flown-the-coop said:

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Yea, not on board with your Jade Helm analysis of Epstein.

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I bet you will be when a Democrat is back in office.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Yea, not on board with your Jade Helm analysis of Epstein.

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I bet you will be when a Democrat is back in office.

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why would it matter who is in office?

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FWTXAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Yea, not on board with your Jade Helm analysis of Epstein.

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I bet you will be when a Democrat is back in office.

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why would it matter who is in office?

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It doesn't matter who is in office, that's the entire point.

Politics are a charade for people who believe that these wealthy political actors on either side actually care about the common American. Anyone who has access to the internet should know believing in or even voting for these people makes literally zero difference and never will, because they aren't the ones making decisions.

[You can make your point without being disrespectful to others. Keep it up and take a break -- Staff]

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flown-the-coop said:

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FWTXAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Yea, not on board with your Jade Helm analysis of Epstein.

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I bet you will be when a Democrat is back in office.

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why would it matter who is in office?

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It doesn't matter who is in office, that's the entire point.

Politics are a charade for people who believe that these wealthy political actors on either side actually care about the common American. Anyone who has access to the internet should know believing in or even voting for these people makes literally zero difference and never will, because they aren't the ones making decisions.

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Well said. Hard to believe more people don't realize this

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FWTXAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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FWTXAg said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Yea, not on board with your Jade Helm analysis of Epstein.

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I bet you will be when a Democrat is back in office.

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why would it matter who is in office?

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It doesn't matter who is in office, that's the entire point.

Politics are a charade for people who believe that these wealthy political actors on either side actually care about the common American. Anyone who has access to the internet should know believing in or even voting for these people makes literally zero difference and never will, because they aren't the ones making decisions.

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Well said. Hard to believe more people don't realize this

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Probably because it is an extremely tough pill to swallow.

The truth hurts so much that some would rather believe the puppet show is real and as long as my team wins, everything will be fine.

The other team would be worse!

Less than 1% of the Epstein files have been released. Hmmm. It's almost as though the president is hiding something. He's still a convicted sex pest, btw.

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US justice department has released less than 1% of Epstein files, filing reveals

Federal law required majority of documents to be released by 19 December, but only 125,575 pages have been published

The Department of Justice has released less than 1% of the so-called Epstein files, a court filing has revealed, as Democrats step up criticism of the Trump administration's "lawlessness" for keeping records under seal.
The department conceded that only 12,285 documents, totalling 125,575 pages, relating to the disgraced financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epsteinhave been published to date, despite a federal law requiring the vast majority to be released by 19 December.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/06/epstein-files-release-justice-department

Hiding by providing the court it a 5-page update addressing the courts concerns on victim information.

The math of 1% seems to be based on 12k documents produced and the DOJ saying there may be up to 2 million POTENTIALLY responsive documents.

One of the outcomes of The Saint Massie Act is that is broadened the population of areas, departments, cases, etc that the DOJ must sort through, de-duplicate, review for victim information, impact on ongoing investigations, etc. The DOJ update in the article you linked goes through all this.

Or... Orange Man is a Sex Pest Pedo who is covering up for his billionaire pedo friends. Might as well believe Maduro had a copy of the Moscow hotel pee tape which is why Trump kidnapped him.

The biggest problem isn't they're missing the deadlines, it's what they're redacting.

They're citing the Privacy Act, and pretending it overrides a law we just passed. They also say they don't have to release internal deliberations, but our bill specifically says they must. pic.twitter.com/Y6lqR51n5i

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) January 8, 2026

DOJ has now missed their 2nd deadline, no justification for the redactions have been released.

Don't think Massie is the one that gets to decide which law supercedes.

Perhaps he and Ro can go back to bill writing class to handle nuances like this and to put mechanisms for enforcement.

They didn't, so they get what they get.

And this was predicted pages back when he proposed his worthless "Act"… they are going to just toddler around about redactions, did they get all the files, who is going to tell them what it means, then hearings to second guess every DOJ decision regarding Epstein for the past 20 years with each side giving hours of 5 minute speeches to badger witnesses and reclaim their time.

Good luck though. 2 more weeks and for sure they will get him.

🚨 JUST IN:

Reps. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna just told a federal court the DOJ cannot be trusted to release the full Epstein files.

They’re urging a judge to appoint an independent monitor to force disclosure, citing missing documents, improper redactions, and DOJ… pic.twitter.com/rFv6gpylUK

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) January 8, 2026

Edited to add below:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5680206-epstein-files-doj-compliance-khanna-massie/

More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

Massie is right on this and the national debt. Hope he makes everyone uncomfortable til they get resolved. Otherwise I'm generally good with where Trump's right is going these days

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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Nah...

Just yet another issue he votes lockstep with the Democrats on...

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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Nah...

Just yet another issue he votes lockstep with the Democrats on...

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Between Trump and Massie there is only one person who spent most of their life voting for and publicly supporting Democrats.

Aside from that Im not sure why him asking for this offends you so. All he is seeking is for the DOJ to comply with a law Trump signed.

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PaulsBunions said:

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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Nah...

Just yet another issue he votes lockstep with the Democrats on...

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Today's Republicans are just yesterday's democrats i guess

Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? And then that guy died mysteriously in a jail? And now we just don't talk about it.

— JD Vance (@JDVance) September 4, 2021

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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Nah...

Just yet another issue he votes lockstep with the Democrats on...

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Today's Republicans are just yesterday's democrats i guess

Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? And then that guy died mysteriously in a jail? And now we just don't talk about it.

— JD Vance (@JDVance) September 4, 2021

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I made my comments because of his history of votes. This is just the latest issue he's voted lock step with the Dems...

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More proof that Massie is actually a closet democrat...

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or the Republican leadership fumbled this issue so hard that even the Democrats can get it right lol

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Nah...

Just yet another issue he votes lockstep with the Democrats on...

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Today's Republicans are just yesterday's democrats i guess

Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? And then that guy died mysteriously in a jail? And now we just don't talk about it.

— JD Vance (@JDVance) September 4, 2021

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I made my comments because of his history of votes. This is just the latest issue he's voted lock step with the Dems...

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https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/thomas-massie

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/marco-rubio

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/lindsey-graham/

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/mike-johnson

Compare Massie"s record to some of Trump's new favorite people. Why have a so called conservative party when its ran by not so conservative people?

He ranks a zero on my America First score, so what's the point? Some ultra right wing rag gives him a grade because he votes with the Dems over some virtue signaling about the debt or a military authorization?

Voting with Ds is voting against Rs. Rs are the team and coach I voted for to fix the Biden debacles. Massie is against that effort.

Who cares what his flippin liberty score is. His actions, commentary and voting over the past year are at odds with the party in power and what most all of us voted for.

Massie is down to his last months as a congresss critter and he can go back to tinkering with a soldering iron.

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He ranks a zero on my America First score, so what's the point? Some ultra right wing rag gives him a grade because he votes with the Dems over some virtue signaling about the debt or a military authorization?

Voting with Ds is voting against Rs. Rs are the team and coach I voted for to fix the Biden debacles. Massie is against that effort.

Who cares what his flippin liberty score is. His actions, commentary and voting over the past year are at odds with the party in power and what most all of us voted for.

Massie is down to his last months as a congresss critter and he can go back to tinkering with a soldering iron.

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"Who cares if he votes conservatively he should be a party loyalist like the rest of the stooges"

This is how you got uniparty neocons running this country into the ground. No thanks.

Party loyalists equates to uniparty? Makes absolutely zero sense.

And actually, Massie saddling up to Ro & Friends to block the Trump agenda is way, way, way, way more uniparty like than voting for America First / Trump agenda.

Neocon was thrown in as a buzzword I guess cause it doesn't make much sense here either.

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This is how you got uniparty neocons running this country into the ground. No thanks.

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I wonder how many of these MAGA folks go to bed at night wondering what socialist positions they will be supporting in the morning in order to stay lockstep with whatever rambling Trump was spitting out on social media the night before.

Maybe one day they will realize it isn't folks like Massie who has changed, it is them.

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PaulsBunions said:

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This is how you got uniparty neocons running this country into the ground. No thanks.

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I wonder how many of these MAGA folks go to bed at night wondering what socialist positions they will be supporting in the morning in order to stay lockstep with whatever rambling Trump was spitting out on social media the night before.

Maybe one day they will realize it isn't folks like Massie who has changed, it is them.

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No, for the true believers, everyone else is the problem: CMs, TDS, radical left, or whatever label they can throw at non-believers over whatever Dear Leader says.

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This is how you got uniparty neocons running this country into the ground. No thanks.

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I wonder how many of these MAGA folks go to bed at night wondering what socialist positions they will be supporting in the morning in order to stay lockstep with whatever rambling Trump was spitting out on social media the night before.

Maybe one day they will realize it isn't folks like Massie who has changed, it is them.

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You know social media posts is not what leads to socialism right? Cause besides that, I have a hard time understanding what socialist positions Trump has been taking. Can you elaborate?

I want to be prepared as you and others have a keen insight into what new policy positions Trump will be coming out with and if I am going to lick boots I want to understand what they will be tasting like.

What is lazier than labeling folks as CM, TDS, etc? Saying things like lock step, dear leader, neocons, etc.

Massie is a flipping idiot. But if he is your idiot then have at it. But he not doing anything more valiant than driving clicks and campaign contributions. He is starting to make MTG look sane.

And let's spend a bit more time on "neocons", what is means, who it involves and why putting "neocon uniparty" is phraseology that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Neocons (neoconservatives) are a political movement, originally liberal Democrats disillusioned with the left, who shifted rightward, advocating for strong military, assertive democracy promotion, and interventionist foreign policy, supporting democracy globally, even with force, and emphasizing U.S. interests, with key figures like Irving Kristol shaping their pro-democracy, anti-communist stance. They favor individual liberty, free markets, and traditional values but are best known for their muscular foreign policy, supporting military action for national security and spreading democratic ideals, prominent under Reagan and Bush, especially post-9/11.

Core Beliefs & Ideology

Foreign Policy: Assertive, interventionist, promoting democracy and U.S. interests globally, using military force when necessary (e.g., Iraq, Afghanistan).

National Security: Strong military, preemptive action against threats, clear distinction between allies and adversaries.

Domestic Policy: Support for traditional values, free markets, individual liberty, but often critical of big government's social engineering.

Origins: Evolved from anti-Stalinist leftists in the 1960s, reacting to liberalism's perceived radical shift, embracing conservatism after "reality" challenged liberal ideals.

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No you could call Trump a neocon by many of these descriptions. But it puts him directly at odds with not only isolationist like Massie but the descriptions are not describing some uniparty as we know it. Do any Dem leaders these days support "individual liberty, free markets and traditional values"?

If folks are going to try and throw around buzz words, takes some time to understand the terminology.

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flown-the-coop said:

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He ranks a zero on my America First score, so what's the point? Some ultra right wing rag gives him a grade because he votes with the Dems over some virtue signaling about the debt or a military authorization?

Voting with Ds is voting against Rs. Rs are the team and coach I voted for to fix the Biden debacles. Massie is against that effort.

Who cares what his flippin liberty score is. His actions, commentary and voting over the past year are at odds with the party in power and what most all of us voted for.

Massie is down to his last months as a congresss critter and he can go back to tinkering with a soldering iron.

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"Who cares if he votes conservatively he should be a party loyalist like the rest of the stooges"

This is how you got uniparty neocons running this country into the ground. No thanks.

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No True Scotsman Fallacy.

What's this Sascha Riley stuff going around on X?

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What's this Sascha Riley stuff going around on X?

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A DUDE who claims to have recordings of Epstein trafficking HIM?

Yea, seems very legit. As in there must actually be nothing further in the Epstein files if this is what is driving things these days.

Could you not have linked or summarized what you saw? Seems trolly otherwise.

I'm not linking people to these. That's why I came here. I didn't start a new thread. I saw the name of r/Epstein and on X.

All I've heard is that he was 6 years old and he claims that his stepfather trafficked him to Epstein. I can't get any other information.

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I'm not linking people to these. That's why I came here. I didn't start a new thread. I saw the name of r/Epstein and on X.

All I've heard is that he was 6 years old and he claims that his stepfather trafficked him to Epstein. I can't get any other information.

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Do we know if Kevin Spacey, Tim Busfield and Rob Reiner were on the Epstein list? Cause they all seem to be into diddling young boys versus post-pubescent attractive females.

So regardless it was a post about rumor, unconfirmed or false information?

You mean like how the whole Epstein story broke in the first place?

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You mean like how the whole Epstein story broke in the first place?

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No.

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The Jeffrey Epstein story first broke in March 2005 when the family of a 14-year-old girl reported to the Palm Beach, Florida police that he had molested their daughter at his mansion. This initial report launched the first police investigation into his activities.

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This is well known. Friend of an Epstein girl was invited and the mom (or stepmom) found out.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-clinton-defies-congressional-subpoena-appear-jeffrey-epstein-probe.amp

What's Clinton hiding?

Trump doing the same old talk big talks and bold moves, hoping enough of them strung together will distract from his failures of delivering on this. Any leader who can't handle criticism is a weak leader, whether it's a shift manager or The President of the United States.