How can you be a modern day democrat?

Tribalism. A need to be a part of a group. "My group is better than them." A need to find a group that I can proudly be associated with...in this case the group that cares for people. Usually dems attach themselves to empathy. They dont care what that devotion does to society when it is freed from common sense.

I saw a sign in central austin this morning that said something like "Arrest ICE...Free the migrants".

This thread reeks of "I'm tolerant of different viewpoints as long as they align with mine" classic. Republicans really aren't much different than democrats. 95% of people believe they are doing the right thing. There's very few malicious troublemakers

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The only difference is that some of use logic and reason to guide us while others use empathy or do whatever is best for themselves.

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The youthful Aggies very unfortunately from when I can tell our brainwashed by the Marxism

It's terrible as they enjoy their elitest privileges

You know who's not Democrats my Vietnamese electrician neighbors who came across and they're buying for an expeditions now they love Trump

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Young Aggies are fine.

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People who have a different belief system then me must be idiots!

Come on.

And no, I'm not a liberal. But it's OK that different people believe in different things. It's kind of how the world works...

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Not when those said people were championing taking American kids away because of a needle in the arm. Come on dude! Just an ignorant response to whats been going on the last 8 years. The people you're talking about were ready to put Americans in camps for going to church. Most level thinking people remember history. You would have been one of the Germans that claimed they had no idea of the camps when the Americans showed up.

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I work in tech. It's full of liberals. Not a single person I know believed any of that.

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That's great but the people they support definitely did. This was a mainstream idea for that party in 2020. Trump supporters needed reeducation. People refusing the vax should lose their children. Both of those were said publicly by Dems in Congress. AOC said the one about reeducation and she's going to be on the stage in 2027 when they start figuring out who's the tallest midget for 2028. Yes the Republicans have their idiots in people like MTG but there's nobody on the Republican side of Congress advocating for reeducation camps for Democrats where we would teach them basic economics or taking away kids because their parents took them to drag shows. That's simply not how conservatives think. It is apparently how liberals think.

I guess the real point is if they don't believe in the things their party espouses why are they voting for them? Look at people like Bret Weinstein who has publicly rebuked the Democrats as being extreme in the censorship efforts among other things.

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Man, the hypocrisy of this post is just mind blowing.

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The only difference is that some of use logic and reason to guide us while others use empathy or do whatever is best for themselves.

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The difference is some use their own money and others steal the money from others via taxation.

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People who have a different belief system then me must be idiots!

Come on.

And no, I'm not a liberal. But it's OK that different people believe in different things. It's kind of how the world works...

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Thanks Rodney King for telling us "can't we all just get along". And we are not talking about "the world". America's values and culture are under attack and it is not just about what people "believe" but the violent and destructive actions from those beliefs. Don't be naive to think those bent on destruction are just satisfied to have independent beliefs.

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Freedom, the Constitution, the rule of law, good work ethic, morality, Judeo-Christian values, and personal responsibility are VERY different from the democrat party.

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People who have a different belief system then me must be idiots!

Come on.

And no, I'm not a liberal. But it's OK that different people believe in different things. It's kind of how the world works...

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Not when those said people were championing taking American kids away because of a needle in the arm. Come on dude! Just an ignorant response to whats been going on the last 8 years. The people you're talking about were ready to put Americans in camps for going to church. Most level thinking people remember history. You would have been one of the Germans that claimed they had no idea of the camps when the Americans showed up.

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I work in tech. It's full of liberals. Not a single person I know believed any of that.

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That's great but the people they support definitely did. This was a mainstream idea for that party in 2020. Trump supporters needed reeducation. People refusing the vax should lose their children. Both of those were said publicly by Dems in Congress. AOC said the one about reeducation and she's going to be on the stage in 2027 when they start figuring out who's the tallest midget for 2028. Yes the Republicans have their idiots in people like MTG but there's nobody on the Republican side of Congress advocating for reeducation camps for Democrats where we would teach them basic economics or taking away kids because their parents took them to drag shows. That's simply not how conservatives think. It is apparently how liberals think.

I guess the real point is if they don't believe in the things their party espouses why are they voting for them? Look at people like Bret Weinstein who has publicly rebuked the Democrats as being extreme in the censorship efforts among other things.

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Useless post is useless. Say something useful or don't post. Tell me where I'm wrong. Tell me about republican leaders that have talked about sending liberals to reeducation camps or seizing their kids. Please. We're all ears.

The same way a lot of people these days back the current Republican party. You might call them RINOs.

I don't love everything the Democratic party does, and I think they're just as much a bunch of slimeballs as every politician. But TO ME, they're still "better than the alternative." Most people feel the same way on the other side. Not necessarily on this particular board, but the average voter. They might not love President Trump, but to them he's better than the alternative.

Both of our extremes are unhinged. Both of our representatives don't represent the majority constituents, only the loudest. I wake up everyday, go to work, come home and take care of my family just like a lot of people do.

Now someone will probably come in shortly and try to grill me or point out this or that, and frankly that's fine. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind and I don't care that some anonymous person on the internet thinks I'm wrong.

A difference in fundamental beliefs can't be reconciled. In the past, we could tolerate the differences but respectfully disagree. Now we're conditioned (if you consume any media at all) to outright hate each other. You might say I'm conditioned to believe all republicans are bigots and racists (untrue), and you might be conditioned to believe that I want to let every single illegal immigrant come in without consequence (also untrue). Intolerance of other people's beliefs is what I personally think is tearing apart America. And again, someone will be by shortly to tell me I'm wrong I'm sure, but you asked and this is where I ended up.

You'd call me extreme. I'm a STAUNCH believer in the Constitution. Radical, I know.

Maybe I would. I imagine we'd lose about the same amount of sleep over it too.

We are on the tail end of Good times create weak men, in the cycle.

You would call me extreme despite the fact that I haven't changed a political position in 40 yearss, except I'm more anti war now.

You are so violently radical left that your perspective is completely distorted. You consider those on the opposite side radical because of YOUR radical shift to.the left.

Making a lot of assumptions there. The Democratic has absolutely gone way off to the left, further than I'd like. You're telling me I'm violently radical but I haven't given my opinion on any specific issues, just you knowing I didn't vote for President Trump already has you stating I'm violently radical. I appreciate you proving the point well.

There are very few people on here that I'd say are actually extreme in the way that I personally believe. There are a lot of people who are very passionate and staunch in their beliefs, I don't have an issue with that or their beliefs.

Now if you believe lizard people are in control of our government... you might fall under what I'd call unhinged and again, if you have a problem with that. By all means, have a problem with that if you like.

Have a good night, I'll drop by again in a few weeks. Usually lurker, as I have for the last decade. Not here to fight. Not here to change minds. I enjoy the discourse and trying to keep things in perspective. A lot of good posters here that I enjoy seeing.

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Making a lot of assumptions there. The Democratic has absolutely gone way off to the left, further than I'd like. You're telling me I'm violently radical but I haven't given my opinion on any specific issues, just you knowing I didn't vote for President Trump already has you stating I'm violently radical. I appreciate you proving the point well.

There are very few people on here that I'd say are actually extreme in the way that I personally believe. There are a lot of people who are very passionate and staunch in their beliefs, I don't have an issue with that or their beliefs.

Now if you believe lizard people are in control of our government... you might fall under what I'd call unhinged and again, if you have a problem with that. By all means, have a problem with that if you like.

Have a good night, I'll drop by again in a few weeks. Usually lurker, as I have for the last decade. Not here to fight. Not here to change minds. I enjoy the discourse and trying to keep things in perspective. A lot of good posters here that I enjoy seeing.

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If the person driving a bus is drivng you off tye cliff, either throw them out of the driver's seat and take the wheel ( a la Donaldus Magnus) or get off the bus. Any of those on the Democrat bus who have the courage to point out that it's headed over a cliff get the Zell Miller treatment. There is no dissent to the party's most radical position tolerated in the Democrat party as proven by the complete absence of any pro-life Democrats in Congress. A few used to proclaim that they were pro-life but supported the "right to choose" to abort a baby. Now they would get primaried if they even slip up and refer to a baby rather than a clump of cells.

I like to ask people who vote either way what they're voting FOR. "Lesser of two evils" is a terrible way to run a country but that's how most of us vote. My question for you then is what part of the Democrat platform do you vote FOR? Likewise what part of the Republican platform do you not like?

Serious questions. Not trying to set you up though we both know you're gonna get varying degrees of pushback to your answers here. Still what do you believe in?

I agree it is a terrible way to vote. Heading to the polls when you know there is no one who comes close to representing you is... but I'm used to knowing my vote means nothing. Texan born and raised, and have voted since I could.

To answer your question, and I will absolutely be destroyed for doing it, but you are one of those I do respect around here.

Republican: Trimming the fat in Federal Government. Harder line on immigration. U.S. budget and debt relief. Cutting aid overseas and removing ourselves from unecessary conflicts. As many are well aware, there is varying degrees of success here, and as always promises we hope will be kept but won't be. I may not agree with the specific methods, but understand that something has to be done.

Why I don't vote Republican: I'll keep it simple. Religion, Environment, Abortion, Science denial, Welfare programs/assistance for those in need.

My biggest one is freedom of religion and freedom from religion. I don't want ANY religion behind policy making or laws anymore than you want satanism taught in schools. It is a choice made by families in their homes, taught to their children by their church leaders and families. It has no business dictating policy at a national level. For some people this stance is tantamount to announcing I believe nothing should be illegal because they can't understand how someone can be a good person without God looking over their shoulder or a book telling them how to behave.

The beauty of this country, to me, is the tapestry of cultures, traditions and beliefs that have been brought here and the freedom to express them. Even when, especially when, they differ from mine.

Let the roast commence, I guess.

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I'm curious how you define unhinged. To me, unhinged is simply not worthy of serious discussion. Your point of lizard people is a good example.

I am thinking that for the Republican side of things, someone like MTG is generally considered an extreme. I don't have much of an opinion on her, but I can't say I recall her espousing truly evil things that Democrats have advocated for in recent years.

These days, Democrats are 100% an echo chamber led by the loudest and most shrill among them. They are monolithic. They have gone full communist at the behest of ass clowns like AOC, the brother f-er, and others. If this was still the Democrat Party of old, there would be a large number of their members telling these communist rat ****s to shut the hell up, but they are so beholden to the alphabet morons, the Muslims, and any other group(s) that have even the slightest inkling of "hate Christians" and "hate white people" in them (no matter that there are many whites in the Democrat Party) that the members who should be yelling shut the hell up just sit on their hands and remain silent.

Democrats want to take all of my money and give it to worthless ****s who refuse to work for their own. Democrats would be happy if they saw me hauled away to some camp for "re-education".
Democrats would be happy if my kids were taken from me as I refused to allow them to be a science experiment for an unproven "vaccine".
Democrats would be happy to throw me in jail with no trial and take my kids away if I dared to oppose allowing mentally ill males into the same locker room with my daughter.

I cannot recall any Republicans standing for anything like this.

Great response. Thank you. Addressing your reasons for not voting Republican

Religion - generally agree here. The Founders envisioned a moral society and a moral people and self governance doesn't work without a basic level of morality but they didn't create a Church of America and I think morality can come from a number of places.

Abortion - the core difference here is in whose rights matter most. Republicans argue that once you've created a new life they have rights and it's no longer just the mother's choice. The most simple answer here is don't get pregnant. It's worth noting than 30 years ago prominent Democrats publicly stated that abortion should be rare but they would never define that. My core frustration with Democrats on this topic is that Roe v Wade was always a poor way of handling this issue. RBG agreed with that sentiment. If you want a national policy pass a law. This was never the purview of the SCOTUS. Clinton and Obama could have lead the way towards protecting access and it would been solved forever if they wanted to. Democrats seem to want to keep this issue as a political football rather than taking a stance and passing laws accordingly. The loss of abortion access in the wake of Roe being overturned is a direct consequence of poor leadership from the Democrats.

Environment - The environment has become a club for government to force unpopular policies on the public, results be damned. Part of why California's fires were so devastating this year is because of poor water management policies due to prioritizing environmental issues above public safety. That's not good governance. The silly system that makes cars turn off at intersections has shown zero impact on fuel efficiency but it is bad for your engine. My point is results matter and a significant amount of what the environmental movement forces on us has shown poor results. Now add in their abysmal track record with dire predictions tied to global warming and for much of the right they've become the boy who cried wolf.

Science denial - what passes for science has changed. It started changing when the sugar lobby bought a study showing sugar and as healthy and fat was bad. Then we had government buying studies showing red meat and fossil fuels were going to kill everyone. It reached peak absurdity when President Obama proclaimed "the science is settled" which is literally not how science works. What passed for science during COVID should be criminal. The point is "science" has ruined its reputation. Actions matter and when you use science to force compliance with policy we know will fail then it fails, that's not my fault. Results matter and the results here are awful.

Welfare programs/assistance for those in need - there's an argument to be made that welfare destroys lives. Look at how black America and black families have changed since 1965. The #1 predictor of an individual finishing HS and getting off to a good start is a father in the home. In 1965 black kids lived in two parent homes at an 85% rate, higher than any other demographic. Now? 30%. The welfare state literally rewards out of wedlock children. That's not good for those individuals nor society at large. It's simply not. My sister has a significant case of MS and is 100% disabled. My BIL is 100% VA disabled because in his words "4 AK 47 rounds and shrapnel from an RPG will do that to you". Neither is even allowed to work and they live hand to mouth on their disability payments. Meanwhile I pay more in taxes than they collect in disability and I can't hire them because it would hurt their benefits. That doesn't even address the bottomless pit of fraud that is pervasive in these programs. People respond to incentives and welfare incentivizes all the wrong things. There are people that legitimately need help but we've spent $40T on entitlements since 1965 and the poverty rate is unchanged. Results matter.

Ok, that was a lot but I appreciate the honest discourse. I vote based on three amendments. The 1st, 2nd and 16th. For me those three define freedom and IMO the Democrats don't believe in the 1st as evidence by the efforts to use government force to drive censorship of conservatives on social media, they openly oppose the 2nd and they want to manipulate the 16th to the max to take as much of my money as they can.

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I'm curious how you define unhinged. To me, unhinged is simply not worthy of serious discussion. Your point of lizard people is a good example.

I am thinking that for the Republican side of things, someone like MTG is generally considered an extreme. I don't have much of an opinion on her, but I can't say I recall her espousing truly evil things that Democrats have advocated for in recent years.

These days, Democrats are 100% an echo chamber led by the loudest and most shrill among them. They are monolithic. They have gone full communist at the behest of ass clowns like AOC, the brother f-er, and others. If this was still the Democrat Party of old, there would be a large number of their members telling these communist rat ****s to shut the hell up, but they are so beholden to the alphabet morons, the Muslims, and any other group(s) that have even the slightest inkling of "hate Christians" and "hate white people" in them (no matter that there are many whites in the Democrat Party) that the members who should be yelling shut the hell up just sit on their hands and remain silent.

Democrats want to take all of my money and give it to worthless ****s who refuse to work for their own. Democrats would be happy if they saw me hauled away to some camp for "re-education".
Democrats would be happy if my kids were taken from me as I refused to allow them to be a science experiment for an unproven "vaccine".
Democrats would be happy to throw me in jail with no trial and take my kids away if I dared to oppose allowing mentally ill males into the same locker room with my daughter.

I cannot recall any Republicans standing for anything like this.

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I will answer with what I feel are the unhinged for my own party. "Republicans are racist, bigots, all want to arrest anyone who isn't white. All want to keep white men in power. Trans men/women are men/women and if you disagree you're hateful, God isn't real."

As for the rest, nothing I can type will change your mind - not that I seek to. But my thoughts on each of your points are

1. Societal safety nets should exist for people who meet the qualifications, and people who take advantage of it should be prosecuted. Needs to be better enforced, stop focusing on overseas aid and overhaul the system for our own people.
2. You say re-education camp (sorry I must've missed this particular current talking point), I say Sunday mass. Freedom to have our own beliefs and live by our own morals is something I might've mentioned once or thrice.
3. I patently disagree with forcing people to vaccinate against their wishes so they could work, serve in the military, or otherwise.
4. This one is a lot, but for me it boils down to a trans woman/man (while I don't personally approve of the trans men/woman ARE men/women things a lot of people say - they aren't imo) is no more a threat than a man dressed as a man who is a predator. Predators are predators, no matter how they're dressed. Whether it's on a priest or a drag queen. Under 18, you're your assigned sex at birth. Beyond that, ain't my business.

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I'm curious how you define unhinged. To me, unhinged is simply not worthy of serious discussion. Your point of lizard people is a good example.

I am thinking that for the Republican side of things, someone like MTG is generally considered an extreme. I don't have much of an opinion on her, but I can't say I recall her espousing truly evil things that Democrats have advocated for in recent years.

These days, Democrats are 100% an echo chamber led by the loudest and most shrill among them. They are monolithic. They have gone full communist at the behest of ass clowns like AOC, the brother f-er, and others. If this was still the Democrat Party of old, there would be a large number of their members telling these communist rat ****s to shut the hell up, but they are so beholden to the alphabet morons, the Muslims, and any other group(s) that have even the slightest inkling of "hate Christians" and "hate white people" in them (no matter that there are many whites in the Democrat Party) that the members who should be yelling shut the hell up just sit on their hands and remain silent.

Democrats want to take all of my money and give it to worthless ****s who refuse to work for their own. Democrats would be happy if they saw me hauled away to some camp for "re-education".
Democrats would be happy if my kids were taken from me as I refused to allow them to be a science experiment for an unproven "vaccine".
Democrats would be happy to throw me in jail with no trial and take my kids away if I dared to oppose allowing mentally ill males into the same locker room with my daughter.

I cannot recall any Republicans standing for anything like this.

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I will answer with what I feel are the unhinged for my own party. "Republicans are racist, bigots, all want to arrest anyone who isn't white. All want to keep white men in power. Trans men/women are men/women and if you disagree you're hateful, God isn't real."

As for the rest, nothing I can type will change your mind - not that I seek to. But my thoughts on each of your points are

1. Societal safety nets should exist for people who meet the qualifications, and people who take advantage of it should be prosecuted. Needs to be better enforced, stop focusing on overseas aid and overhaul the system for our own people.
2. You say re-education camp (sorry I must've missed this particular current talking point), I say Sunday mass. Freedom to have our own beliefs and live by our own morals is something I might've mentioned once or thrice.
3. I patently disagree with forcing people to vaccinate against their wishes so they could work, serve in the military, or otherwise.
4. This one is a lot, but for me it boils down to a trans woman/man (while I don't personally approve of the trans men/woman ARE men/women things a lot of people say - they aren't imo) is no more a threat than a man dressed as a man who is a predator. Predators are predators, no matter how they're dressed. Whether it's on a priest or a drag queen. Under 18, you're your assigned sex at birth. Beyond that, ain't my business.

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The problem here is that domestic entitlements are 2/3 of our total spending. You mentioned in your earlier post that you supported trimming the fat and dealing with the debt, that is not possible without aggressively addressing entitlements. Entitlements should only make up a small percentage of our total budget (like less than 10%) and should be extremely vetted and not available but for a short duration per recipient. Families and charities must fill the gap. This is not, nor should it be a core government function.

I completely support religious freedom as I am a free speech absolutist. 2nd amendment too.

In my opinion, 2 worldviews essentially differentiate the two sides. Individualism vs collectivism and man is naturally evil vs. naturally good. I skew heavily to the individualism side of the equation as opposed to the collectivist side and believe that man's basic nature is evil.

A lot of what you say is common sense. Problem is, as many have stated on this thread, in response to my posts, elected Democrat officials tend to bend the knee to the far left - which does not align with common sense in any way.

There are ~50M registered democrats in the US. Most of them are not evil. Problem is, they've somehow been coerced into electing a bunch of extremist numbskulls.

Democrat leadership does everything the radical left wants. In other words, Democrat leadership IS the radical, marxist left. They stand for nothing decent. They wrecked the country throughout the Biden regime. Who was running the country?

Not a single "normal" democrat spoke up. Not a single "normal" democrat has uttered a peep about Obama setting the years-long attack on Trump's constitutional rights in motion.

The entire democrat party is a radical, fringe organization and it is antithetical to American values. Still waiting for any sort of condemnation. Voting democrat is an attack on America, no matter what someone claims their intentions are.

70% of those on the left said that people should be left on the street to die if they refused to take the vax and needed treatment from a medical facility.

This assertion about it being a few people on the left is bull*****

It's the Party of Hate, Violence and Destruction.

I know two veterans who graduated from Texas A&M and hate President Trump. One of them posted this:

If you support this regime, we are NOT friends, family, or anything. You do not meet my standards for basic human decency and are NOT worthy of my time or attention. Family included. The line is drawn…where do you stand?

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I know two veterans who graduated from Texas A&M and hate President Trump. One of them posted this:

If you support this regime, we are NOT friends, family, or anything. You do not meet my standards for basic human decency and are NOT worthy of my time or attention. Family included. The line is drawn…where do you stand?

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That sounds like the mentality of the friend group to whom Scott Adams referred that ostracized him based on their belief in hoaxes.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/07/24/scott_adams_obamas_russia_hoax_and_fine_people_lie_ruined_my_life_and_divided_america.html

> How can you be a modern day Marxist?

FIFY

"They don't like baby murdering so I'll vote to help us be communist"

The demonization of the other side from both ends has become extreme, in large part due to the influence on the internet. Yet still we are all way more alike than we are different.

Pretty clear that person is completely misinformed.

Still waiting for a single leftist to condemn what Hussein and his cabal have done.

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The demonization of the other side from both ends has become extreme, in large part due to the influence on the internet. Yet still we are all way more alike than we are different.

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Disagree. Democrats want people like this set free among us:

BOLO: QUANTICO GATE BREACHER https://t.co/1tybINZ8jS

— MISSION FIRST (@MISSION_FIRST_) July 27, 2025

Just one reason I will never, ever vote for a Democrat, and don't consider them 'more alike' than different, politically or in 'shared values.'

And, Democrats tried to imprison the leadership I voted for, and corrupted our judiciary/justice systems. I don't consider them simply an opposing party, but an enemy of the republic.
ETA: Democrats below:

Muslims in Brooklyn blocked a highway, exited their vehicles and began chanting, “globalize the intifada.”

This is who the left supports and let into the country for 4 years under Joe Biden, people who hate us. pic.twitter.com/bGkOPabdkb

— Liberacrat™️ (@Liberacrat) July 27, 2025

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Oh yeah. Insert the old "both sides do it.gif"

For voting for the only inkling of a resistance to the Marxist regime, as incompetent and helpless as they may be at times, we get vilified constantly. We aren't the same.

Typical dem is nothing like us. Exhibit A:

She seems nice.... pic.twitter.com/uUpCOoeWmH

— Brandon (@LibOrNormal) July 27, 2025

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I have nothing in common morally, ethically, philosophically or politically with modern liberals. Zero.

The last time I had anything in common with the left was during the Clinton era.

"Both sides do it" is a false equivalency fallacy. Ignoring degree, context, frequency and consequence is illogical.

The op question using "modern" is fair because today's democrat party is unrecognizable from your father's democrat party.

Things Bill Clinton said in 1996 are considered ultra maga extremist today

The embrace of things like censorship and wars is a far cry from the true definition of liberalism

The embrace of monopolies, especially in tech, is the opposite of the laborer / working man's party they used to be

And all the normies are considered evil, racist, fascist for not voting for the Marxist regime.