Best case, midterm wins. Legal accountability not likely

Whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork in the intelligence community could make things 'interesting' for many of the conspirators:

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This wasn't politicsit was a coup. And Gabbard says more is coming.

"Next week we will be releasing more detailed information about how exactly this took place and the extent to which this information was sought to be hidden from the American people," she said.

But the most explosive revelation? The dam may be breaking inside the Intelligence Community. After years of silence, people who saw this treachery unfold are starting to step forward.

"We have whistleblowers, actually, Maria, coming forward now, after we released these documents," Gabbard said. "There are people who were around, who were working within the Intelligence Community at this time, who were so disgusted by what happened. We are starting to see some of them coming out of the woodwork."

Gabbard says she's committed to handing over all evidence to the DOJ. "There must be indictments. Those responsible, no matter how powerful they are and were at that time… they all must be held accountable."

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No one is going to jail because this is (D) different. The dems pull this stuff all the time and no one goes to jail. Jail is for Republicans. I hope I'm wrong, but like Aggies don't win national championships, dems don't go to jail.

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Pam Bondi has all the indictments sitting on her desk as we speak.

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Which folder is on top, the Epstein file or the indictments?

democrats opened this can of rattlesnakes. Now they can have fun with it too.

nortex97 said:

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Whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork in the intelligence community could make things 'interesting' for many of the conspirators:

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This wasn't politicsit was a coup. And Gabbard says more is coming.

"Next week we will be releasing more detailed information about how exactly this took place and the extent to which this information was sought to be hidden from the American people," she said.

But the most explosive revelation? The dam may be breaking inside the Intelligence Community. After years of silence, people who saw this treachery unfold are starting to step forward.

"We have whistleblowers, actually, Maria, coming forward now, after we released these documents," Gabbard said. "There are people who were around, who were working within the Intelligence Community at this time, who were so disgusted by what happened. We are starting to see some of them coming out of the woodwork."

Gabbard says she's committed to handing over all evidence to the DOJ. "There must be indictments. Those responsible, no matter how powerful they are and were at that time… they all must be held accountable."

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I worry that the whistleblowers coming out now are setting Tulsi and Bondi up for a spectacular fall by feeding them stories that will deliberately fall apart under cross examination.

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I worry that the whistleblowers coming out now are setting Tulsi and Bondi up for a spectacular fall by feeding them stories that will deliberately fall apart under cross examination.

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Hence my caveat to be absolutely certain they have a strong factual case and settled legal precedent for the crimes being charged, if any.

Going to be hard topping Benny Johnson and Julie Kelly discussing how the Trump DOJ can now charge Obama, Clinton, and Biden operatives with seditious conspiracy. pic.twitter.com/zxsARn9reX

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) July 22, 2025

"Walls are closing in" never ends well.

"Worse than Watergate"

"Bombshell!"

"The walls are closing in"

For the regime media, the only thing lower than their credibility is their pathetic ratings. @newsbusters pic.twitter.com/Ubqjw7NJ5X

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) July 22, 2025

I wouldn't be surprised if the Mar A Log raid was about retrieving Russia Gate docs, not "nuclear secrets". Looks like Trump successfully preserved those docs.

You all know that just one good high ranking perp walk and Epstein is a distant memory. A handful of good high ranking perp walks and they will be erecting scaffolding in the Black Hills of SD.

Do we have intent to use force?

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You all know that just one good high ranking perp walk and Epstein is a distant memory.

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I don't think we will seen any high ranking people perp walked, but that said Epstein will be a distant memory by Labor Day. That story is d-e-a-d.

LOL, where did you get that? That definition of "Force" is hysterical!

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You all know that just one good high ranking perp walk and Epstein is a distant memory.

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I don't think we will seen any high ranking people perp walked, but that said Epstein will be a distant memory by Labor Day. That story is d-e-a-d.

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All it takes is an indictment. They won't be able to get away with another Kevin Clinesmith stunt. I think there will be an indictment or multiple indictments against someone just below White House level within the next year

Could be, but "within the next year" is a long time! Epstein will be LONG forgotten at that time!

Output from Grok, not sure which source those "Key Elements" came from.

Hopefully intent of physical force isn't necessary. Looks like other criteria is met.

Still think any convictions are probably process crimes, lying obstructing etc. Which would fitting considering thats been their MO as they flexed on Flynn and everyone else.

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Do we have intent to use force?

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Yes. For reference deadly force was (infamously) specifically authorized in the Mar a Lago dawn raid.

This was to prevent the execution of US election law(s), and actually hampered compliance with the presidential records act, contra the assertions of the national archivist et al. All three key elements were present, in the legalese language required.

Trump's arrest in Atlanta (and mugshot), as well as the 'trial' in NY he was compelled to participate in also were separate, complete components/acts of the same conspiracy, coordinated from Washington DC/the White House.

Still never going to happen...

Same as yesterday and same as tomorrow.

Im Gipper said:

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Could be, but "within the next year" is a long time! Epstein will be LONG forgotten at that time!

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I still think the Epstein thing is all just wolf bait for the left. Let them try to keep it alive and keep begging for him to release the files and then Bam! He releases them and then everybody's sad because it's either a nothing burger file or everybody else but Trump.

Arrest him if you have irrefutable "proof". I would bet a dollar to a donut with anyone on this stream Obama will never get arrested. That would require a grand jury to find it "more likely than not" that he committed treason.

Lol.

The Epstein file must be really bad! Trump is using his "in case of emergency break glass" diversion at this point as none of the others are working.

ie sugar coke, health issues, witch-hunt/hoax, suing the WSJ, releasing weapons to Ukraine, tariff actions, MLK files, etc.

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Arrest him if you have irrefutable "proof". I would bet a dollar to a donut with anyone on this stream Obama will never get arrested.

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I doubt a single person here believes that traitorous piece of crap will be arrested. But he DID commit sedition against Donald Trump and the American people.

Oh this crying POS

Former FBI Director James Comey lashes out at both President Trump and the DOJ after his daughter was fired for her role in two "failed" high-profile cases. pic.twitter.com/kcUzH3rsaM

— Fox News (@FoxNews) July 22, 2025

I hope Comey flushes out FBI traitors willing break the law to try to save his azz.

What a loser. Run it back with Kevin Clinesmith, make him snitch. We know he didnt randomly lie to FISA court on his own. How TF did he keep his law license after that?!

Comey was begging for attention on the beach.

He has it now.

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Output from Grok, not sure which source those "Key Elements" came from.

Hopefully intent of physical force isn't necessary. Looks like other criteria is met.

Still think any convictions are probably process crimes, lying obstructing etc. Which would fitting considering thats been their MO as they flexed on Flynn and everyone else.

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My understanding is that each and every element of the crime must be proven in order to convict. If the use of force is an element of the crime, then it must be proven.

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My understanding is that each and every element of the crime must be proven in order to convict

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As mentioned earlier, the Feds raiding his Mar A Lago property and jailing him in Atlanta should be considered "force", in the broad conspiracy against him.

FobTies said:

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As mentioned earlier, the Feds raiding his Mar A Lago property and jailing him in Atlanta should be considered "force", in the broad conspiracy against him.

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Do you have any citations to legal results that found conducting a search warrant on a residence in which nobody was harmed to be some form of force?

Also, I think that seditious conspiracy involves acts against the country, not against individuals. Trump was no longer even President at the time of the search warrant. How can that be considered to be an act against the United States?

Stop being even handed won't get you far here. It's all "good" or "bad" not dependent on actions but person.

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Do you have any citations to legal results that found conducting a search warrant on a residence in which nobody was harmed to be some form of force?

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You dont need physical "harm". They showed up with rifles drawn, thats armed "force".

If a gangster pulled a gun on you and demanded your wallet, would you tell the cops your weren't physically forced?

Seditious conspiracy or treason, probably unlikey. Id settle for jail time for lying under oath.

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eric76 said:

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Do you have any citations to legal results that found conducting a search warrant on a residence in which nobody was harmed to be some form of force?

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You dont need physical "harm". They showed up with rifles drawn, thats armed "force".

If a gangster pulled a gun on you and demanded your wallet, would you tell the cops your weren't physically forced?

Seditious conspiracy or treason, probably unlikey. Id settle for jail time for lying under oath.

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Rifles drawn?

Didn't the FBI notiy the Secret Service of the search warrant in a few hours in advance? Also, where was Trump at the time of the search? Just who did they allegedly draw rifles on and/or threaten?

I did look at some pictures from Mar-a-Lago that day, but it appeared that the only ones with rifles drawn were Secret Service.

FBI showed up with guns, ammo, and bolt cutters. I guess you can split hairs on what weapons were possessed and how they might have been carried.

Obviously there was cooperation, and no actual armed confrontation. When the armed feds show up unnanounced with a warrant and bolt cutters, that is generally characterized as governmental "force."

Whether Seditious Conspiracy charges will be brought making this "force" relevant or not, I have no idea.

At a minimum they should be convicted of lying to congress and the American people.

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FBI showed up with guns, ammo, and bolt cutters. I guess you can split hairs on what weapons were possessed and how they might have been carried.

Obviously there was cooperation, and no actual armed confrontation. When the armed feds show up unnanounced with a warrant and bolt cutters, that is generally characterized as governmental "force."

Whether Seditious Conspiracy charges will be brought making this "force" relevant or not, I have no idea.

At a minimum they should be convicted of lying to congress and the American people.

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Of course they were armed? Would you expect FBI agents on duty to not be armed?

Now you have me wondering who they threatened with bolt cutters.

It isn't at all difficult to find accounts of the FBI giving notice to the Secret Service. For a search warrant for anyone else, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no notice given in advance. But in that search at Mar-a-Lago, the news reports mention that notice was given.

For example, from https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-59de0ccd435db270d65f155a7bd9a60e

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In this particular case, execution of the warrant also included notifying the Secret Service detail that provides protection to the former president and his homes. A person familiar with the search told The Associated Press that the FBI reached out to the Secret Service shortly before serving the warrant.

Secret Service agents contacted the Justice Department and were able to validate the warrant before facilitating access to the estate, the person said.

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I assume that by "unannouinced" you mean that they didn't give notice that they were coming. It would make zero sense to think that it was some kind of no-knock search. You can bet that the Secret Service knew they were there and why they were there when they arrived.

No evidence to suggest the secret service received any advanced notice, other than same day, just prior to the raid. No one claimed it was a "no knock" warrant.