You clearly don't want these files to come out.

Truly bizarre.

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

PaulsBunions said:

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🚨NEW Statement from President Trump: pic.twitter.com/c06X1ojqYK

— Karoline Leavitt (@PressSec) November 20, 2025

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This is the behavior of an innocent person

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You clearly don't want these files to come out.

Truly bizarre.

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I want them to come out. All of them. Un-redacted. So that once again, all of you wackos on the left can be laughed at and made fun of once again.

Are any of you able to think critically even for a second? Your side was so obsessed with destroying Trump that you invented Russiagate, pee tapes, Stormy Daniels, mortgage fraud, the gravity of Jan. 6., etc, all made up and all manufactured to try and take him down.

Yet, all the while, the left, who has been in power over the previous four years, was apparently sitting on actual evidence of Trump being a pedo or protecting pedos or whatever you smooth brained imbeciles imagine in your liberal fantasy land reality.

And considering all of that, you are telling me that the powers that be on the left had an option of REAL, LEGITIMATE, tangible documentation (Epstein files) to bring down Trump but chose pee tapes and Russiagate instead? That was what they chose to run with instead of Epstein?

So ****ing stupid.

PaulsBunions said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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It's only political theatre now because Trump was swallowed by the Deep State

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He's covering for Netanyahu and AIPAC...not because they got eeem, but because he needs/wants Israel's current regime to remain stable during his presidency - for strategic reasons.

Unfortunately he's wrong. This needs to come to light and Israel (our closest and most important ally) needs to learn to stay tf out of our internal politics.

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You clearly don't want these files to come out.

Truly bizarre.

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I want them to come out. All of them. Un-redacted. So that once again, all of you wackos on the left can be laughed at and made fun of once again.

Are any of you able to think critically even for a second? Your side was so obsessed with destroying Trump that you invented Russiagate, pee tapes, Stormy Daniels, mortgage fraud, the gravity of Jan. 6., etc, all made up and all manufactured to try and take him down.

Yet, all the while, the left, who has been in power over the previous four years, was apparently sitting on actual evidence of Trump being a pedo or protecting pedos or whatever you smooth brained imbeciles imagine in your liberal fantasy land reality.

And considering all of that, you are telling me that the powers that be on the left had an option of REAL, LEGITIMATE, tangible documentation (Epstein files) to bring down Trump but chose pee tapes and Russiagate instead? That was what they chose to run with instead of Epstein?

So ****ing stupid.

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This point has probably been made in this thread a thousand times, neither party actually wanted the files to come out because it is likely some of their donors/supporters would be embarrassed. Trump could have scored a major victory over the Dems/Swamp and endorsed this legislation from the beginning. Instead he turned on Massie (who he endorsed in 2022) and MTG over the issue of transparency regarding pedophile elites.

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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Sadly, this may be correct.

Trump Approves the Epstein Files Release, but Some May Be Withheld - The New York Times

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Under the legislation, the Trump administration may withhold records that identify victims or include images of child sexual abuse, or are otherwise classified. The legislation also allows records to be withheld if they would jeopardize an active federal investigation.

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Inb4 a proliferation of new "investigations" this month. The Netanyahu government lives to play another day.

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“We’re not going to comment because now it’s a pending investigation” - Pan Bondi on the Epstein Files

It’s sad watching the people you trusted to divulge the truth about Epstein, to stand there on stage and obviously lie about Epstein. pic.twitter.com/QvoLMMie97

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) November 19, 2025

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Wow! Who could have ever seen that coming!!

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I guess everyone that actually read the bill or read an article about the bill.

So much theater with this and people getting all worked up and excited that we are going to see Clinton and/or Trump in handcuffs over it.

No, we won't.

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But I read its the biggest thing ever that these are being released! Was that wrong?

PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

I'm not trying to be mean or curt, I just am having a hard time trying to respond to this level of delusion kindly. You had high ranking people like Comey, Brennan, etc who were willing to lie under oath, perjure themselves and obstruct to advance their knowingly false Russiagate and other manufactured theories, exposing themselves to imprisonment and potential treason charges should they be caught.

Yet, your theory is that they were willing to do that and expose themselves and their families to save some donors from embarrassment?

My God dude.

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I'm not trying to be mean or curt, I just am having a hard time trying to respond to this level of delusion kindly. You had high ranking people like Comey, Brennan, etc who were willing to lie under oath, perjure themselves and obstruct to advance their knowingly false Russiagate and other manufactured theories, exposing themselves to imprisonment and potential treason charges should they be caught.

Yet, your theory is that they were willing to do that and expose themselves and their families to save some donors from embarrassment?

My God dude.

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Russiagate =/= Epstein. Seems like you haven't been paying attention to this thread and assume beliefs I don't have. Try rereading my post again, I'm talking about why the current admin didn't simply release the files from the beginning. Why do you think they don't want these files released?

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Redact everything but also provide a satisfactory explanation to the public on what they redacted*

PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Redact everything but also provide a satisfactory explanation to the public on what they redacted*

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*And the reasons will be all the ones already written directly into the law.

And most everyone that is not MTG or Massie will pretend anger but privately say, "Whew.". And move on.

YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Redact everything but also provide a satisfactory explanation to the public on what they redacted*

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*And the reasons will be all the ones already written directly into the law.

And most everyone that is not MTG or Massie will pretend anger but privately say, "Whew.". And move on.

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Guess we'll have to wait and see if the Trump DOJ does the right thing then won't we

I still just find it amazing that these libs are almost praying to Gaia that Trump and his associates are listed as being child rapists. When you bring up Clinton and any of his actual acolytes that were known to be connected to Epstein, the immediate shrug is followed with, "Well, he's not President, so, it doesn't matter."

We aren't dealing with people who think with any sort of common sense. You cannot debate insanity. Its insane to have watch the entire Obama 3.0 administration that told us Biden was competent and in charge, actually use the CIA and FBI against its GOP enemies, with Mar-A-Lago visits, indictments, and attempted assassinations of Trump, as they knew the Epstein Files couldn't actually get him. Trust us, anyone with two brain cells know they would have had him ASAP if that had any connection. But instead, they concocted the Death by Innuendo campaign, trying desperately to tie Trump to Epstein's victims without any validation. Meanwhile, back to Bill Clinton actually having a painting of himself in a blue dress at Epstein's home, while also appearing on his flight logs to Epstein Island 28 times, we just get the shrug and saying it's just a whataboutism to distract from Trump OBVIOUSLY being guilty because they want to FEEL that he's guilty, guilty of doing crimes of sexually assaulting underage girls, one of the worst crimes a man could commit. And they're PRAYING that it's true, because of reasons...(definitely not TDS at all).

In short, the Death by Innuendo plan is playing the Guilty by Innuendo plan they had with Russia, Russia, Russia. And tis the same Wile E. Coyote plan they concocted for #Metoo, which actually cost their senators, reps, journalists, and executives their jobs and livelihood way more than any GOP connected person, of which Trump never even got hurt, even after they got some old lady to make up some BS story that she was raped by Trump in the 80s and the stacked NY jury bought it from their DA and AG both clamoring for his guilt. TDS is stronger than any disease I've ever seen that hasn't eventually killed the patient.

Shills: Pedophiles need to go to jail! Release everything!

Justice Dept.: OK. Wait there's some new incriminating evidence. We're going to hold that back so it won't impede our investigation.

Shills: It's a coverup!

PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Redact everything but also provide a satisfactory explanation to the public on what they redacted*

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*And the reasons will be all the ones already written directly into the law.

And most everyone that is not MTG or Massie will pretend anger but privately say, "Whew.". And move on.

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Guess we'll have to wait and see if the Trump DOJ does the right thing then won't we

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Redact everything but also provide a satisfactory explanation to the public on what they redacted*

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*And the reasons will be all the ones already written directly into the law.

And most everyone that is not MTG or Massie will pretend anger but privately say, "Whew.". And move on.

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Guess we'll have to wait and see if the Trump DOJ does the right thing then won't we

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I'll be dead within the next 3 years of the Trump Admin? Somebody must have had me vaxxed

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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YouBet said:

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Eh, they'll have to write up justification for every single redaction. Courts outside the DOJ have copies of this stuff. They can try to redact but I think they will be found out.

Then they'll go to prison.

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Shills: Pedophiles need to go to jail! Release everything!

Justice Dept.: OK. Wait there's some new incriminating evidence. We're going to hold that back so it won't impede our investigation.

Shills: It's a coverup!

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Ah yes, a very honest and genuine summary of what has happened so far.

I expect that Cheney will be named as the mastermind behind this whole Epstein deal.

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techno-ag said:

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Shills: Pedophiles need to go to jail! Release everything!

Justice Dept.: OK. Wait there's some new incriminating evidence. We're going to hold that back so it won't impede our investigation.

Shills: It's a coverup!

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Ah yes, a very honest and genuine summary of what has happened so far.

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Thanks. I think so too.

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Eh, they'll have to write up justification for every single redaction. Courts outside the DOJ have copies of this stuff. They can try to redact but I think they will be found out.

Then they'll go to prison.

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Sure they will. Just like Hillary did.

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I'm not trying to be mean or curt, I just am having a hard time trying to respond to this level of delusion kindly. You had high ranking people like Comey, Brennan, etc who were willing to lie under oath, perjure themselves and obstruct to advance their knowingly false Russiagate and other manufactured theories, exposing themselves to imprisonment and potential treason charges should they be caught.

Yet, your theory is that they were willing to do that and expose themselves and their families to save some donors from embarrassment?

My God dude.

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Russiagate =/= Epstein. Seems like you haven't been paying attention to this thread and assume beliefs I don't have. Try rereading my post again, I'm talking about why the current admin didn't simply release the files from the beginning. Why do you think they don't want these files released?

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I will try this one more time, but then I'm at a loss as to how to get this through any clearer.

Let's say a starving man is presented two options. A **** sandwich (Russiagate) on a plate and a filet mignon (Epstein files) on a different plate.

Your side chose to eat the **** sandwich rather than the filet mignon. Why? Because the filet mignon doesn't exist. IF IT DID, that is what they would've eaten.

Juan Lee Pettimore said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Juan Lee Pettimore said:

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I'm not trying to be mean or curt, I just am having a hard time trying to respond to this level of delusion kindly. You had high ranking people like Comey, Brennan, etc who were willing to lie under oath, perjure themselves and obstruct to advance their knowingly false Russiagate and other manufactured theories, exposing themselves to imprisonment and potential treason charges should they be caught.

Yet, your theory is that they were willing to do that and expose themselves and their families to save some donors from embarrassment?

My God dude.

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Russiagate =/= Epstein. Seems like you haven't been paying attention to this thread and assume beliefs I don't have. Try rereading my post again, I'm talking about why the current admin didn't simply release the files from the beginning. Why do you think they don't want these files released?

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I will try this one more time, but then I'm at a loss as to how to get this through any clearer.

Let's say a starving man is presented two options. A **** sandwich (Russiagate) on a plate and a filet mignon (Epstein files) on a different plate.

Your side chose to eat the **** sandwich rather than the filet mignon. Why? Because the filet mignon doesn't exist. IF IT DID, that is what they would've eaten.

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Aint no way you think I'm a lib/Dem. Russiagate was verifiably a sham.

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It's only political theatre now because Trump was swallowed by the Deep State

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He's covering for Netanyahu and AIPAC...not because they got eeem, but because he needs/wants Israel's current regime to remain stable during his presidency - for strategic reasons.

Unfortunately he's wrong. This needs to come to light and Israel (our closest and most important ally) needs to learn to stay tf out of our internal politics.

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I'm well aware.

I'm sure there's some emberrassing information on him and some friends in there as well though. He wouldn't be fighting this hard for someone that wasn't himself, he's nowhere near that good of a leader or person.

Holy crap. I didn't realize that people still exist who deny Russia's support of Trump in 16. It's not a focus because it's not even in question.

The consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies and multiple congressional investigations is that the Russian government conducted a coordinated campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that many of the campaign's tactics were designed to benefit DonaldTrump's candidacy.
What the intelligence community concluded
Agency (2017)
Main findingOffice of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)
"The Russian government directed the influential online political propaganda campaign and the cyberintrusion operations against the U.S. election." The effort "favored" Trump and "disfavored" HillaryClinton.
CIA, NSA, FBI
All three agencies independently assessed that Russia's goal was to undermine public confidence in the election process and to boost Trump's chances.
Key components of the interference effort
Activity
DescriptionSocialmedia manipulation
The Internet Research Agency (IRA) created fake accounts, pages, and ads on platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram to spread divisive content and amplify proTrump narratives.
Cyberintrusions
Russianlinked groups (e.g., "CozyBear" and "FancyBear") hacked email accounts of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the campaign of HillaryClinton, then leaked the stolen material through outlets like WikiLeaks.
Targeted outreach
Russian officials (including the GRU) contacted state and local election officials, as well as U.S. political operatives, to explore ways to influence the election.
Congressional and Special Counsel investigations
Investigation
OutcomeMueller Report (2019)
Confirmed extensive Russian interference, detailed the methods above, and identified numerous contacts between Trumpcampaign officials and Russian individuals. It did not establish that the campaign conspired with Russia, but it did not exonerate the president on obstructionofjustice claims.
Senate Intelligence Committee (20202021)
Produced a fivevolume report confirming the intelligence community's assessment, describing the "extensive" nature of the interference, and noting that the campaign "benefitted" from the operation.
House Oversight & Judiciary hearings
Highlighted the same interference facts and examined the administration's response.
How much did it affect the election result?

• No definitive, quantifiable measurement exists of how many votes were shifted because of Russian actions.
• Analysts agree that the interference created a favorable environment for Trump by sowing discord, distracting the electorate, and providing free promotion of his campaign's messages.
• Some political scientists and pollsters argue that the effect was "significant enough to be a factor" but stop short of claiming it decided the election.

Summary

• Yes, a coordinated Russian effort aimed to help DonaldTrump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
• The methods included socialmedia propaganda, cybertheft of Democratic emails, and strategic outreach to U.S. officials.
• Investigations by U.S. intelligence agencies, the Special Counsel, and Congress have documented these actions and confirmed the intent to favor Trump.
• The precise impact on the final vote tally remains a subject of academic study and debate, but the consensus is that the interference was a real and material factor in the election environment

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Holy crap. I didn't realize that people still exist who deny Russia's support of Trump in 16. It's not a focus because it's not even in question.

The consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies and multiple congressional investigations is that the Russian government conducted a coordinated campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that many of the campaign's tactics were designed to benefit DonaldTrump's candidacy.
What the intelligence community concluded
Agency (2017)
Main findingOffice of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)
"The Russian government directed the influential online political propaganda campaign and the cyberintrusion operations against the U.S. election." The effort "favored" Trump and "disfavored" HillaryClinton.
CIA, NSA, FBI
All three agencies independently assessed that Russia's goal was to undermine public confidence in the election process and to boost Trump's chances.
Key components of the interference effort
Activity
DescriptionSocialmedia manipulation
The Internet Research Agency (IRA) created fake accounts, pages, and ads on platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram to spread divisive content and amplify proTrump narratives.
Cyberintrusions
Russianlinked groups (e.g., "CozyBear" and "FancyBear") hacked email accounts of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the campaign of HillaryClinton, then leaked the stolen material through outlets like WikiLeaks.
Targeted outreach
Russian officials (including the GRU) contacted state and local election officials, as well as U.S. political operatives, to explore ways to influence the election.
Congressional and Special Counsel investigations
Investigation
OutcomeMueller Report (2019)
Confirmed extensive Russian interference, detailed the methods above, and identified numerous contacts between Trumpcampaign officials and Russian individuals. It did not establish that the campaign conspired with Russia, but it did not exonerate the president on obstructionofjustice claims.
Senate Intelligence Committee (20202021)
Produced a fivevolume report confirming the intelligence community's assessment, describing the "extensive" nature of the interference, and noting that the campaign "benefitted" from the operation.
House Oversight & Judiciary hearings
Highlighted the same interference facts and examined the administration's response.
How much did it affect the election result?

• No definitive, quantifiable measurement exists of how many votes were shifted because of Russian actions.
• Analysts agree that the interference created a favorable environment for Trump by sowing discord, distracting the electorate, and providing free promotion of his campaign's messages.
• Some political scientists and pollsters argue that the effect was "significant enough to be a factor" but stop short of claiming it decided the election.

Summary

• Yes, a coordinated Russian effort aimed to help DonaldTrump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
• The methods included socialmedia propaganda, cybertheft of Democratic emails, and strategic outreach to U.S. officials.
• Investigations by U.S. intelligence agencies, the Special Counsel, and Congress have documented these actions and confirmed the intent to favor Trump.
• The precise impact on the final vote tally remains a subject of academic study and debate, but the consensus is that the interference was a real and material factor in the election environment

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"Exhibit A Your Honor"

NormanEH said:

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Holy crap. I didn't realize that people still exist who deny Russia's support of Trump in 16. It's not a focus because it's not even in question.

The consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies and multiple congressional investigations is that the Russian government conducted a coordinated campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that many of the campaign's tactics were designed to benefit DonaldTrump's candidacy.
What the intelligence community concluded
Agency (2017)
Main findingOffice of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)
"The Russian government directed the influential online political propaganda campaign and the cyberintrusion operations against the U.S. election." The effort "favored" Trump and "disfavored" HillaryClinton.
CIA, NSA, FBI
All three agencies independently assessed that Russia's goal was to undermine public confidence in the election process and to boost Trump's chances.
Key components of the interference effort
Activity
DescriptionSocialmedia manipulation
The Internet Research Agency (IRA) created fake accounts, pages, and ads on platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram to spread divisive content and amplify proTrump narratives.
Cyberintrusions
Russianlinked groups (e.g., "CozyBear" and "FancyBear") hacked email accounts of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the campaign of HillaryClinton, then leaked the stolen material through outlets like WikiLeaks.
Targeted outreach
Russian officials (including the GRU) contacted state and local election officials, as well as U.S. political operatives, to explore ways to influence the election.
Congressional and Special Counsel investigations
Investigation
OutcomeMueller Report (2019)
Confirmed extensive Russian interference, detailed the methods above, and identified numerous contacts between Trumpcampaign officials and Russian individuals. It did not establish that the campaign conspired with Russia, but it did not exonerate the president on obstructionofjustice claims.
Senate Intelligence Committee (20202021)
Produced a fivevolume report confirming the intelligence community's assessment, describing the "extensive" nature of the interference, and noting that the campaign "benefitted" from the operation.
House Oversight & Judiciary hearings
Highlighted the same interference facts and examined the administration's response.
How much did it affect the election result?

• No definitive, quantifiable measurement exists of how many votes were shifted because of Russian actions.
• Analysts agree that the interference created a favorable environment for Trump by sowing discord, distracting the electorate, and providing free promotion of his campaign's messages.
• Some political scientists and pollsters argue that the effect was "significant enough to be a factor" but stop short of claiming it decided the election.

Summary

• Yes, a coordinated Russian effort aimed to help DonaldTrump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
• The methods included socialmedia propaganda, cybertheft of Democratic emails, and strategic outreach to U.S. officials.
• Investigations by U.S. intelligence agencies, the Special Counsel, and Congress have documented these actions and confirmed the intent to favor Trump.
• The precise impact on the final vote tally remains a subject of academic study and debate, but the consensus is that the interference was a real and material factor in the election environment

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Did you just ask AI for that? Russiagate alleged Trump worked with the Russians which is verifiably false.

Sorry I guess i should have googled Russiagate. I didn't realize that term specifically means that Trump personally was involved with Russia. You're right, that's stupid.

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Sorry I guess i should have googled Russiagate. I didn't realize that term specifically means that Trump personally was involved with Russia. You're right, that's stupid.

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IIRC, the Russians approached a low level staffer on the 16 Trump campaign who happened to be working for the CIA. That staffer reported it to the Obama FBI, who told the CIA and was told "yes, we know hes working for us". The Obama FBI then told a judge "The CIA confirmed this Trump staffer works with the Russians" and received a warrant to spy on DJT for Obama.

Only one FBI employee was fired over this.

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lol. What does "narrowly tailored" mean? You can make that mean anything.

Irrelevant language.

This whole thing is a distraction at best the way the bill is written.

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Well they have to go back and tell the House/Senate why they redacted what they redacted, and there would be FOIA requests if they keep hiding it beyond that. Its pretty obvious this issue isn't going to go away if they wait it out too, public opinion is low for the administration on how they handled this whole debacle.

"Within 15 days of completion of the release required under Section 2, the Attorney General shall submit to the House and Senate Committees on the Judiciary a report listing:

(1) All categories of records released and withheld.

(2) A summary of redactions made, including legal basis.

(3) A list of all government officials and politically exposed persons named or referenced in the released materials, with no redactions permitted under subsection (b)(1)."

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Yes, but they are likely going to redact 95% of thousands of documents so this will get dragged out just like the JFK files. We and our kids will likely be dead before we get anything from this.

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Could be, that depends on Trump/Bondi at this point to follow the law as intended.

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The law, as written, gives them wide latitude to effectively redact everything. So how it was actually written doesn't match the intention and desires of most everyone on this thread.

Which is why you had everyone but 1 person vote for it. They all know they are protected by how it was written.

Theater.

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Eh, they'll have to write up justification for every single redaction. Courts outside the DOJ have copies of this stuff. They can try to redact but I think they will be found out.

Then they'll go to prison.

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Sure they will. Just like Hillary did.

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Wish she would so I could stop hearing the damn name. Bill "bubba" Clinton too



(Not really it's a joke)

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi-attorney-admits-altering-email-used-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

Carter Page was the staffer, this is the guy who lied to the FISA courts.