas conversion permits/red tape of many of the idle/soon to close coal plants. Wanna create a ton of jobs and have a stable grid? Do that. Today.

Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Another shank by shanked punts sock.

OP, live up to your name and quickly shift, and enjoy the ride to great again.

Owlagdad said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Another shank by shanked punts sock.

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oh this explains why the OP is a moron

shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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How exactly is he 'picking coal'? The coal power plant that I am in charge of, is slated to close Dec 31 2028 and if the rope smoking governor of Colorado had his way, we would shut down today. Trump has done nothing to change the future of my facility and dozens like it across the nation So please, tell me how he is picking coal.

Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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This is absolutely incorrect (for a least one datacenter I am aware of)

Last week I was onsite of a datacenter build (approximately 500,000 SF building) in the very definition of the middle of nowhere about an hour north of Abilene.

The datacenter is adjacent to an industrial scale solar farm with 2MW windmills dotting the horizon.


When SkyNet becomes self aware, this is the site John Conner and crew will have to take down.......

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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This is absolutely incorrect (for a least one datacenter I am aware of)

Last week I was onsite of a datacenter build (approximately 500,000 SF building) in the very definition of the middle of nowhere about an hour north of Abilene.

The datacenter is adjacent to an industrial scale solar farm with 2MW windmills dotting the horizon.


When SkyNet becomes self aware, this is the site John Conner and crew will have to take down.......

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And when the wind doesn't blow, the datacenter draws power from other sources.

And this thread isn't about AI and all the doomsday scenarios you love to post about, so don't derail.

Trump was Don Quixote in a former life.

Dude hates windmills.

Truth is, Scotland put them in near his golf course and that's why he hates them. He is a petty human being.

shiftyandquick said:

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from hundreds of wind and solar projects already in progress.

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More than 60 large wind and solar farms under development on federal lands, such as Jackalope Wind, are being stymied. But the administration is also holding up hundreds of wind and solar projects on private land that require federal consultations. Many projects are facing potentially fatal delays, according to interviews with more than a dozen energy companies, industry groups and analysts.

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The electricity apocalypse because of AI is arriving soon. We need all the power we can get. But Trump is blocking this kind of power generation because he has it in his mind that he gets to pick the winners and losers. And he is picking coal.

So when you are gaping at your power bill. And the democrats control the house/Senate/White House, just remember that was one of the reasons.

Instead of unleashing American ingenuity, Trump is holding it back.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/04/climate/wind-solar-projects.html

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im sure that includes the wind generators that Ercot is burning natural gas to keep them turning? - you are at least consistent with following the leftist talking points but prove continually you incapable of your own thought. Funny how all the wind/ solar proponents like Bill Gates pivoted immediately to fossil fuel plans to power their AI dreams.

jt16 said:

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Why would anyone be in favor of blocking any power projects whether it's wind, solar, coal or nuclear? Let the markets decide. Any admin that can fast track actual nuclear projects will jump start the American economic engine again.

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Because "renewable" generation requires both elaborate support infrastructure as well as replacement generation.

"$ per MW" gets thrown around because it makes green look superior, but it's an incomplete analysis which ignores the fact that intermittent MWs in Odessa aren't of the same consumer value as on-demand MWs in Baytown.

Wind and solar **** is practically useless, expensive and just completely stupid. Those windmills that they have littered half of Europe with are just gross unsightly and ridiculous. They're not doing as much as think they are. They cost more to produce and put up than they ever get back.

Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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My first thought when I see a thread started by the OP is "How far off will this one be".

shiftyandquick said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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Big Government "conservatism". You have not answered why the government is blocking private projects from private companies on private land.

There aren't many actual conservatives left.

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I wonder just how much government money will be required for all these private projects from private companies on private land will be.

Yep. As usual….well said Annie.

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Another big swing and a miss by you.

Wind and Solar are not reliable base load power generation.

The only reliable sources to power data centers running 24/7 are either fossil fuels or nuclear.

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This is absolutely incorrect (for a least one datacenter I am aware of)

Last week I was onsite of a datacenter build (approximately 500,000 SF building) in the very definition of the middle of nowhere about an hour north of Abilene.

The datacenter is adjacent to an industrial scale solar farm with 2MW windmills dotting the horizon.


When SkyNet becomes self aware, this is the site John Conner and crew will have to take down.......

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So when the wind doesn't blow at night, what are they going to power the data center with?

Do you think they will have generators onsite? All the data centers I've walked over the years (even the small ones) all have at least eight 200KW backup generators plus a bunch of 20,000 gallon diesel USTs to make sure they can operate at 100% capacity for days without interruption.

If your experience is different, I'd love to learn more.

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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Do you think they will have generators onsite? All the data centers I've walked over the years (even the small ones) all have at least eight 200KW backup generators plus a bunch of 20,000 gallon diesel USTs to make sure they can operate at 100% capacity for days without interruption.

If your experience is different, I'd love to learn more.

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Are you saying that these datacenters are going to use their backup generation to fill the gap? You do understand that those generators are permitted to only run a certain number of hours per year based on attainment or non-attainment status.

I can assure you they are not using 200KW gen sets or even 1.5MW gen sets for base load power. They are pulling that from the grid and at night is it is mainly natural gas, coal, and nuclear.