Cornyn's federal issue with this is that Paxton won't stop tweeting about it and is getting attention for it.

We cannot have that if we are running against each other.

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If the DNC is "paying" these guys to come to Chicago, would that not be a "bribe"?

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Probably not. Campaign finance violation maybe?

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Maybe. But, then what is a bribe? Taking money to perform an illegal act seems different than just lobbying for a cause.

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Is it really illegal though? As in felony illegal? Because if just a misdemeanor, the feds do not normally get involved (well, with the exception of taking a child across state lines in violation of a court order. US Marshals can get involved then, or they used to be.)

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There is also a very strong argument to make that breaking quorum is a legitimate exercise of the First Amendment. Depriving a governing body of quorum has been a legitimate act of dissent ever since representative government was invented.

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They aren't speaking as individuals. They are speaking as representatives of the public. The public elected them to vote up or down on the issues before the legislature, and by leaving they are denying the public their right to speak to those issues.

In reality, they are cowards that are throwing a temper tantrum because they aren't getting their way. It reminds me of Burrows and his comrades not showing up for the third round of the Speaker's vote with the Republican caucus so he could go make an alliance with Democrats. Flat out cowardly.

At least with this, the Democrats will lose. It's just a matter of time.

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Bumping this to the current last page as it's really all there is to say about why Texas needs to re-balance our representation asap.

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It's funny how this keeps getting offered as evidence. For all the complaining about leftists and liberals, I tried to have meaningful discourse on this earlier in the thread.

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Cornyn's federal issue with this is that Paxton won't stop tweeting about it and is getting attention for it.

We cannot have that if we are running against each other.

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Ken Paxton once ran out the back door of his home and rode off in a truck being driven by his soon-to-be ex wife to avoid being served in a lawsuit. LOL at him chastising anyone for running away.

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Ken Paxton once ran out the back door of his home and rode off in a truck being driven by his soon-to-be ex wife to avoid being served in a lawsuit. LOL at him chastising anyone for running away.

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He was not representing (or failing to represent) constituents in that act. Cool deflection, though.

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Ken Paxton once ran out the back door of his home and rode off in a truck being driven by his soon-to-be ex wife to avoid being served in a federal lawsuit. LOL at him chastising anyone for running away.

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He was not representing (or failing to represent) constituents in that act. Cool deflection, though.

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LAW AND ORDER (unless it's my guy)

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Bumping this to the current last page as it's really all there is to say about why Texas needs to re-balance our representation asap.

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It's funny how this keeps getting offered as evidence. For all the complaining about leftists and liberals, I tried to have meaningful discourse on this earlier in the thread.

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It's only funny in the context of the left complaining about the right doing the same thing as they've done numerous times...

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This is a thread about lawmakers doing their jobs.

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I'm really sick of vile people like this being in government. The attitude, the tone, the disrespect, the thug attitude, the head bobble, the whole thing. I've just had enough. Make it stop

Thug Texas Democrat curses at Gov. Greg Abbott and says she hasn’t broken any law by fleeing her duties in Texas.

She’s low IQ enough to think Texas hadn’t anticipated what she and her deranged Dem ilk are doing.

She’ll be fined, prosecuted, and expelled.pic.twitter.com/ZjrVC4PJAs

— Paul A. Szypula 🇺🇸 (@Bubblebathgirl) August 4, 2025

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Maga doesn't get to gripe about any politician's attitude, tone, or disrespect.

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Maga gets to do whatever it wishes.

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Awww after years of calling right wing people racists, sexists and bigots, using countless derogatory terms, violating norms all the while being openly discriminatory, now leftists are trying to tone police? Shocker.

Self reflection and humbleness were never their strong suit.

For you lefty types, we tried running milquetoast, center of the road people like McCain and Romney. You still called them Nazis. So then we elect people that play by your rules, and make no mistake Trump is running by New York Democrat rules, and now that the shoe is on the other foot you don't like it so much.

Too bad. You earned this. But more than that, your attitude, tone, or disrespect led to this. Enjoy it. It's all yours.

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Except it was a MAGA poster crying about a representative being disrespectful that I was responding to, doofus.

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If the DNC is "paying" these guys to come to Chicago, would that not be a "bribe"?

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Probably not. Campaign finance violation maybe?

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Maybe. But, then what is a bribe? Taking money to perform an illegal act seems different than just lobbying for a cause.

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Is it really illegal though? As in felony illegal? Because if just a misdemeanor, the feds do not normally get involved (well, with the exception of taking a child across state lines in violation of a court order. US Marshals can get involved then, or they used to be.)

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There is also a very strong argument to make that breaking quorum is a legitimate exercise of the First Amendment. Depriving a governing body of quorum has been a legitimate act of dissent ever since representative government was invented.

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They aren't speaking as individuals. They are speaking as representatives of the public. The public elected them to vote up or down on the issues before the legislature, and by leaving they are denying the public their right to speak to those issues.

In reality, they are cowards that are throwing a temper tantrum because they aren't getting their way. It reminds me of Burrows and his comrades not showing up for the third round of the Speaker's vote with the Republican caucus so he could go make an alliance with Democrats. Flat out cowardly.

At least with this, the Democrats will lose. It's just a matter of time.

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The First Amendment still applies to elected officials acting in their official capacity, and your argument that it denies the public their rights by not allowing them to speak on issues before the legislature doesn't hold water because the legislature denies citizens the opportunity to speak on issues all the time through a variety of means, particularly including not holding public hearings on certain issues and limiting testimony on controversial issues, despite citizens following all proper procedures to testify. In fact, the legislature cut off testimony on the very issue for which Dems have broken quorum, and I didn't see anyone on here crying about how Republicans refused to allow citizens who had signed up to testify the ability to have their voices heard.

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Go look at IL...or MD...or MA...

I'm tired of the left claiming OPPRESSION when they have many more states that have employed these tactics...

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I don't think the problem people are having is with gerrymandering, but rather doing it now instead of every ten years like is normally done.

And Republicans have walked out to defeat quorum before. All politicians are huge hypocrites, both sides.

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I call 100,000% BULL*****!!!

The last redistricting that occurred in NY was in 2024...

And I see the "talking points" about "doing it after the census" are now out...

Since you're the 3rd poster I've seen make that kind of statement...

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Talk about bull****…
The reason NY redistricted in 2024 was because they started the process after the 2020 census, and it took three years to get a redistricting plan approved. But even then, a court ordered them to redraw it AGAIN in December 2023. You can read all about it here. https://redistricting.lls.edu/state/new-york/?cycle=2020&level=Congress&startdate=2024-02-28

If you're going to call bull**** in someone, it's best to have the facts on your side.

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These types have no use for facts.

Leaving the state in abdication of your elected responsibilities is not a First Amendment issue. There is nothing about that that is protected speech.

They can be heard on the floor of the House while they're doing what they were elected to do.

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Now there's a writ I knew existed had not seen utilized recently. Quo warranto, eh? That's a deep dive into dusty legal books.

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I had to look into this once, when representing a municipality, as the successful candidate for a seat on the city commission did not actually live within the city limits. Once we determined that the city attorney had no authority to bring a quo warranto action, it became the DA's problem (and he chose not to do anything).

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Now there's a writ I knew existed had not seen utilized recently. Quo warranto, eh? That's a deep dive into dusty legal books.

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I had to look into this once, when representing a municipality, as the successful candidate for a seat on the city commission did not actually live within the city limits. Once we determined that the city attorney had no authority to bring a quo warranto action, it became the DA's problem (and he chose not to do anything).

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Yeah my understanding is that quo warranto tends to vary over jurisdictions with differing appetites for ever utilizing it as it fell out of disfavor. Since it most often relates to elections and elected officials, other statutory laws have supplanted its function. Doesn't mean it no longer exists, just that it not the favored theory for remedy.

I'll say it again, denial of quorum has been a legitimate form of dissent as long as representative governance has existed.

You can say all day long that it constitutes abdicating their duties, but I would bet you a steak dinner the majority of the constituents who elected them would likely see it as representatives exercising this method of dissent as a means to represent constituent interests in opposing the effort to implement gerrymandered maps.

ETA: All the of the Dems offices remain open and continue to serve the needs of their constituents, so that also undermines your "abdication" argument.

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Bumping this to the current last page as it's really all there is to say about why Texas needs to re-balance our representation asap.

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It's funny how this keeps getting offered as evidence. For all the complaining about leftists and liberals, I tried to have meaningful discourse on this earlier in the thread.

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I don't mean to pick on you, but I must have missed where you meaningfully replied to this. Thank you for again bumping it to the last current page though.

I think we should just accept that racial gerrymandering is wrong (race just shouldn't be a factor in any critical analyses), and that we can't subjugate the Democrat states that have long gerrymandered GOP voters from power in the US House delegations, so the conservative states just have to play their game. It sucks, but Republicans need to stop bringing a knife to a gun fight, so to speak.

ETA: maybe a compromise might be that the NY/IL/CA legislatures/governors agree to have their maps subject to the approval of TX/FL governors, and vice versa. That might be a fun compromise. Waiting to hear of such an idea from the temper tantrums about Texas' plans up north and west.

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I'll say it again, denial of quorum has been a legitimate form of dissent as long as representative governance has existed.

You can say all day long that it constitutes abdicating their duties, but I would bet you a steak dinner the majority of the constituents who elected them would likely see it as representatives exercising this method of dissent as a means to represent constituent interests in opposing the effort to implement gerrymandered maps.

ETA: All the of the Dems offices remain open and continue to serve the needs of their constituents, so that also undermines your "abdication" argument.

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Feels and the law sometimes don't coincide.

This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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I am not butthurt. I understand fully that the democrat party is nothing but a group of hypocrites and obstructionists.

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This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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I am not butthurt. I understand fully that the democrat party is nothing but a group of hypocrites and obstructionists.

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Show me where I said you were.

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Go look at IL...or MD...or MA...

I'm tired of the left claiming OPPRESSION when they have many more states that have employed these tactics...

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I don't think the problem people are having is with gerrymandering, but rather doing it now instead of every ten years like is normally done.

And Republicans have walked out to defeat quorum before. All politicians are huge hypocrites, both sides.

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I call 100,000% BULL*****!!!

The last redistricting that occurred in NY was in 2024...

And I see the "talking points" about "doing it after the census" are now out...

Since you're the 3rd poster I've seen make that kind of statement...

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Talk about bull****…
The reason NY redistricted in 2024 was because they started the process after the 2020 census, and it took three years to get a redistricting plan approved. But even then, a court ordered them to redraw it AGAIN in December 2023. You can read all about it here. https://redistricting.lls.edu/state/new-york/?cycle=2020&level=Congress&startdate=2024-02-28

If you're going to call bull**** in someone, it's best to have the facts on your side.

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These types have no use for facts.

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YOU should NEVER talk about having a use for facts...

I was correct in my statement - they did redistricting in 2024. I misunderstood WHY they had done it in 2024. Mea culpa.

BTW, what HTown didn't tell you was WHY the process took so long...the Dems attempt to gerrymander in 2020 was SO BLATANTLY BAD that it was ruled unconstitutional...Not sure why HTown left THAT fact out of his snarky response to me...

Following the 2020 census, the Democratic-controlled state legislature rejected the maps submitted by the IRC and instead enacted its own maps. Republican plaintiffs challenged those districts in state court, arguing that they were unconstitutional gerrymanders in violation of the 2014 amendment. In a 2022 decision, the New York State Court of Appeals agreed, striking down the state legislature's maps and holding that they were drawn with impermissible partisan intent.

Now, do you care about the fact that Democrats gerrymandered much worse than TX and have done so for years?

Maga doesn't get to gripe about any politician's attitude, tone, or disrespect.

Yeah, we do.

It's pretty sad you can't see the difference.

Holy hell your comment made me laugh. The left is just broken.

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This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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But you have no problem when it's the other way around. In fact, you encourage it.

Seems to meyou're the one that's getting butt hurt. Because you're deflecting off of what's really happening.

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This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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Those Dems are not doing anything other than looking pathetic. You have a couple angry disgruntled black women taking up the spotlight, or heaven forbid Al Green find a live camera.

Dems cannot stop this and the longer that obstruct the stupider they look. Let them hold out until 2026. The party of Abrego-Garcia, mayor Bass, Tim Walz, Newsom, Crockett, AOC, Bernie, sparticus? Pocahontas? Dumbface Booker? Mayor Pete? Kamala? Hunter Biden? Hilldawg? Schumer?

Start sprinkling in Momdani and friends and top to bottom the Dems are talentless. Keep up these antics and midterms could be epic. Imagine what Trump will do with supermajorities in both houses and another couple
ScOTUS picks.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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This thread is filled with butthurt feels from people who are mad at Dems for preventing Republicans from getting what they want.

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But you have no problem when it's the other way around. In fact, you encourage it.

Seems to meyou're the one that's getting butt hurt. Because you're deflecting off of what's really happening.

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LOLZ.

If R's want to break quorum, go right on ahead. My stance on it won't change.

I just want to add, that Dems are in such disarray their most normal, respectable members in the Senate are McConnell, Murkowski and Collins. I guess they could look to them for leadership.

While the stated tally was 94, the vote sheet shows 95 plus Ken King whose machine didn’t register him present even though he was in the chamber. So that puts it at 96, 4 from a quorum.

Two Dems returned today: E Morales and Cortez.

— Brad Johnson (@bradj_TX) August 5, 2025

It's a start.

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I'll say it again, denial of quorum has been a legitimate form of dissent as long as representative governance has existed.

You can say all day long that it constitutes abdicating their duties, but I would bet you a steak dinner the majority of the constituents who elected them would likely see it as representatives exercising this method of dissent as a means to represent constituent interests in opposing the effort to implement gerrymandered maps.

ETA: All the of the Dems offices remain open and continue to serve the needs of their constituents, so that also undermines your "abdication" argument.

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It is an obstruction to the business of government to deny a quorum specifically to stop the body from doing work. If they happen to have too many out sick or delayed getting back from vacation, then the quorum rules exist to keep the body from railroading them. But doing it specifically to stop the body from doing work makes them no different from the small group of J6 protestors who were actually trying to stop the certification of the electoral votes instead of just wanting their voices heard. The dems hated the J6ers with white hot fury, and the dems disrupting the function of the state government should deserve no better.

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TX
56% voted Republican in 2024
66% of Congressman are Republicans


CA
58.5% voted Democrat in 2024
82.6% of Congressman are Democrats

NY
56% voted Democrat in 2024
73% of Congressman are Democrats

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Bumping this to the current last page as it's really all there is to say about why Texas needs to re-balance our representation asap.

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It's funny how this keeps getting offered as evidence. For all the complaining about leftists and liberals, I tried to have meaningful discourse on this earlier in the thread.

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I don't mean to pick on you, but I must have missed where you meaningfully replied to this. Thank you for again bumping it to the last current page though.

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Elected Texas Democrats are cowardly, human wastes of oxygen. Pathetic.

🚨 BREAKING: Texas Governor Greg Abbott officially begins process of removing the Democrat lawmakers from office who broke quorum, blocked a vote on redistricting and fled to Illinois.

He's following through.

Abbott has filed with the Supreme Court of Texas. pic.twitter.com/b5emQn4fZP

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) August 5, 2025

If Texas Supreme Court says he has the right, it's over, correct?

As in the would have no standing to appeal to SCOTUS as clearly the state ruled it was following its own constitution.

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The Democrats have to come back at some point. All their theatrics are playing to their constituents, but there will eventually be a price to pay for their stupid stunts.

And after all is said and done, the Republican redistricting will get passed.

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Yes, agree. I just hope to see some perp walks upon their return

I have no doubt the RINOs and psycho leftists will throw everything but the kitchen sink at disrupting, appealing, and circumventing any proceedings.

I guess we'll find out soon whether they're for real or this is hot air. They sure seem to be going forward with it.

No no no! This would be bad. The Feds have no business getting involved with this.

https://www.axios.com/2025/08/05/john-cornyn-fbi-arrest-democrats-texas