***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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Street Fighter
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P.U.T.U said:

UK and up to 40 other NATO countries will not help the USA in the blockade, they are fighting to get it back open. Trump warned them after last years attack to find another country for their oil and they refused. If this draws on long enough there will be a lot of EU countries fighting against American decisions.

The UK apparently has no ships that are sea worthy to help in the first place.
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2026NCAggies said:

Sounds like Iran is already calling to negotiate more

I cannot stand that Trump is wanting to make a deal with these people.

When we have them on the ropes and they are about to collapse

Just finish the damn job and beat them in to the ground

I'm not convinced he really is trying to negotiate. I think there is a lot of gamesmanship going on here to see how various entities react. Our better friends in the ME seem pretty set on regime change and I am sure Trump is getting this clear message. We have time to watch things unfold before we have to take any other serious action.

I think we are just going to slowly apply pressure until the IRGC cracks and divides. They will become victims of their own decentralized organization.
GAC06
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Street Fighter said:

P.U.T.U said:

UK and up to 40 other NATO countries will not help the USA in the blockade, they are fighting to get it back open. Trump warned them after last years attack to find another country for their oil and they refused. If this draws on long enough there will be a lot of EU countries fighting against American decisions.

The UK apparently has no ships that are sea worthy to help in the first place.


Since Iran has no navy remaining (except small boats and drones) we don't really need destroyers. Stopping tankers is for patrol boats and cutters
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rgag12 said:

Rockdoc said:

P.U.T.U said:

UK and up to 40 other NATO countries will not help the USA in the blockade, they are fighting to get it back open. Trump warned them after last years attack to find another country for their oil and they refused. If this draws on long enough there will be a lot of EU countries fighting against American decisions.

It's open to everyone except Iran and those doing business with Iran.


Yep, for the most part the blockade really only hurts China and India, those who bought the most Iranian crude


China only. China buys 90% of Iranian crude. India stopped about 4 years ago because of US pressure.

See https://www.statista.com/chart/35945/countries-that-buy-oil-from-iran/
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Ferg
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The Fall Guy said:

We are not going to sink commercial ships. We are not the Nazis nor the Iranians.

No, but if we say we will, who is going to insure them?
revvie
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What happens when a Chinese flagged ship runs the blockade.
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We board it and sieze it.

They aren't going to run the blockade.

The last 6 months have been a big eye opener for China and Russia.
GAC06
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Or if they send warships to escort their tankers
SouthTex99
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redline248
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GAC06 said:

Or if they send warships to escort their tankers
They lose some warships
Buglerank62
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I wonder why we did not label it a "quarrantine" like JFK did on Cuba?
OldArmy71
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I believe the reasoning was that a blockade is an act of war, and we weren't at war with Cuba or the USSR and we didn't want to get into one.

We are at war with Iran so it doesn't matter.
Buglerank62
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aggiehawg
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Buglerank62 said:

I wonder why we did not label it a "quarrantine" like JFK did on Cuba?

Cuba is 90 miles off of our coast.
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sts7049 said:

The Fall Guy said:

will25u said:

The Fall Guy said:

javajaws said:

The Fall Guy said:

We are not going to sink commercial ships. We are not the Nazis nor the Iranians.

So we're prepared to board them then? I wonder if someone will see if Trump is bluffing. Or what we might do IF we board one.


We boarded multiple tankers from Venezuela all over the globe.

Practice makes perfect!


If we boarded Russian flagged ships from Venezuela then we will be fine if we have to do it here.


small difference, my understanding is those were stateless vessels or we had an arrest warrant. in this case it's because of war so not the same legal basis. but, in an act of war it can be done and our navy/troops will do the work.

Not to mention just the number of ships. How many ships did we board in Venezuela vs how many Iranian ships (tankers and others) might we have to board? And once we do board them, then what?
JB!98
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redline248 said:

GAC06 said:

Or if they send warships to escort their tankers
They lose some warships


This will never happen. We are not starting WWIII over this. If we do it is stupid and will not serve our purpose.
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lb3
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lb3 said:



China caved, no longer calling the Strait Iran's and calling for free travel for all:
agent-maroon
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OK, Mr. IRGC commander dude - it's your move
MaxPower
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I'm no maritime expert but can China just tell their ships eff it get your ass in there? I get insurance for ships are a concern but if China is will to guarantee compensation then they could effectively be the insurance. What is the likelihood we would strike an unarmed tanker?
Rockdoc
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I suspect we wouldn't strike it but just board the ship and take control. Marines aren't gonna mess around.
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LMCane said:

let's see how long the Chinese allow the Iranians to destroy the PRC economy

This was my post from a week ago. Called it -

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txags92 said:

Most of the ships going through were headed to India or China. Not sure if Iran is charging their allies for transit.


If this is true then we just need to blockade the Straight and force the Chinese to pressure Iran to open it back up to everyone at no charge.

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Rockdoc said:

I suspect we wouldn't strike it but just board the ship and take control. Marines aren't gonna mess around.


From what I understand marines in general aren't interested in messing around, and those dudes in the MEU's deployed to the area are gungest of the ho so certainly not.
solishu
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I double checked the numbers. It really is only about 12% of Chinese oil comes from Iran. It looks like the discount was running around 15% . So if they have to replace that source with the open market that's only going to raise their costs by like 2%. No way they're going to force the issue.

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The Fall Guy
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The Chinese tanker went thru the Strait. It was never turned back.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-sanctioned-chinese-tanker-transited-strait-of-hormuz-despite-american-naval-blockade-shipping-data/
File5
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I read that article and it loaded up on methanol from UAE. Didn't come from Iran. So why would it be turned back?
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Iran is in a world of economic hurt.
ErnestEndeavor
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nortex97
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LOL, our navy's procurement of LCS minesweeping equipment/configuration is a bit of a joke. 'Mistakes were made.'

Zero consistency in the strait is all I see:
will25u
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The Fall Guy said:

The Chinese tanker went thru the Strait. It was never turned back.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-sanctioned-chinese-tanker-transited-strait-of-hormuz-despite-american-naval-blockade-shipping-data/


Fightin_Aggie
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will25u said:

The Fall Guy said:

The Chinese tanker went thru the Strait. It was never turned back.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-sanctioned-chinese-tanker-transited-strait-of-hormuz-despite-american-naval-blockade-shipping-data/





Post said it started in UAE and was bound for China


My understanding was the blockade only kept ships from going to and from Iran
MouthBQ98
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A blockade is pf a nations ports, not a geographic location. Cargo not going in and out of Iran is unaffected by our blockade. That it is testing our blockade is fake news.
agent-maroon
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Quote:

Rich Starry is a medium-range tanker that is carrying about 250,000 barrels of methanol on board,

A missile strike on this cargo would have made for a sizeable boom
lb sand
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The test was that the Iranians did nothing, not that we let it go.
Touchless
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Iran wouldn't hit a Chinese ship. Very low risk in my opinion.
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