rgvag11 said:

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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Going to need you to back that up with actual evidence of the IDF hiding amongst the general population or operating out of civilian hospitals. If Hamas is intentionally operating out of civilian areas and the IDF, in specifically killing Hamas, kills civilians, that is the fault of Hamas.

You don't get to kill people and then hide behind civilians and say "you can't shoot me. There are civilians present."

Already provided proof that the IDF was using Palestinians as human shields.

ETA: And there are many well documented cases of the IDF firing upon unarmed civilians, as well. The ICC has documented the war crimes of Hamas and Israel.

Jewish folks need to wake up. We need to bring them under the MAGA umbrella. Notice I didn't say Republican umbrella. House and Senate Repubs need to prove themselves. No more of this uni-party crap. And there's a few on the Supreme Court that need to consistently fly straight.

This did it for me too. And the baby that they cooked in the oven. Absolutely horrific. I actually went from being sympathetic to both sides to firmly supporting the Israelis.

There was no baby in an oven.

What Hamas did was horrendous enough. Why lie?

I'm not lying. I saw it reported at the time.

RDV-1992 said:

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I'm not lying. I saw it reported at the time.

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If it's on TV it must be true. -Garfield

LOL

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There was no baby in an oven.

What Hamas did was horrendous enough. Why lie?

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Carrying water for Hamas is something.

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RDV-1992 said:

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I'm not lying. I saw it reported at the time.

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If it's on TV it must be true. -Garfield

LOL

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This can just as easily be thrown back at you. Your "support" for the IDF using human shields was a reporter saying "Palestinians said".

If the Palestinians said it, it must be true. They have never been known to lie.

LOL.

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rgvag11 said:

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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Going to need you to back that up with actual evidence of the IDF hiding amongst the general population or operating out of civilian hospitals. If Hamas is intentionally operating out of civilian areas and the IDF, in specifically killing Hamas, kills civilians, that is the fault of Hamas.

You don't get to kill people and then hide behind civilians and say "you can't shoot me. There are civilians present."

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And…imo, if you're a 'innocent' Palestinian civilian and you see guys carrying ak47 in your neighborhood, you know they're Hamas…..so if you decide to stay in that vicinity…..you accept the risk.

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rgvag11 said:

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RDV-1992 said:

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I'm not lying. I saw it reported at the time.

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If it's on TV it must be true. -Garfield

LOL

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This can just as easily be thrown back at you. Your "support" for the IDF using human shields was a reporter saying "Palestinians said".

If the Palestinians said it, it must be true. They have never been known to lie.

LOL.

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LOL. IDF personnel have already confirmed it.

I know, you don't care. Your side is good, and the other side is evil.

The lack of general cognition needed to come to this conclusion is astounding.

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The lack of general cognition needed to come to this conclusion is astounding.

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Yeah but the Poles do bad things, too.

This is how you sound to anyone with a functioning brain cell.

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It's wild to me that the most vocally pro-Palestine people I've ever met are consistently white, affluent, liberal women. Any of the actual Muslims I know are either indifferent or keep it to themselves. But if you want an earful? The AWFULs won't shut up about Palestine.

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Maybe they keep it to themselves because they will be called terrorists and threatened with deportation if they don't.

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makes sense

dims are bleeding heart liberals with no sense of personal responsibility or moral direction

libs see all the dead palestinians and blame the isrealis

they can not imagine nor do they care that palestinians brought this upon themselves

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The IDF has killed a lot of civilians in the last two years. There is a limit to what October 7th can be used to justify. Israel is losing support all over the world due to their own actions. They're giving have no one to blame but themselves.

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My earlier point, exactly.

The Palestinians crossed a line on October 7th. Watching that poor girl that was basically raped to death being paraded around naked on the back of a motorcycle while hundreds of Palestinians ecstatically cheered and spat on her is what did it for me. I said it back then: Israel needs to lay waste Gaza. It wasn't just a few terrorists that awful day. That was THE Palestinians that committed the barbarism.

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But Israel never crosses your line?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/world/video/idf-soldiers-throwing-bodies-west-bank-digvid

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Well, if the Palestinians say so (without any proof) it HAS to be true...

But, thanks for proving this thread correct...

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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One side targets civilians and cheer when it happens. One side doesn't.

Teslag said:

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rgvag11 said:

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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One side targets civilians and cheer when it happens. One side doesn't.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse about Israeli settlers?

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Teslag said:

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rgvag11 said:

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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One side targets civilians and cheer when it happens. One side doesn't.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse about Israeli settlers?

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And a goalpost move

Do you know what that means?

Yes it means you will keep shifting arguments and examples to defend the thug trash "Palestinians" at any cost.

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Teslag said:

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'Of course you can compare. Both sides are killing non-combatants, women and children. Both sides are using people as human shields. It's all very comparable

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One side targets civilians and cheer when it happens. One side doesn't.

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Are you being deliberately obtuse about Israeli settlers?

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Palestinians flocked to the streets by the thousand to celebrate the mass murders, hostage takings and tortures. They zealously celebrated a woman being raped to death while her naked corpse was paraded thru the street for everyone to spit on. You will not find that level of "joyful barbarism" in Israel. On October 7th they lost any sympathy from much of the world. They've earned every ounce of suffering and death inflicted on them by Israel. They are a blight on the world and should be driven from Gaza.

Then you are not paying attention. Israelis were killing hundreds of Palestinians a year in the West Bank before October 7th. There have been celebrations for Palestinian deaths and displacement by the Israeli right. The IDF is an active participant in many of these acts.


ETA that this is all well documented by the UN and ICC.

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Yes it means you will keep shifting arguments and examples to defend the thug trash "Palestinians" at any cost.

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But, every post he makes just proves that the OP is correct. The anti-semitism is strong in the left...

Calling out Israel is not antisemitism.

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ETA that this is all well documented by the UN and ICC.

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Not exactly the most impartial of observers.

rgvag11 said:

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ETA that this is all well documented by the UN and ICC.

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I think I found your problem

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rgvag11 said:

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ETA that this is all well documented by the UN and ICC.

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Not exactly the most impartial of observers.

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Will ignorance is a hard thing to give up.

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Then you are not paying attention. Israelis were killing hundreds of Palestinians a year in the West Bank before October 7th. There have been celebrations for Palestinian deaths and displacement by the Israeli right. The IDF is an active participant in many of these acts.


ETA that this is all well documented by the UN and ICC.

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This is a load of horse*****

And the UN and ICC are anti-semitic (and anti-US) organizations.

The UN never even condemned Hamas for the Oct 7th attacks...But, they HAVE issued resolutions condemning Israel for responding...

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Calling out Israel is not antisemitism.

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Your motivation and support of hamas is however

rgvag11 said:

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Calling out Israel is not antisemitism.

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I remember all those posts you've made condemning the Palestinians...

Oh yeah..you didn't.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sgsm21981.doc.htm

Oh really.

LOL I made one already in this thread.

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https://press.un.org/en/2023/sgsm21981.doc.htm

Oh really.

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That was from the secretary general, not the body at large. And you know that.

Who's moving goal posts LOL

Are you ignoring that most of the Palestinians the IDF kills are Hamas terrorists that are hell bent on the elimination of Israel? I feel like you are.