infinity ag said:
I have been yelling about it (H1Bs) for months.
You have!?!? Whaaaaaaaa....!?
Is there more to the massive growth of the Indian population in Frisco?
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You have!?!? Whaaaaaaaa....!?
Ag with kids said:LMCane said:
CLEARLY there is some vast organized effort by SOME GROUP to bring in tens of thousands of Indians to Allen and Frisco and Plano Texas.
I mean come on, out of 1 billion Indians how many of them have EVER heard of Frisco, Texas before!??!
and suddenly within a few years there are tens of thousands of them running around
There are tons and tons of tech jobs in DFW, tons and tons of H-1Bs being handed out. Do you think they want to live in Garland, Richardson, or Irving???
the point is that:
how do Indians in India suddenly hear about moving to Frisco and Allen, Texas?!
SOMEONE is recruiting them IN INDIA to come over here.
and yet, not a peep from the news media about how this is actually happening.
CDUB98 said:MouthBQ98 said:
No problem as long as there is assimilation for those seeking permanent residency or citizenship. My concern is the caste system and nepotism are very strongly culturally embedded in most of India and I wonder if that is moving over to enclaves in the USA. It would be viewed as corruption and bigotry here and isn't very compatible with a more traditional American value system.
My experience in my industry has shown that the caste system remains as an undercurrent. It probably is not as front and center since it's engineering and not tech, so fewer Indians overall, but just various comments and interactions over the years.
Now, one guy I worked with, well, he was just an arrogant **** who thought Americans were dumb and complained how Westernized his children were becoming. He was the main contributing factor that caused me to leave that place after only a year.
Were they using the toilet instead of ****ting in the street?
infinity ag said:Colonel Kurtz said:infinity ag said:
On a serious note. If they are legal immigrants, you cannot kick them out. You let them in, legalized them, so they are here to stay.
They can all be kicked out with the stroke of a pen. A piece of paper doesn't make you American.
Are you sure?
I don't think you can kick out a naturalized American citizen. Green cards, I am sure there are clauses for crime etc as they are not citizens yet.
PS: I misspoke above. I meant to say if they are legal immigrants (H1Bs or GC), you can push them out but for valid reasons. Naturalized US Citizens I don't think you can for any reason.
A naturalized citizen can have their citizenship revoked if they do something egregious enough. Trump is trying this angle with Omar lying on her naturalization paperwork.
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2
LMCane said:Ag with kids said:LMCane said:
CLEARLY there is some vast organized effort by SOME GROUP to bring in tens of thousands of Indians to Allen and Frisco and Plano Texas.
I mean come on, out of 1 billion Indians how many of them have EVER heard of Frisco, Texas before!??!
and suddenly within a few years there are tens of thousands of them running around
There are tons and tons of tech jobs in DFW, tons and tons of H-1Bs being handed out. Do you think they want to live in Garland, Richardson, or Irving???
the point is that:
how do Indians in India suddenly hear about moving to Frisco and Allen, Texas?!
SOMEONE is recruiting them IN INDIA to come over here.
and yet, not a peep from the news media about how this is actually happening.
People talk. They have their own internet sources for news and discussions just like you and me. It doesn't have to be some nefarious plot every single time. If most of these people are associated with a handful of employers it makes that even easier as you ask potential/future co-workers where everyone lives, etc.
Yesterday said:
Interesting statistic that just showed up. I cannot verify the validity of this. Richard Ray from Fox 4 posted it.
Are the crazy feminists hijacking the H1B issue to push their "only 72 cents to a dollar" narrative?
javajaws said:LMCane said:Ag with kids said:LMCane said:
CLEARLY there is some vast organized effort by SOME GROUP to bring in tens of thousands of Indians to Allen and Frisco and Plano Texas.
I mean come on, out of 1 billion Indians how many of them have EVER heard of Frisco, Texas before!??!
and suddenly within a few years there are tens of thousands of them running around
There are tons and tons of tech jobs in DFW, tons and tons of H-1Bs being handed out. Do you think they want to live in Garland, Richardson, or Irving???
the point is that:
how do Indians in India suddenly hear about moving to Frisco and Allen, Texas?!
SOMEONE is recruiting them IN INDIA to come over here.
and yet, not a peep from the news media about how this is actually happening.
People talk. They have their own internet sources for news and discussions just like you and me. It doesn't have to be some nefarious plot every single time. If most of these people are associated with a handful of employers it makes that even easier as you ask potential/future co-workers where everyone lives, etc.
They're associated with a handful of contracting companies who have imported them to the US due to kickbacks and under the table bribes in India. That's how they end up here. This isn't organic movement.
https://www.duanemorris.com/alerts/it_firm_found_liable_intentional_discrimination_against_class_terminated_non_indian_1024.html
I can't believe how many Tesla driving Indians there are in Cypress. Luckily for us, the family friends from my daughter's preschool are all Christian conservative and seem to be assimilating very well. But there are a ton in this area who seem like they just caught a plane from Mumbai. And a disproportionate amount of them have "be patient - student driver" stickers on the back of their cars.
txyaloo said:infinity ag said:Colonel Kurtz said:infinity ag said:
On a serious note. If they are legal immigrants, you cannot kick them out. You let them in, legalized them, so they are here to stay.
They can all be kicked out with the stroke of a pen. A piece of paper doesn't make you American.
Are you sure?
I don't think you can kick out a naturalized American citizen. Green cards, I am sure there are clauses for crime etc as they are not citizens yet.
PS: I misspoke above. I meant to say if they are legal immigrants (H1Bs or GC), you can push them out but for valid reasons. Naturalized US Citizens I don't think you can for any reason.
A naturalized citizen can have their citizenship revoked if they do something egregious enough. Trump is trying this angle with Omar lying on her naturalization paperwork.
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2
OK thanks for the info.
It must be something really serious. I am sure there are many naturalized citizens who hire H1B and are part of the scam. I don't think they will be sent back though. Fine, kick out H1Bs and GC holders who scam.
javajaws said:LMCane said:Ag with kids said:LMCane said:
CLEARLY there is some vast organized effort by SOME GROUP to bring in tens of thousands of Indians to Allen and Frisco and Plano Texas.
I mean come on, out of 1 billion Indians how many of them have EVER heard of Frisco, Texas before!??!
and suddenly within a few years there are tens of thousands of them running around
There are tons and tons of tech jobs in DFW, tons and tons of H-1Bs being handed out. Do you think they want to live in Garland, Richardson, or Irving???
the point is that:
how do Indians in India suddenly hear about moving to Frisco and Allen, Texas?!
SOMEONE is recruiting them IN INDIA to come over here.
and yet, not a peep from the news media about how this is actually happening.
People talk. They have their own internet sources for news and discussions just like you and me. It doesn't have to be some nefarious plot every single time. If most of these people are associated with a handful of employers it makes that even easier as you ask potential/future co-workers where everyone lives, etc.
In the early 90s, at my University, there was a large group of Greek Cypriots there. Word of mouth.
I learned how to get slapped by women, in Greek. We taught them, in Espanich. :-)
maverick2076 said:
From what I have seen, the newest Indian immigrants tend to follow previous waves into the same communities. They leverage common language and culture, have restaurants that serve food from home, etc. I watched it in Sugar Land when I lived in Rosenberg, and in Leander when I lived there.
In some ways, it's not a whole lot different from Chinatown or Little Italy, historically. It becomes a problem if the new immigrants don't assimilate to American cultural norms and values. Instead of helping facilitate the transition, those insular communities can make it easier to stay separate from American culture.
Insular communities aren't just limited to foreigners new to America - we have them all over. Sometimes the divide is based on race, sometimes economic status, and other times things like political affiliation, religion (see the thread about the Mormons), and even image.
People LIKE being around other people that share something with them that is important to them. Same reason those people hang out on different social media outlets that align with their thinking.
That's both a good and bad thing, but would take more time than I have to get into the details about today.
Ag with kids said:CDUB98 said:MouthBQ98 said:
No problem as long as there is assimilation for those seeking permanent residency or citizenship. My concern is the caste system and nepotism are very strongly culturally embedded in most of India and I wonder if that is moving over to enclaves in the USA. It would be viewed as corruption and bigotry here and isn't very compatible with a more traditional American value system.
My experience in my industry has shown that the caste system remains as an undercurrent. It probably is not as front and center since it's engineering and not tech, so fewer Indians overall, but just various comments and interactions over the years.
Now, one guy I worked with, well, he was just an arrogant **** who thought Americans were dumb and complained how Westernized his children were becoming. He was the main contributing factor that caused me to leave that place after only a year.
Were they using the toilet instead of ****ting in the street?
This angle is lame and borders on racism. Most indians do not sheet on streets. There are some who do. We have some street sheeters in the US also, though the number is very small.
I see this on twitter all the time. We are losing our jobs here and people are laughing about street sheeting.
The assimilation hump is real. From my field testing experience in early 2023, Indians seem to be the ethnic group most likely to think "what will my parents / extended family / Desi friends think." On the other end of the spectrum are Persians, who love the West because it's the opposite of the repressive regime they escaped from. Chinese and Taiwanese ladies are somewhere in the middle. I married the Persian of course.
We were calling McKinney "McIndia" at least ten years ago.
The only time I laugh at sheeting in the street is with drunk friends on Bourbon Street
maverick2076 said:
From what I have seen, the newest Indian immigrants tend to follow previous waves into the same communities. They leverage common language and culture, have restaurants that serve food from home, etc. I watched it in Sugar Land when I lived in Rosenberg, and in Leander when I lived there.
In some ways, it's not a whole lot different from Chinatown or Little Italy, historically. It becomes a problem if the new immigrants don't assimilate to American cultural norms and values. Instead of helping facilitate the transition, those insular communities can make it easier to stay separate from American culture.
Or Katy-zuela. But at least that enclave is heavily comprised of curvy latina women who hate commies. If ever in the Cinco Ranch area, do yourself a favor and go to Trader Joe's.
infinity ag said:Ag with kids said:CDUB98 said:MouthBQ98 said:
No problem as long as there is assimilation for those seeking permanent residency or citizenship. My concern is the caste system and nepotism are very strongly culturally embedded in most of India and I wonder if that is moving over to enclaves in the USA. It would be viewed as corruption and bigotry here and isn't very compatible with a more traditional American value system.
My experience in my industry has shown that the caste system remains as an undercurrent. It probably is not as front and center since it's engineering and not tech, so fewer Indians overall, but just various comments and interactions over the years.
Now, one guy I worked with, well, he was just an arrogant **** who thought Americans were dumb and complained how Westernized his children were becoming. He was the main contributing factor that caused me to leave that place after only a year.
Were they using the toilet instead of ****ting in the street?
This angle is lame and borders on racism. Most indians do not sheet on streets. There are some who do. We have some street sheeters in the US also, though the number is very small.
I see this on twitter all the time. We are losing our jobs here and people are laughing about street sheeting.
Meh, that would be a fair response to an arrogant foreigner who bemoans and belittles the people and place he has fled to from his third country hell whole...where people DO just sh** in open fields. Everyone who has ridden a train in India seems to have witnessed this. These are normal people, not drugged out San Francisco bums, just squatting out in the open.
Let's be honest. India is largely a third world sh**hole...otherwise, so many wouldn't be fleeing it.
My only problem is with the people who come from such places and talk down to us or are critical of the US in any way. I cannot imagine having the nerve to uproot to Korea or Japan and then try to tell them how they should run things, but for some reason, this is ONLY ok for brown people to do, but ONLY in Western predominantly white countries. It's not just Indians, Somalians like Ilhan Omar seem to the the absolute worst. And they come from a true cesspool of a country. The freakin nerve they have.
It's just about been the death of football at a lot of Frisco ISD schools. All the schools on the east end of the district are struggling even to field a team.
Independence High School
Students: 1,698
0-10
Liberty High School (only win was Independence)
Students: 1,798
1-9
Heritage High School (2 out of district wins)
Students: 1,996
2-8
Independence High School
Students: 1,698
0-10
Liberty High School (only win was Independence)
Students: 1,798
1-9
Heritage High School (2 out of district wins)
Students: 1,996
2-8
1981 Monte Carlo said:infinity ag said:Ag with kids said:CDUB98 said:MouthBQ98 said:
No problem as long as there is assimilation for those seeking permanent residency or citizenship. My concern is the caste system and nepotism are very strongly culturally embedded in most of India and I wonder if that is moving over to enclaves in the USA. It would be viewed as corruption and bigotry here and isn't very compatible with a more traditional American value system.
My experience in my industry has shown that the caste system remains as an undercurrent. It probably is not as front and center since it's engineering and not tech, so fewer Indians overall, but just various comments and interactions over the years.
Now, one guy I worked with, well, he was just an arrogant **** who thought Americans were dumb and complained how Westernized his children were becoming. He was the main contributing factor that caused me to leave that place after only a year.
Were they using the toilet instead of ****ting in the street?
This angle is lame and borders on racism. Most indians do not sheet on streets. There are some who do. We have some street sheeters in the US also, though the number is very small.
I see this on twitter all the time. We are losing our jobs here and people are laughing about street sheeting.
Meh, that would be a fair response to an arrogant foreigner who bemoans and belittles the people and place he has fled to from his third country hell whole...where people DO just sh** in open fields. Everyone who has ridden a train in India seems to have witnessed this. These are normal people, not drugged out San Francisco bums, just squatting out in the open.
Let's be honest. India is largely a third world sh**hole...otherwise, so many wouldn't be fleeing it.
My only problem is with the people who come from such places and talk down to us or are critical of the US in any way. I cannot imagine having the nerve to uproot to Korea or Japan and then try to tell them how they should run things, but for some reason, this is ONLY ok for brown people to do, but ONLY in Western predominantly white countries. It's not just Indians, Somalians like Ilhan Omar seem to the the absolute worst. And they come from a true cesspool of a country. The freakin nerve they have.
India is still a very poor country. Many are homeless or live in slums. This problem is reduced but it still is a problem. Give them credit for working on it. Also remember history, Europeans invaded India in the 1400s and looted it for 500 years. Do you think people would come from half the globe away to loot a poor slum?
When people talk about street sheeters as the centerpiece of their argument, it takes away from the real discussion.
Some indians become jerks is a different argument. I agree with you on that as I have experienced it too. It's our own fault for giving them our jobs and money. That is why kick them out and give our kids the opportunities they deserve.
Lots to post here...
To the OP, I have HEARD that one of India's spiritual leaders years ago declared the area (Collin County?) a "blessed" land. Consequently, they flocked here and it has now spread to surrounding areas (mainly Frisco, Prosper, McKinney, etc).
As a Frisco resident since 2005, lots of our friends moved to Prosper to get away from them, but they have expanded to claim Prosper as well.
Yes to those who made the point that the first problem is with politicians...
But I confess I can't stand the majority of these people. I have come to know/enjoy/appreciate quite a few, but most refuse to Americanize, and that's across multiple fronts. No deodorant or infrequent bathing, zero politeness or awareness (don't get me started on their driving or going to Costco with them), and their kids are the least well-rounded because academics is the sole focus. They end up taking a ton of the Top 10% spots at A&M and other Texas schools.
I have a junior who has an unweighted 4.0 (taking more dual credit than AP classes) and he's not SNIFFING Top 10%. And yes, the east side of Frisco struggles in football (and others) as a consequence of their population. They'd kill it in cricket if it was offered.
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
Further, lots of smoke around how they only hire their kind and won't even consider different races/backgrounds. Some in-the-know friends have said they are due to be hammered on this matter alone.
To be clear, I would live next to a cat or a freaking family of wolverines if they were interested in Americanizing. Most of these folks are not.
Open to any and all ideas here... but this cannot continue without significant ramifications.
To the OP, I have HEARD that one of India's spiritual leaders years ago declared the area (Collin County?) a "blessed" land. Consequently, they flocked here and it has now spread to surrounding areas (mainly Frisco, Prosper, McKinney, etc).
As a Frisco resident since 2005, lots of our friends moved to Prosper to get away from them, but they have expanded to claim Prosper as well.
Yes to those who made the point that the first problem is with politicians...
But I confess I can't stand the majority of these people. I have come to know/enjoy/appreciate quite a few, but most refuse to Americanize, and that's across multiple fronts. No deodorant or infrequent bathing, zero politeness or awareness (don't get me started on their driving or going to Costco with them), and their kids are the least well-rounded because academics is the sole focus. They end up taking a ton of the Top 10% spots at A&M and other Texas schools.
I have a junior who has an unweighted 4.0 (taking more dual credit than AP classes) and he's not SNIFFING Top 10%. And yes, the east side of Frisco struggles in football (and others) as a consequence of their population. They'd kill it in cricket if it was offered.
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
Further, lots of smoke around how they only hire their kind and won't even consider different races/backgrounds. Some in-the-know friends have said they are due to be hammered on this matter alone.
To be clear, I would live next to a cat or a freaking family of wolverines if they were interested in Americanizing. Most of these folks are not.
Open to any and all ideas here... but this cannot continue without significant ramifications.
fc2112 said:
It's just about been the death of football at a lot of Frisco ISD schools. All the schools on the east end of the district are struggling even to field a team.
Independence High School
Students: 1,698
0-10
Liberty High School (only win was Independence)
Students: 1,798
1-9
Heritage High School (2 out of district wins)
Students: 1,996
2-8
But I am sure the tennis and cricket teams are world beating!
CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I know someone who worked at a Mercedes dealership who refused to try to sell to Indian people after being burned by them at the finished line. It seems to be a cultural tactic to act like they are your best friend, whittle you out of most of your commission, while taking up an extraordinary amount of time, only to reneg on the deal at the final moment, screwing you out of just about all of your commission.
Sounds like it was mostly the over-50 crowd that was the worst. One of the Indian men realized what he had done and must have had some shred of a concsience to feel bad and gave a $100 tip, which still didn't make up for the time spent with him or the hassle, or pretty much the complete elimination of commission.
Seems like a sketchy ass culture, outside of the Christian Indians who tend to assimilate much much better, and embrace the good traditions of their homeland, while making efforts to "blend in" here.
infinity ag said:Colonel Kurtz said:infinity ag said:
On a serious note. If they are legal immigrants, you cannot kick them out. You let them in, legalized them, so they are here to stay.
They can all be kicked out with the stroke of a pen. A piece of paper doesn't make you American.
Are you sure?
I don't think you can kick out a naturalized American citizen. Green cards, I am sure there are clauses for crime etc as they are not citizens yet.
PS: I misspoke above. I meant to say if they are legal immigrants (H1Bs or GC), you can push them out but for valid reasons. Naturalized US Citizens I don't think you can for any reason.
The law can be changed.
Looks like its based off the debunked bs that men make more than woman.
Rapier108 said:Colonel Kurtz said:infinity ag said:
On a serious note. If they are legal immigrants, you cannot kick them out. You let them in, legalized them, so they are here to stay.
They can all be kicked out with the stroke of a pen. A piece of paper doesn't make you American.
Guess the law doesn't matter to you. This country is not a dictatorship despite what you'd like it to be.
And in 30 years when Texas looks like Uttar Pradesh what will you have to say? "At least they came here legally!"
1981 Monte Carlo said:CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I know someone who worked at a Mercedes dealership who refused to try to sell to Indian people after being burned by them at the finished line. It seems to be a cultural tactic to act like they are your best friend, whittle you out of most of your commission, while taking up an extraordinary amount of time, only to reneg on the deal at the final moment, screwing you out of just about all of your commission.
Sounds like it was mostly the over-50 crowd that was the worst. One of the Indian men realized what he had done and must have had some shred of a concsience to feel bad and gave a $100 tip, which still didn't make up for the time spent with him or the hassle, or pretty much the complete elimination of commission.
Seems like a sketchy ass culture, outside of the Christian Indians who tend to assimilate much much better, and embrace the good traditions of their homeland, while making efforts to "blend in" here.
The Merc dealership can be sued for "discrimination". And it seems like there is a case.
Car dealerships are as slimy as CEOs. I don't feel bad when someone gets them at their own game. They are known for cheating people all the time.
So sorry, I don't feel bad for them.
In 2025, I bought an Audi SUV for my wife. The dealership guy tries to screw me too but he didn't know who he was dealing with. I gave him my price (which was lower but in the "reasonable" area). He laughed, taunted and acted like I was clueless. I said "call me when you are ready" and stayed silent. Eventually I got a great deal from another dealership 20 miles away, for a car with better options and packages for a price about 5k lower. The earlier dealership guy who was taunting me had to reduce it about 6k before he finally sold it (to someone else). heh.
So bottomline is car dealerships have their slimy tricks and they got outslimed by Indian H1Bs. Don't feel bad for them.
Colonel Kurtz said:Rapier108 said:Colonel Kurtz said:infinity ag said:
On a serious note. If they are legal immigrants, you cannot kick them out. You let them in, legalized them, so they are here to stay.
They can all be kicked out with the stroke of a pen. A piece of paper doesn't make you American.
Guess the law doesn't matter to you. This country is not a dictatorship despite what you'd like it to be.
And in 30 years when Texas looks like Uttar Pradesh what will you have to say? "At least they came here legally!"
This simple point, most posters on this board don't understand.
Blue star for you.
Everyone was OK with this happening in Austin.
Charpie said:
Everyone was OK with this happening in Austin.
Most sensible folks gave up on Austin a few decades ago.
Slicer97 said:Charpie said:
Everyone was OK with this happening in Austin.
Most sensible folks gave up on Austin a few decades ago.
Gave up on Austin.
Gave up on Texas.
Gave up on America.
Where does this end?
infinity ag said:1981 Monte Carlo said:CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I know someone who worked at a Mercedes dealership who refused to try to sell to Indian people after being burned by them at the finished line. It seems to be a cultural tactic to act like they are your best friend, whittle you out of most of your commission, while taking up an extraordinary amount of time, only to reneg on the deal at the final moment, screwing you out of just about all of your commission.
Sounds like it was mostly the over-50 crowd that was the worst. One of the Indian men realized what he had done and must have had some shred of a concsience to feel bad and gave a $100 tip, which still didn't make up for the time spent with him or the hassle, or pretty much the complete elimination of commission.
Seems like a sketchy ass culture, outside of the Christian Indians who tend to assimilate much much better, and embrace the good traditions of their homeland, while making efforts to "blend in" here.
The Merc dealership can be sued for "discrimination". And it seems like there is a case.
Car dealerships are as slimy as CEOs. I don't feel bad when someone gets them at their own game. They are known for cheating people all the time.
So sorry, I don't feel bad for them.
In 2025, I bought an Audi SUV for my wife. The dealership guy tries to screw me too but he didn't know who he was dealing with. I gave him my price (which was lower but in the "reasonable" area). He laughed, taunted and acted like I was clueless. I said "call me when you are ready" and stayed silent. Eventually I got a great deal from another dealership 20 miles away, for a car with better options and packages for a price about 5k lower. The earlier dealership guy who was taunting me had to reduce it about 6k before he finally sold it (to someone else). heh.
So bottomline is car dealerships have their slimy tricks and they got outslimed by Indian H1Bs. Don't feel bad for them.
This person wasn't slimey, he was dealing with liars who backed out on the deal at the last minute over a few hundred dollars, totally screwing him. High maintenance millionaires...screwing a working class guy over a few hundred bucks. You know how a certain demogrqaphic has an unsavory reputation in the restaurant industry for requiring a disproportionate amount of attention, while barely tipping, if at all? That's Indians at car dealerships. It's well known. They are brutal (in general). The younger ones seem to operate like normal Americans.
What you did is standard negotiation. Lying and not giving a damn about the person's time you wasted or the fact that they basically made ZERO money off the long drawn out deal, is immoral and sketchy behavior. Probably just SOP in Mumbai or New Delhi or wherever, but not here.
infinity ag said:
LOL. Did they suddenly discover porcelain thrones?
CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I used to be an operations manager at a moving company, and the Indian's were the worst customers because of this and all our employees hated moving them.
They would try to haggle with me over everything, and refuse to pay for extra insurance then complain that we were screwing them if something broke and we paid out minimum value. They would also intentionally lie about the amount of crap they had, get hostile with us when we couldn't get it all in one truck because they lied, and then would try to refuse extra billing hours because in their eyes we somehow screwed up. They would also refuse to tip the movers for going above and beyond.
Just absolutely the worst people to do business with, major PITA. Very much a "give an inch, take 5 miles" culture. I ended up just quoting the jobs super high so they could "negotiate" us down to the normal market rate and feel they got a good deal.
1981 Monte Carlo said:infinity ag said:1981 Monte Carlo said:CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I know someone who worked at a Mercedes dealership who refused to try to sell to Indian people after being burned by them at the finished line. It seems to be a cultural tactic to act like they are your best friend, whittle you out of most of your commission, while taking up an extraordinary amount of time, only to reneg on the deal at the final moment, screwing you out of just about all of your commission.
Sounds like it was mostly the over-50 crowd that was the worst. One of the Indian men realized what he had done and must have had some shred of a concsience to feel bad and gave a $100 tip, which still didn't make up for the time spent with him or the hassle, or pretty much the complete elimination of commission.
Seems like a sketchy ass culture, outside of the Christian Indians who tend to assimilate much much better, and embrace the good traditions of their homeland, while making efforts to "blend in" here.
The Merc dealership can be sued for "discrimination". And it seems like there is a case.
Car dealerships are as slimy as CEOs. I don't feel bad when someone gets them at their own game. They are known for cheating people all the time.
So sorry, I don't feel bad for them.
In 2025, I bought an Audi SUV for my wife. The dealership guy tries to screw me too but he didn't know who he was dealing with. I gave him my price (which was lower but in the "reasonable" area). He laughed, taunted and acted like I was clueless. I said "call me when you are ready" and stayed silent. Eventually I got a great deal from another dealership 20 miles away, for a car with better options and packages for a price about 5k lower. The earlier dealership guy who was taunting me had to reduce it about 6k before he finally sold it (to someone else). heh.
So bottomline is car dealerships have their slimy tricks and they got outslimed by Indian H1Bs. Don't feel bad for them.
This person wasn't slimey, he was dealing with liars who backed out on the deal at the last minute over a few hundred dollars, totally screwing him. High maintenance millionaires...screwing a working class guy over a few hundred bucks. You know how a certain demogrqaphic has an unsavory reputation in the restaurant industry for requiring a disproportionate amount of attention, while barely tipping, if at all? That's Indians at car dealerships. It's well known. They are brutal (in general). The younger ones seem to operate like normal Americans.
What you did is standard negotiation. Lying and not giving a damn about the person's time you wasted or the fact that they basically made ZERO money off the long drawn out deal, is immoral and sketchy behavior. Probably just SOP in Mumbai or New Delhi or wherever, but not here.
My friend. What "deal" are you talking about? Was anything signed? Or were they still in negotiations? If something was signed, then the dealership should take the Indian fellow to court and sue his pants off. I will be with the dealership on this. From your story, they were still discussing and the sticking point was a few 100s. If that was not important, the dealership could just say sure and let them have the few 100s and get the sale.
Companies do this all the time, promise and then renege. They give out job offers and rescind.. ah yes, "for business reasons" of course. Is that okay?
The Audi guy tried to screw me too. I agreed to the sticker price with the 2nd dealership because it was a great deal. No nego. But then when he gave me a bill, he added $1500 to it. I said wtf is this?? He said underbody coating or whatever. I said take this sheet off and give me the price on the car. He did it sheepishly. Then financing. I paid all in cash, no financing. Finance guy got hung up on that. He pulled out a paper with 3 "options". All which could cost a few 1000s. I said forget about it don't waste my time, just give me the car for the price on the window. They wasted an hour trying to laugh and taunt me, he asks "so you are saying you don't want a good deal? You don't care about money??". I wanted to tell the dumbass to cut the crap and get to work but decided to be polite instead.
Blame Indians sure, but not for such dumb reasons.
infinity ag said:1981 Monte Carlo said:infinity ag said:1981 Monte Carlo said:CaptAmerica03 said:
I watched one guy argue for five minutes on why he should be allowed to use an expired coupon on his haircut... they will negotiate to a fault and then still try to screw you.
I know someone who worked at a Mercedes dealership who refused to try to sell to Indian people after being burned by them at the finished line. It seems to be a cultural tactic to act like they are your best friend, whittle you out of most of your commission, while taking up an extraordinary amount of time, only to reneg on the deal at the final moment, screwing you out of just about all of your commission.
Sounds like it was mostly the over-50 crowd that was the worst. One of the Indian men realized what he had done and must have had some shred of a concsience to feel bad and gave a $100 tip, which still didn't make up for the time spent with him or the hassle, or pretty much the complete elimination of commission.
Seems like a sketchy ass culture, outside of the Christian Indians who tend to assimilate much much better, and embrace the good traditions of their homeland, while making efforts to "blend in" here.
The Merc dealership can be sued for "discrimination". And it seems like there is a case.
Car dealerships are as slimy as CEOs. I don't feel bad when someone gets them at their own game. They are known for cheating people all the time.
So sorry, I don't feel bad for them.
In 2025, I bought an Audi SUV for my wife. The dealership guy tries to screw me too but he didn't know who he was dealing with. I gave him my price (which was lower but in the "reasonable" area). He laughed, taunted and acted like I was clueless. I said "call me when you are ready" and stayed silent. Eventually I got a great deal from another dealership 20 miles away, for a car with better options and packages for a price about 5k lower. The earlier dealership guy who was taunting me had to reduce it about 6k before he finally sold it (to someone else). heh.
So bottomline is car dealerships have their slimy tricks and they got outslimed by Indian H1Bs. Don't feel bad for them.
This person wasn't slimey, he was dealing with liars who backed out on the deal at the last minute over a few hundred dollars, totally screwing him. High maintenance millionaires...screwing a working class guy over a few hundred bucks. You know how a certain demogrqaphic has an unsavory reputation in the restaurant industry for requiring a disproportionate amount of attention, while barely tipping, if at all? That's Indians at car dealerships. It's well known. They are brutal (in general). The younger ones seem to operate like normal Americans.
What you did is standard negotiation. Lying and not giving a damn about the person's time you wasted or the fact that they basically made ZERO money off the long drawn out deal, is immoral and sketchy behavior. Probably just SOP in Mumbai or New Delhi or wherever, but not here.
My friend. What "deal" are you talking about? Was anything signed? Or were they still in negotiations? If something was signed, then the dealership should take the Indian fellow to court and sue his pants off. I will be with the dealership on this.
Companies do this all the time, promise and then renege. They give out job offers and rescind.. ah yes, "for business reasons" of course. Is that okay?
Blame Indians sure, but not for such dumb reasons.
Here is the problem...when you shake someone's hand and agree to something...that is a "deal" in America. If you are a moral person, with western values. My family has been here since the 1600's and that is generally the way it has always been. A handshake on a man-to-man level should mean something.
Thst mentality is the problem some of us are complaining about right there. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is ethical or moral. This seems to be a foreign concept to people from most non-western countries, and why so many people want those who will assimilate to our culture.
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