Chase paid the largest fine in US history and didn't deny anything.

That's not a link and I am not saying chase denied anything.

I don't mind looking at it but want to make sure I look at the right thing.

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Another letter from victims asking congress to release the files. Talks about increasing threats on their lives and other concerns.

Truly horrific where we are. Just release the god damned files.

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lol crazy to see you decry political violence. That's what your party is. It really took off when that pregnant woman robbing career criminal OD'd on enough fent to kill a circus elephant. Continues to be VERY one sided. And it's interesting that we have never seen you condemn it. Your biggest fear should be the right becoming half as violent and deranged as the left.

Do you condemn the out of control violence and chaos from the modern left, with no qualifiers? I don't think you can. It would be committing blasphemy/heresy.

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Has literally nothing to do with the topic of the thread but as usual you can't help yourself. Quick! Go on an unhinged rant about trans bathroom stuff and you'll have hit your straw man quota for the day.

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Another letter from victims asking congress to release the files. Talks about increasing threats on their lives and other concerns.

Truly horrific where we are. Just release the god damned files.

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lol crazy to see you decry political violence. That's what your party is. It really took off when that pregnant woman robbing career criminal OD'd on enough fent to kill a circus elephant. Continues to be VERY one sided. And it's interesting that we have never seen you condemn it. Your biggest fear should be the right becoming half as violent and deranged as the left.

Do you condemn the out of control violence and chaos from the modern left, with no qualifiers? I don't think you can. It would be committing blasphemy/heresy.

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Has literally nothing to do with the topic of the thread but as usual you can't help yourself. Quick! Go on an unhinged rant about trans bathroom stuff and you'll have hit your straw man quota for the day.

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Calling out blatant hypocrisy of fraudulent morally bankrupt leftists is not a derail. You're the party of intolerance, violence, hatred, bitterness, envy, destruction and death. And it's laughable for yall to lecture anyone on "political violence" or really anything. Just embrace it.

They paid more than this amount.

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/jpmorgan-admits-violation-bank-secrecy-act-failed-madoff-oversight-fined-461

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-and-fbi-assistant-director-charge-announce-filing-criminal

https://www.occ.treas.gov/news-issuances/news-releases/2014/nr-occ-2014-1.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reuters.com/article/business/decades-long-ties-to-madoff-cost-jpmorgan-26-billion-idUSBREA060JL/&ved=2ahUKEwi07u7amomRAxWxj-4BHVplLAMQFnoECD0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw377MhTy_yWGQ4hqoRa-mBh

https://www.nathanslaw.com/articles/bank-to-pay-almost-2-billion-civil-asset-forfeit/

Wonder what this does to the 8th & 9th graders who are now fully aware of who Epstein is and who is protecting pedos in honor of his memory. Can't be a great recruiting strategy for the GOP. Anybody have kids in this age range?

It's sad that the liberal troll brigade is notwresorting to just making things up since the continued release of files indicates quite the coziness between Epstein and members of congress with a D by their name.

If people think "GOP is the party of pedo protectors" is going to be a winning campaign message in 2026, then have at it. Even the average (un)intelligent voter knows this is projection.

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Is Bondi still protecting pedophiles?


Yep, appears so.

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It is very curious why she'd protect Dems and their donors. Total head scratcher.

Yeah this story is sinking fast. Turns out a bunch of Dems were in the files.

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Is Bondi still protecting pedophiles?


Yep, appears so.

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Ha! How long until tolerance of pedophilia becomes a part of the mainstream Dem agenda? Given the trajectory of the child trans movement I'd say 5-10 years tops.

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Yeah this story is sinking fast. Turns out a bunch of Dems were in the files.

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Which names have been released? Weird that the Trump admin would have blocked the release for so long if it was only filled with dems.

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Yeah this story is sinking fast. Turns out a bunch of Dems were in the files.

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Which names have been released? Weird that the Trump admin would have blocked the release for so long if it was only filled with dems.

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A big one was Larry Summers, formerly at Treasury and a past president of Harvard. Think this was known but his name reappeared in the new stuff. Others here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/11/22/who-is-in-epstein-emails/87355649007/

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Yeah this story is sinking fast. Turns out a bunch of Dems were in the files.

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Which names have been released? Weird that the Trump admin would have blocked the release for so long if it was only filled with dems.

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Weird that Trump would have already released 65,000 documents if he was "blocking the release"…

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Yeah this story is sinking fast. Turns out a bunch of Dems were in the files.

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Which names have been released? Weird that the Trump admin would have blocked the release for so long if it was only filled with dems.

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Weird that Trump would have already released 65,000 documents if he was "blocking the release"…

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And weird that none of those 65,000 files they've released so far included the supposed massive amount of democrats that keep being alluded to here. A cynic might think they only opened the new investigations right before finally telling republicans to vote for the bill so they could use it as an excuse to not release of all of the files, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

I already know, but it's quite entertaining to watch the libs get their knickers in a bunch saying Bondi and Trump are defenders of pedos.

Which is rich, because many said it was only about justice for the victims.

I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

Conspiracy theories and such aside, I think it would take some greatly obtuse thinking to declare that hose in these elite circles had no clue about Epstein. But there is a big difference between rumors, innuendo, suspicions and such and KNOWING what was going on to the point they could have made a public statement or asked for formal inquiries.

Acosta's recent testimony is an example of how what seems to be obvious evidence of atrocities becomes a near impossible challenge to prove in a criminal court.

Those hoping for a super-secret file cabinet with all the information neatly referenced and slam dunk criminal cases were not filed because of political influence… you are going to continue to be disappointed.

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I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

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Let's say you had heard about a prostitution ring or escort service involving teenage and barely legal girls, but had no hard proof. What do you do? Keep in mind, these exist all over Houston btw...probably hundreds of places were drunk mexicans and central americans can find a young sancha for the night. One could report suspected sex trafficking at pretty much any late night after-hours Cantina, which are all run by gangs or criminal enterprises.

I stay away from those places, I shun them, I criticize them. But I don't go down to the station and report them...does that make me a bad person? Or is that, for better or worse, inline with a more normal human interaction?

Now if these places were pimping out small children...obviously society would not have the stomach for that. But if you just heard through the grapevine that someone likes to bang 16-18 yr old girls, realistically, most people are just going to think "what a sicko/loser" and move on. BC it's out of sight-out of mine...and not on par with child rape.

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Now if these places were pimping out small children...obviously society would not have the stomach for that. But if you just heard through the grapevine that someone likes to bang 16-18 yr old girls, realistically, most people are just going to think "what a sicko/loser" and move on. BC it's out of sight-out of mine...and not on par with child rape.

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Careful, you will be labeled a pedo defender for bringing up such distinctions. I merely referenced that Texas law makes such distinctions and the usual brigade lambasted from their lofty pillars about how even mentioning such a distinction means you like to diddle kids.

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Now if these places were pimping out small children...obviously society would not have the stomach for that. But if you just heard through the grapevine that someone likes to bang 16-18 yr old girls, realistically, most people are just going to think "what a sicko/loser" and move on. BC it's out of sight-out of mine...and not on par with child rape.

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Careful, you will be labeled a pedo defender for bringing up such distinctions. I merely referenced that Texas law makes such distinctions and the usual brigade lambasted from their lofty pillars about how even mentioning such a distinction means you like to diddle kids.

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Yep, if you think adults having sex with a 4 yr old is ANY worse than adults having sex with 16-17 yr olds (whcih is very bad), the flaming leftists will label you a pedo sympathizer. Don't care. They've been blasting me for this take all over this thread, don't care. They are mentally ill.

Party of family values performing mental gymnastics to justify 60-something-year-old men having intercourse with high school sophomores/juniors will never not be funny.

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I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

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Let's say you had heard about a prostitution ring or escort service involving teenage and barely legal girls, but had no hard proof. What do you do? Keep in mind, these exist all over Houston btw...probably hundreds of places were drunk mexicans and central americans can find a young sancha for the night. One could report suspected sex trafficking at pretty much any late night after-hours Cantina, which are all run by gangs or criminal enterprises.

I stay away from those places, I shun them, I criticize them. But I don't go down to the station and report them...does that make me a bad person? Or is that, for better or worse, inline with a more normal human interaction?

Now if these places were pimping out small children...obviously society would not have the stomach for that. But if you just heard through the grapevine that someone likes to bang 16-18 yr old girls, realistically, most people are just going to think "what a sicko/loser" and move on. BC it's out of sight-out of mine...and not on par with child rape.

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Most people are not hopping on a private jet to a secluded island where this is taking place. Sorry but I think your analogy doesn't hold weight.

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Conspiracy theories and such aside, I think it would take some greatly obtuse thinking to declare that hose in these elite circles had no clue about Epstein. But there is a big difference between rumors, innuendo, suspicions and such and KNOWING what was going on to the point they could have made a public statement or asked for formal inquiries.

Acosta's recent testimony is an example of how what seems to be obvious evidence of atrocities becomes a near impossible challenge to prove in a criminal court.

Those hoping for a super-secret file cabinet with all the information neatly referenced and slam dunk criminal cases were not filed because of political influence… you are going to continue to be disappointed.

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I don't have a lot of hope any of them will get the justice that should be coming - people at that level of society just get away with a lot more than what normal people do. But I'd accept public shaming like Prince Andrew and Summers.

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Party of family values performing mental gymnastics to justify 60-something-year-old men having intercourse with high school sophomores/juniors will never not be funny.

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People demonstrating a lack of reading comprehension & understanding of an opposing argument are even more amusing. At least until you realize that they're purposely reframing other's words to promote an agenda. The latter just annoys anyone with the least little bit of critical thinking skills.

Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

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Let's say you had heard about a prostitution ring or escort service involving teenage and barely legal girls, but had no hard proof. What do you do? Keep in mind, these exist all over Houston btw...probably hundreds of places were drunk mexicans and central americans can find a young sancha for the night. One could report suspected sex trafficking at pretty much any late night after-hours Cantina, which are all run by gangs or criminal enterprises.

I stay away from those places, I shun them, I criticize them. But I don't go down to the station and report them...does that make me a bad person? Or is that, for better or worse, inline with a more normal human interaction?

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If you actually know of wrongdoing and trafficking at those places and don't report them… then I'd say yeah, you are a bad person if you don't report wrongdoing. But what you've ultimately just described is a situation where you THINK there's wrongdoing being done.

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I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

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Let's say you had heard about a prostitution ring or escort service involving teenage and barely legal girls, but had no hard proof. What do you do? Keep in mind, these exist all over Houston btw...probably hundreds of places were drunk mexicans and central americans can find a young sancha for the night. One could report suspected sex trafficking at pretty much any late night after-hours Cantina, which are all run by gangs or criminal enterprises.

I stay away from those places, I shun them, I criticize them. But I don't go down to the station and report them...does that make me a bad person? Or is that, for better or worse, inline with a more normal human interaction?

Now if these places were pimping out small children...obviously society would not have the stomach for that. But if you just heard through the grapevine that someone likes to bang 16-18 yr old girls, realistically, most people are just going to think "what a sicko/loser" and move on. BC it's out of sight-out of mine...and not on par with child rape.

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Most people are not hopping on a private jet to a secluded island where this is taking place. Sorry but I think your analogy doesn't hold weight.

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Who did this and witnessed statutory rape or pedophilia? Yeah, if anyone was involved and aware to this level, they should, at the very least, be fully exposed to the world.

Is it possible that maybe at times there could have been some more "normal" or "mainstream" events at the island, or elsewhere, that were legitimate adult parties/gatherings that didn't involve open/known sex orgies or teenage rape?

I am sorry, I think it is Q-Anon level reaching to believe people Katie Couric saw heads of state shuffling young women or little girls/boys from room to room for sex and were just cool with it. I think at some point we have to realize that our imaginations have run wild for some time now and that none of us really KNOW anything. All we can hope for is that justice is served for those who were involved in any way in any disgusting and perverted criminal activity. Don't care who is brought down...Clinton, Trump, Hollywood weirdos, foreign royalty etc etc.

Clinton getting a shoulder massage from Guthrie at an FBO is pretty suggestive though. Has he ever provided an explanation for such?

Remember Andrew's downfall started with a picture and kept building from there.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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I am entirely convinced that all this Epstein stuff involves a lot of people that the powers to be do not want leaked. And honestly I do not think we will ever know the truth. But one thing that I am convinced about is that even if people like Clinton and Trump were not participating in this underage trafficking, they knew about it. You just don't run in those circles and not know that is going on, especially with the magnitude that was taking place. It is just a game to these ultra elitists and unfortunately for the most part they are able to get away with it. A lot of sick people out there apparently.

ETA. Two other things that I am convinced of is that neither Jeffery Epstein or Virginia Giuffre killed themselves.

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Let's say you had heard about a prostitution ring or escort service involving teenage and barely legal girls, but had no hard proof. What do you do? Keep in mind, these exist all over Houston btw...probably hundreds of places were drunk mexicans and central americans can find a young sancha for the night. One could report suspected sex trafficking at pretty much any late night after-hours Cantina, which are all run by gangs or criminal enterprises.

I stay away from those places, I shun them, I criticize them. But I don't go down to the station and report them...does that make me a bad person? Or is that, for better or worse, inline with a more normal human interaction?

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If you actually know of wrongdoing and trafficking at those places and don't report them… then I'd say yeah, you are a bad person if you don't report wrongdoing. But what you've ultimately just described is a situation where you THINK there's wrongdoing being done.

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And I am saying, WHAT IF there are a lot of people who didn't know what Epstein was really doing? Or to what degree. I can't stand Katie Couric, but using her as an example, after hearing her potentially named...what if she didn't know that some men were doing bad things behind closed doors and just thought it was cool to play socialite and go to extravagant parties with the elite. "A freaking private island? Sure, I'm in!"

I just don't know that thousands of people knew exactly what was going on and swore some super top secret pact to never disclose it. I would not be surprised if there are hundreds of people who have been on certain flights, or even on that island, who are completely innocent and oblivious to any wrong doing. And then maybe some who only heard rumors.

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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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flown-the-coop said:

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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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Yeah, that's way too much smoke. He was almost certainly up to some really bad sh**...numerous times.

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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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Yeah, that's way too much smoke. He was almost certainly up to some really bad sh**...numerous times.

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And Clinton denied ever going to Pedophile Island but in the documentary the guy they interviewed that worked on the island doing telecom work said Clinton was definitely there. Really no reason for him to make that up.

Y'all are correct that we are never going to get a filing cabinet with information we can use to hold the sex crime perpetrators accountable and that is awful to admit for the young women and girls who were abused. Our Country knowingly and willingly failed them in the name of money, power, and foreign interests.

What we still should be able to obtain if the deep state (Obama admin, Biden admin, Trump admin, and intelligence agencies) weren't going to stonewall this until it fades from memory is the means in which Epstein gained his influence, power, and connections. I can guarantee you that the FBI, CIA, and DOJ at one point knew everything about Jeffrey Epstein that there ever was to know. I'm a nobody and I guarantee you if I became important enough they would have a novel of information written about my life overnight.

If we got just 10% of that information we would be able to publicly emberrass them so badly that they would all fade into obscurity the way that Prince Andrew and Larry Summers are going to. That is why we need this to keep going. We need to run the rats off of the ship, that's atleast what MAGA used to believe in or so I thought. Apparently it is just the same Left vs Right as it always has been and why nothing will ever change.

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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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I cannot explain it. I am stating that he has not been SHOWN to have gone to Epstein Island, but I suspect to your point and others there is simply too much smoke.

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Clinton getting a shoulder massage from Guthrie at an FBO is pretty suggestive though. Has he ever provided an explanation for such?

Remember Andrew's downfall started with a picture and kept building from there.

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And I was mistaken, it wasn't Giuffre but another victim Chauntae Davies… 22 at the time of this photo. Makes sense as the memo from the victims made reference to 22-yo.

New photos just came out with Epstein trafficking victim with Bill Clinton tonight's speaker at the DNC.

"Bill Clinton leans back and smiles while receiving neck massage from Epstein victim" pic.twitter.com/qETzGvs9pQ

— Luke Rudkowski (@Lukewearechange) August 18, 2020