flown-the-coop said:

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Education and history can be found here.

Telling someone they cannot join forces with our enemies to boycott our allies in order for them to receive federal funds is a long standing bipartisan practice.

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

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Bipartisan and long standing or not its wrong to punish citizens for actions of local government by withholding disaster relief should such an event occur. Especially since that funding is taken by force from citizens through taxation in the first place.

You are not making any sense.

If your local government decides to use the disaster funds for gender affirming care for haitian immigrants, you think the feds have no right to withhold those funds?

Cause all that is happening here is the feds saying that in order to receive these funds, you have to comply with xyz.

No different than any of the other minority contracting requirements, community outreach requirement, anti discrimination requirements, drug free workplace requirements, PII security requirements, safety requirements… on and on.

You have been provided the information. Learn about what this is and is not, because you are purposefully misleading in your comments on what this is.

flown-the-coop said:

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You are not making any sense.

If your local government decides to use the disaster funds for gender affirming care for haitian immigrants, you think the feds have no right to withhold those funds?

Cause all that is happening here is the feds saying that in order to receive these funds, you have to comply with xyz.

No different than any of the other minority contracting requirements, community outreach requirement, anti discrimination requirements, drug free workplace requirements, PII security requirements, safety requirements… on and on.

You have been provided the information. Learn about what this is and is not, because you are purposefully misleading in your comments on what this is.

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What odd logical hoops you have to jump through for the sake of defending bad policy. Why does Israel need explicit protections? The federal government should not be in the business of choosing who we can decide to not do business with.

If this is such a good idea, why did the WH just backtrack after public outcry?

NEW: The Trump admin has removed the language requiring states not allow the boycotting of Israel to be eligible for disaster funds

Original vs new: pic.twitter.com/y7tavSspMq

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) August 4, 2025

Ok after speaking w/ folks here's whats going on: An original guidance from DHS explicitly stated that federal disaster funding was barred from states that allowed boycott of Israel. The WH changed this explicit language after widespread outcry BUT the DHS tweet makes it clear… pic.twitter.com/nSaEpdTuEZ

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) August 4, 2025

State and cities or individuals?

I couldn't care less if the states and cities don't get them as long as the individuals do if they need them.

These Democrats running these horrible blue states need to learn

Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (NIV)

They cursed around and found out.

flown-the-coop said:

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Education and history can be found here.

Telling someone they cannot join forces with our enemies to boycott our allies in order for them to receive federal funds is a long standing bipartisan practice.

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

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"Bipartisan" is often code for "****ing ruhtarded". This is one of those times.

annie88 said:

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State and cities or individuals?

I couldn't care less if the states and cities don't get them as long as the individuals do if they need them.

These Democrats running these horrible blue states need to learn

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I have not looked at these specific funds, but many times the funds do NOT go directly to individuals. That tends to result in less tarps on roofs and more flat screen TVs and pit bulls.

So if FEMA allocates $10 million for debris cleanup in Annieville, then the city of Annieville must agree not to have a boycott of Israel. The concept is to keep federal dollars from flowing to anti-Israel coalitions which happen to be adjacent to terrorists who want to wipe Israel and Jews from the Earf.

So even the backtrack above, the law is still in place and looks like they will focus on enforcement.

This is not about telling private citizens or private companies who they can do business with. Its goal is to prevent the **** like US AID and Columbia University were up to.

It's ******ed to not understand the policy and the purpose before calling something ******ed. Just sayin….

flown-the-coop said:

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It's ******ed to not understand the policy and the purpose before calling something ******ed. Just sayin….

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I understand it just fine.

It's ****ing ruhtarded to worry about that idiocy during a disaster recovery.

Vet "charities" better, from the jump. Not just when it's politically expedient.

Politicizing disasters IS what liberals do, though, so it stand to reason he'd be all about it.

"Never let a crisis go to waste..." and all.

flown-the-coop said:

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annie88 said:

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State and cities or individuals?

I couldn't care less if the states and cities don't get them as long as the individuals do if they need them.

These Democrats running these horrible blue states need to learn

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I have not looked at these specific funds, but many times the funds do NOT go directly to individuals. That tends to result in less tarps on roofs and more flat screen TVs and pit bulls.

So if FEMA allocates $10 million for debris cleanup in Annieville, then the city of Annieville must agree not to have a boycott of Israel. The concept is to keep federal dollars from flowing to anti-Israel coalitions which happen to be adjacent to terrorists who want to wipe Israel and Jews from the Earf.

So even the backtrack above, the law is still in place and looks like they will focus on enforcement.

This is not about telling private citizens or private companies who they can do business with. Its goal is to prevent the **** like US AID and Columbia University were up to.

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So by choosing to not do business with Israel and Israeli companies, Annieville is effectively a terrorist fellow traveller?

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zoneag said:

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Nothing says "America First" like denying disaster aid to Americans because their state/local governments don't pledge fealty to a foreign country.

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If boycotting Israel companies for American competitors, then you have a point.

But if they are sunshine pumping Ukraine, or Gaza, or any European nonsense, then they don't really have a leg to stand up on.

Either way, the fed picking winners regarding disaster relief is dumb and the process needs to be reigned in regardless.

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As one of the resident Ukraine supporters here, I totally agree. This is inappropriate.

Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

BigRobSA said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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It's ******ed to not understand the policy and the purpose before calling something ******ed. Just sayin….

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I understand it just fine.

It's ****ing ruhtarded to worry about that idiocy during a disaster recovery.

Vet "charities" better, from the jump. Not just when it's politically expedient.

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Or just punish the municipality in another way if thats what they're worried about. This is bad policy and idiotic politics on an issue the right is swiftly losing support for.

zoneag said:

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Nothing says "America First" like denying disaster aid to Americans because their state/local governments don't pledge fealty to a foreign country.

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You realize Texas and other states limit procurement with companies that are anti-Israel (and they've done it for years).

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Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

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"We decided you are woke and therefore granny cant be rescued"

lb3 said:

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Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

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Boycotting israel is not woke. You are conflating things. Trump is also not saying, "dont be woke". Hes saying you cannot boycott israel and receive federal disaster relief money

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lb3 said:

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Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

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Boycotting israel is not woke. You are conflating things. Trump is also not saying, "dont be woke". Hes saying you cannot boycott israel and receive federal disaster relief money

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Boycotting "Israel" is ****ing stupid, too.

But, people have the right to be stupid. I mean, we don't murder all liberals, which is the epitome of being stupid.

lb3 said:

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Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

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People don't like facts these days. And it's funny to see folks get all up in arms on policies that have been en around for a while.

Go figure.

So you are saying state and local areas who are pushing boycotts of Israeli companies while they are experiencing catastrophic damage are not to receive federal funding?

If true, then to receive funds for your constituents is not boycott Israel……then don't boycott Israel. That seems to be an easy one.

I am guess that the left will be the only one impacted by this because they are both feet in for the end of Israel. I am seeing just another opportunity to dish out more faux anger.

Keller6Ag91 said:

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zoneag said:

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Nothing says "America First" like denying disaster aid to Americans because their state/local governments don't pledge fealty to a foreign country.

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You realize Texas and other states limit procurement with companies that are anti-Israel (and they've done it for years).

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Facts are verboten.

Better for folks to conjure up strawman of granny dying because she won't donate to feed the poor old Russian Jews in Ukraine.

FCBlitz said:

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So you are saying state and local areas who are pushing boycotts of Israeli companies while they are experiencing catastrophic damage are not to receive federal funding?

If true, then to receive funds for your constituents is not boycott Israel……then don't boycott Israel. That seems to be an easy one.

I am guess that the left will be the only one impacted by this because they are both feet in for the end of Israel. I am seeing just another opportunity to dish out more faux anger.

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Or they could do the rational thing and not play political games with disaster relief money. Especially since those constituents are forced to subsidize a federal government who hasnt had a balanced budget this decade in exchange for services such as FEMA disaster relief.

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Keyno said:

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lb3 said:

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Nobody on this thread read the article or even the OP. Trump isn't cutting off disaster relief for anyone. All he's doing is saying if you're going to apply for a federal FEMA grants, say to buy a 5 ton truck to wade through flooded streets, certify that you aren't playing woke games with taxpayer dollars.

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Boycotting israel is not woke. You are conflating things. Trump is also not saying, "dont be woke". Hes saying you cannot boycott israel and receive federal disaster relief money

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Boycotting "Israel" is ****ing stupid, too.

But, people have the right to be stupid. I mean, we don't murder all liberals, which is the epitome of being stupid.

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You personally consider it stupid. The majority of planet earth considers Israel to be committing crimes against humanity.

PaulsBunions said:

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FCBlitz said:

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So you are saying state and local areas who are pushing boycotts of Israeli companies while they are experiencing catastrophic damage are not to receive federal funding?

If true, then to receive funds for your constituents is not boycott Israel……then don't boycott Israel. That seems to be an easy one.

I am guess that the left will be the only one impacted by this because they are both feet in for the end of Israel. I am seeing just another opportunity to dish out more faux anger.

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Or they could do the rational thing and not play political games with disaster relief money. Especially since those constituents are forced to subsidize a federal government who hasnt had a balanced budget this decade in exchange for services such as FEMA disaster relief.

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This is the crux of it. Forget israel or how much you personally love them or support them. We have a United States President telling the States he governs- "I will not help you unless you support this foreign government". That could be considered treasonous IMO

Except that is not what he's doing. But libs lie, it's all they know.

flown-the-coop said:

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Except that is not what he's doing. But libs lie, it's all they know.

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This is exactly what he's doing. I am not a lib and even if I was, it wouldnt change the facts of what I just said

Man, you are sad.

Keller6Ag91 said:

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zoneag said:

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Nothing says "America First" like denying disaster aid to Americans because their state/local governments don't pledge fealty to a foreign country.

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You realize Texas and other states limit procurement with companies that are anti-Israel (and they've done it for years).

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That's their decision to make and not the federal government's. A state government choosing who they do business with is not the same as leveraging disaster relief money to coerce a state into changing their decision on who they do business with.

Edit: not the same as the federal government* leveraging disaster relief

flown-the-coop said:

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Man, you are sad.

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Youre actually right for once. I am sad. I am sad we have a President that supports a foreign government over the States he governs. Its a sad situation

There is no coercion. Fed money has strings. It's not state funds, it's federal funds.

Anti boycotting has been around for decades. Sorry you are just now learning about it and it upsets your feelings.

Get yourself elected to Congress and change things. Until then, quit misrepresenting things and using terms like coercion since you seem to have a poor grasp of the term. Or use it incorrectly, your choice I guess.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Man, you are sad.

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Youre actually right for once. I am sad. I am sad we have a President that supports a foreign government over the States he governs. Its a sad situation

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You are sad we have a President named Trump. It doesn't matter what he does, you are just sad it's Trump.

Being honest will help you address your sadness.

flown-the-coop said:

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Keyno said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Man, you are sad.

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Youre actually right for once. I am sad. I am sad we have a President that supports a foreign government over the States he governs. Its a sad situation

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You are sad we have a President named Trump. It doesn't matter what he does, you are just sad it's Trump.

Being honest will help you address your sadness.

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Lets not redirect. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. I love Trump as a man. But as a patriot, what he is doing here is disgusting.

But again you don't understand what he is doing. So you seem to be stuck.

flown-the-coop said:

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But again you don't understand what he is doing. So you seem to be stuck.

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He is withholding disaster relief money from states which boycott a foreign government. Sick and disgusting and it makes me sad

Ad hominem, there's no need to be upset I've been civil this whole time. What reason would I have to be mad now that the gov has realized how stupid this decision was?

If the definition of coercion is "the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.", and the "force or threat" in this situation is withholding federal disaster relief funds for behavior the federal government doesn't like (choosing to not do business with Israel), is that not coercion?

There is no ad hom.

It's not withholding disaster relief funds.

And if you have stipulations with money you are providing someone, that is not coercion. You can simply decide not to accept the funds.

Is it coercion to tell you kid not to spend allowance money on drugs or you won't get any more allowance.