txaggie_08 said:

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We had a secret base in Iran? I remember hearing about Israel having one in Iraq, but wasn't aware of ours.

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Probably referring to the temp base we built to rescue the downed fighter pilot from a month or two ago.

txaggie_08 said:

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We had a secret base in Iran? I remember hearing about Israel having one in Iraq, but wasn't aware of ours.

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Perhaps that's why it's called a secret base?

Dirt 05 said:

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Isn't brine pumped into the storage caverns to displace the crude? Damaging the formation doesn't make sense.

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They currently pump brine in. Sandia has modeled the 60+ caverns and the DOE (owners of caverns) have an idea about what they can and can't do to each cavern with regards to stressing the formation.

There are concerns that cycling oil and brine in and out for market management will prematurely degrade the caverns.

Also, there is some realistic floor at which the SPR needs to keep spare capacity. Where the engineering floor is and management floor is are probably different. I would guess somewhere in the 200,000,000's is where various groups (military planners and reservoir engineers) start sounding the alarm about the drawdown rate. 300,000,000 is the number I've heard thrown around as, 'We are low, what would you like to do given this information.'

I have never served in the military and no zilch about military strategy or tactics, but it seems to me that perhaps part of the avoidance of the rush back to bombing, etc., is that we are waiting for some sort of regime change or maybe more likely, the replenishment of certain weapons. Or maybe we are waiting on intelligence on the nuclear materials? It is very unlike Trump to look weak or uncertain.

Knew it

chilimuybueno said:

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I have never served in the military and no zilch about military strategy or tactics, but it seems to me that perhaps part of the avoidance of the rush back to bombing, etc., is that we are waiting for some sort of regime change or maybe more likely, the replenishment of certain weapons. Or maybe we are waiting on intelligence on the nuclear materials? It is very unlike Trump to look weak or uncertain.

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Nope

it's because the Stock Market was at all time highs and there is a Congressional midterm election in 5 months with oil at $95 a barrel

supposedly half an hour ago in Teheran

President Trump has posted that 100 Million barrels of oil are making its way through the Strait.

This appears to be what is happening.

⚓️President Trump and @CENTCOM announced Project Freedom to escort ships through the Strait. The US evacuated two US ships but then curtailed… pic.twitter.com/HAn8BqtZUb

— Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) 🚢⚓🐪🚒🏴‍☠️ (@mercoglianos) June 10, 2026

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chilimuybueno said:

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I have never served in the military and no zilch about military strategy or tactics, but it seems to me that perhaps part of the avoidance of the rush back to bombing, etc., is that we are waiting for some sort of regime change or maybe more likely, the replenishment of certain weapons. Or maybe we are waiting on intelligence on the nuclear materials? It is very unlike Trump to look weak or uncertain.

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Nope

it's because the Stock Market was at all time highs and there is a Congressional midterm election in 5 months with oil at $95 a barrel

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Got a link?

LMCane said:

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supposedly half an hour ago in Teheran

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Perhaps related to this? Casualties reported in large fire burning at Qiyam square in Tehran, Iran

🇺🇸🇮🇷 The U.S B-52 bomber that took off from Sicily earlier is now over Saudi, and about an hour away from Iran

Trump warned earlier that the U.S was going to bomb Iran again and that it's going to be a "long night."

Source: Geopolitics Watch (Telegram) / Writer: Ian https://t.co/IDeIxpPRmo pic.twitter.com/Mw91Uf6Z6J

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) June 10, 2026

Ag with kids said:

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Probably unrelated, but I just watched CVN-71 Theodore Roosevelt leave the San Diego harbor...

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Also just a complete coincidence, I'm sure, but CVN-70 Carl Vinson is also on its way out...

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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So they shot down a drone last week and chopper this week. I was never for this war and want it to end but Trump cant continue to make us look weak. Seems like they have made some serious upgrade on air defense systems.

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Based on knocking down a helicopter and drone? Probably the only two flights we dared make over Iran and they got BOTH of them. 100% kill rate. Most awesome Iran?

Exactly how did you arrive at us looking "weak" because we don't drop a nuke when a toy is broken.

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Keeping it war related for mods. When you have to use drone boats because you don't want to get other aircraft knocked out of the sky thats not what winning looks like. I want us to win but wanting and doing its is 2 different things. Iran is dictating conditions because they are knocking our planes out of the sky and we cant transition the strait. Thats not what winning looks like.

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Remember the lesson from the film Saving Private Ryan - is one man's (in this case, two men's lives) worth the lives of several others? Yeah, we could send in live assets to recover those airmen, but with all the live fire still going on, it's likely that we lose additional personnel. Trump is not making us look weak in recovering our guys by using drone boats here.

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If they control that much of the strait when we have the worlds best everything we do look weak. All our technogy firepower we spend hundreds of billions on and we can't control a area that small it doesn't make us look strong. I would think we could put a end to that live fire pretty quickly. Since we have already won and they have no army navy or air force we should be able to control everything especially international waters.

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Its not about the small island, is the fact there are hundreds of miles of coastline that only require 3 dudes and weekend trip to bass pro shop to rig up something that will shut down the straight.

And that requires boots on ground to solve.

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Now, take out the bridges, fuel depots, and electrical power, and see how the dudes do.

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Right, I agree. Its just an escalation that you can't easily extract yourself from. There seems to be a view that the current situation we can easily extract ourselves from but taking out that infrastructure and widening the scope of war is a bridge too far.

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There would not be anything to have to extract from

BREAKING: President Trump is holding a White House Situation Room to discuss additional possible strikes on Iran, per Axios.

Two American sources reportedly claim that President Trump is considering a large-scale but short-term operation which is aimed at pressuring Iran in…

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 10, 2026

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BREAKING: President Trump is holding a White House Situation Room to discuss additional possible strikes on Iran, per Axios.

Two American sources reportedly claim that President Trump is considering a large-scale but short-term operation which is aimed at pressuring Iran in negotiations.

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Iranian state media says air defenses activated in Mohr area of Fars Province, Iran

Jock 07 said:

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Iranian state media says air defenses activated in Mohr area of Fars Province, Iran

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"Air defense activated" -IRGC

"Air defense deactivated" -America

This should be called the Groundhog Day war

will25u said:

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🇺🇸🇮🇷 The U.S B-52 bomber that took off from Sicily earlier is now over Saudi, and about an hour away from Iran

Trump warned earlier that the U.S was going to bomb Iran again and that it's going to be a "long night."

Source: Geopolitics Watch (Telegram) / Writer: Ian https://t.co/IDeIxpPRmo pic.twitter.com/Mw91Uf6Z6J

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) June 10, 2026

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How would this dude even know? Kind of disconcerting that a random poster on X can follow B-52 transponder signals.

This appears to be what is happening.

President Trump and
@CENTCOM
announced Project Freedom to escort ships through the Strait. The US evacuated two US ships but then curtailed the operation.
It appears that the US resumed the operation using autonomous vehicles, aircraft and drones to escort ships through the southern part of the Strait, near the coast of Oman.
Iran has responded with targeting of some ships, these include HMM Namu and CMA CGM San Antonio. The US has responded with airstrikes against Iran.
What has transpired is tankers, including Very Large Crude Carriers are exiting the Persian Gulf. Then, per
@TankerTrackers
, the VLCCs are conducting ship-to-ship (STS) transfers to other tankers in the Gulf of Oman.
The empty tankers, which ran the Strait with their AIS, run back through the Strait to pick up a new load of oil from the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar or Iraq.
The Apache helicopter that recently crashed was probably a part of this operation.
This explains why we have not seen an appreciable drop in the number of ships stuck in the Persian Gulf. By running the same ships, war risk insurance, potentially provided by the US through the Development Finance Corporation (DFC) through a pool of approximately of $40 billion, could be covering these ships making the transits.
This would also explain the recent announcement by Kuwait to fix new contracts for its oil.
The question is how long is this sustainable and at what level is oil moving daily. With current pipelines through Saudi Arabia and the UAE, this system would need to move approximately 12-14M barrels/day through the Strait.

If this is accurate, it would explain a lot about Trump's willingness to let this drag out.

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Dirt 05 said:

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Isn't brine pumped into the storage caverns to displace the crude? Damaging the formation doesn't make sense.

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They currently pump brine in. Sandia has modeled the 60+ caverns and the DOE (owners of caverns) have an idea about what they can and can't do to each cavern with regards to stressing the formation.

There are concerns that cycling oil and brine in and out for market management will prematurely degrade the caverns.

Also, there is some realistic floor at which the SPR needs to keep spare capacity. Where the engineering floor is and management floor is are probably different. I would guess somewhere in the 200,000,000's is where various groups (military planners and reservoir engineers) start sounding the alarm about the drawdown rate. 300,000,000 is the number I've heard thrown around as, 'We are low, what would you like to do given this information.'

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Individual caverns are completely emptied periodically for workovers and integrity tests. There is no structural risk to the cavern to completely empty it and leave it brine filled, assuming the drawdown and backfill are managed correctly. Brine, being more dense than oil, creates less of a hydrostatic/lithostatic differential and puts less stress in the cavern walls. You're right that the pressure cycle from drawing down can create issues, but it just needs to be done at a slow, controlled rate.

Seems like strikes are beginning with naval strikes on Sirik

ETA: now hitting targets all along the SOH

Yup, USCENTCOM says forces began launching additional self-defense strikes against multiple targets in Iran at 1715 today

It's about time….

Have to wonder if the self defense thing is a work around on congress.

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Have to wonder if the self defense thing is a work around on congress.

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I think once Iran responds to these initial "self defense" strikes, it'll open the door,(in the administration's mind), to respond with more broad based and intense strikes. Hopefully, Israel is taking out key terrorists as we write….

JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 President Trump says he directly spoke with Iranian officials and agreed to stop all strikes. pic.twitter.com/sNW6GVriTf

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 10, 2026

Reports of U.S. airstrikes on the city of Garmsar, northern Iran. pic.twitter.com/2NkaUPdQU3

— AMK Mapping 🇳🇿 (@AMK_Mapping_) June 11, 2026

DeepETX_Aggie said:

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JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 President Trump says he directly spoke with Iranian officials and agreed to stop all strikes. pic.twitter.com/sNW6GVriTf

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 10, 2026

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ill believe it when I hear Trump say it live.

With as much waffling as Trump has done, I'm not sure what to believe anymore

This is my opinion, but I think some of Trump's Communication that seems over the top is purposeful. We're not dealing with reasonable people.

If you believe anything you read in a tweet or x post or whatever on social media about this or the Russia/Uke conflict, well I have a bridge in AZ that would be perfect for you.

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DeepETX_Aggie said:

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JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇮🇷 President Trump says he directly spoke with Iranian officials and agreed to stop all strikes. pic.twitter.com/sNW6GVriTf

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) June 10, 2026

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ill believe it when I hear Trump say it live.

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He should have said I'll stop when you open up the strait.

chickencoupe16 said:

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With as much waffling as Trump has done, I'm not sure what to believe anymore

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I don't think Trump spoke with anyone. I think he had a limited strike planned and now has the Iranians running around in circles trying to figure out who made an unauthorized call.

Iran launching Drones at US 5th fleets in Bahrain

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-leads-group-of-22-countries-telling-iran-to-stop-attacks-on-our-soil/

US leads 22 countries in telling Iran to stop attacks on our soil