Living with permanent standard time is great.
Daylight Savings Time & Trump
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Last: 3 hrs ago by Kaiser von Wilhelm
Standard time is for the the 'mos.
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Measuring of time is nothing but a construct of man and is relative to nature and precious for the consumer.
Seek not the measures of man but embrace the moments and memories. Namaste.
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Super happy our government is spending time on this...
ktownag08 said:
Super happy our government is spending time on this...
That five minutes really took up so much time. They were about to balance the budget and bring peace to the World.
I'm Gipper
cecil77 said:
It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.
Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.
The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.
The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.
Just go back to standard time and forget about it.
How would the issues be any different if staying on standard time? I prefer DST but the time change just isn't that big of deal.
ktownag08 said:
Super happy our government is spending time on this...
I'm sure this will help lower gas prices.
TXAG 05 said:cecil77 said:
It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.
Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.
The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.
The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.
Just go back to standard time and forget about it.
How would the issues be any different if staying on standard time? I prefer DST but the time change just isn't that big of deal.
The variation would be exacerbated in one direction from standard time. People have notions of "normal" when it comes to the progression of a "day". DST requires people to change from what, for eons, has been "normal".
How will this solve climate change?
MemphisAg1 said:
We tried this once before back in the 70's during the oil supply crisis in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. It wasn't popular then due to the concerns around dark winter mornings and child safety.
From ChatGPT below:Quote:
The experiment became very unpopular quickly:
- Dark winter mornings: Sunrise was pushed very late, so people (especially kids) went to school in darkness. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
- Safety concerns: Reports of accidents involving children heightened public backlash. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
- Weak energy savings: The expected reductions in energy use didn't really materialize.
I was a child at the time and remember catching a school bus in the dark. I also recall my parents complaining about it. Maybe society today has a different view, maybe not. It will be interesting to watch this play out.
Anyone that actually looked at these issues will realize they are either of little to no concern at all or they are happening anyway with Standard time in the Winter.
First, weak energy savings isn't a reason to NOT do it. Energy savings is so low on the list of advantages, it is really a red herring either way.
Second, a lot of schools have adjusted to later opening times, often due to transportation issues. Even those that start as early as 7:30am will, for at least 2 months -- and longer in certain parts of the country, STILL have dark mornings with standard time. If you go look at sunrise data from November 15 - February 15 in most places -- and everywhere is currently under Standard, not DST, time, you will often find late 7:00am hour sunrises, and even early 8:00am sunrises in some places. We're not talking 2 months out of 12 or less than 20% of the time currently; we're talking approximately 15 or so weeks out of the 36 or so kids are actually in school -- or about 42%. So the current situation is really the same or only SLIGHTLY worse than what a DST situation would have.
Finally, the safety concerns mentioned is just a rehash of the dark winter mornings "argument." To the extent it is not, parents are far more vigilant these days (for better or worse) than they were in the early/mid '70s. Few kids, at least where I am, walk or ride their bikes to school.
Early morning daylight is a NON-issue (i.e. problem) for virtually everyone. Its fine for someone to say, "I like daylight at 5:45am and darkness at 5:45pm" but 80% of the rest of us don't.
(The 5:45am would be during the summer and the 5:45pm is during the winter for standard time, so I'm a little facetious here, but not by a lot).
In this part of the world Texas Triangle ( yes I hate that term but it is an apt description)
The question is how to best allocate 14 hours of daylight during the summer and 10 hours of daylight during the winter
In the summer
Would you rather have the sun come up at 6:30 and set at 8:30 central daylight savings time
Or
come up at 5:30 and set at 7:30
Central standard time
In the winter would you prefer
The sun to
come Up 8:30 and set at 630 Daylight savings time year round
Or
Come up at 730 and set at 530 standard time
Looking at the problem
This way the switch makes a certain amount of sense I do not want the sun coming up at 530 am and don't want it to be still dark at 8 am
The question is how to best allocate 14 hours of daylight during the summer and 10 hours of daylight during the winter
In the summer
Would you rather have the sun come up at 6:30 and set at 8:30 central daylight savings time
Or
come up at 5:30 and set at 7:30
Central standard time
In the winter would you prefer
The sun to
come Up 8:30 and set at 630 Daylight savings time year round
Or
Come up at 730 and set at 530 standard time
Looking at the problem
This way the switch makes a certain amount of sense I do not want the sun coming up at 530 am and don't want it to be still dark at 8 am
91AggieLawyer said:MemphisAg1 said:
We tried this once before back in the 70's during the oil supply crisis in an effort to reduce fuel consumption. It wasn't popular then due to the concerns around dark winter mornings and child safety.
From ChatGPT below:Quote:
The experiment became very unpopular quickly:
- Dark winter mornings: Sunrise was pushed very late, so people (especially kids) went to school in darkness. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
- Safety concerns: Reports of accidents involving children heightened public backlash. [url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/][smithsonianmag.com][/url]
- Weak energy savings: The expected reductions in energy use didn't really materialize.
I was a child at the time and remember catching a school bus in the dark. I also recall my parents complaining about it. Maybe society today has a different view, maybe not. It will be interesting to watch this play out.
Anyone that actually looked at these issues will realize they are either of little to no concern at all or they are happening anyway with Standard time in the Winter.
First, weak energy savings isn't a reason to NOT do it. Energy savings is so low on the list of advantages, it is really a red herring either way.
Second, a lot of schools have adjusted to later opening times, often due to transportation issues. Even those that start as early as 7:30am will, for at least 2 months -- and longer in certain parts of the country, STILL have dark mornings with standard time. If you go look at sunrise data from November 15 - February 15 in most places -- and everywhere is currently under Standard, not DST, time, you will often find late 7:00am hour sunrises, and even early 8:00am sunrises in some places. We're not talking 2 months out of 12 or less than 20% of the time currently; we're talking approximately 15 or so weeks out of the 36 or so kids are actually in school -- or about 42%. So the current situation is really the same or only SLIGHTLY worse than what a DST situation would have.
Finally, the safety concerns mentioned is just a rehash of the dark winter mornings "argument." To the extent it is not, parents are far more vigilant these days (for better or worse) than they were in the early/mid '70s. Few kids, at least where I am, walk or ride their bikes to school.
Early morning daylight is a NON-issue (i.e. problem) for virtually everyone. Its fine for someone to say, "I like daylight at 5:45am and darkness at 5:45pm" but 80% of the rest of us don't.
(The 5:45am would be during the summer and the 5:45pm is during the winter for standard time, so I'm a little facetious here, but not by a lot).
I hear all that, and I'm not arguing for/against it one way or the other.
I'm just saying we did this once before, and the blowback was so strong that it was reversed soon thereafter.
Will the public reaction be fundamentally different this time? Maybe. Maybe not.
Most People are going to be against it after it is implemented even if this is 55% -45%
the 55% are split between year round standard and year round DST
A chunk of the for vote will be against it because it is not their preferred solution
the 55% are split between year round standard and year round DST
A chunk of the for vote will be against it because it is not their preferred solution
Yall do know DST was created to save energy costs...
We should really go to 16 time zones instead of 8. One of the problems with setting a time and not changing it is that the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year. But when if we standardize it the way most Texans would prefer (e.g. getting darker a/k/a cooler sooner in the summer) it will be horrible for northerners in the winter because it will get dark in the middle of the afternoon.
Houston, TX December 25, 2025
Houston, TX December 25, 2025
- Sunrise: 7:14 AM | Sunset: 5:28 PM
- Daylight: 10 hours, 14 minutes
- Sunrise: 7:50 AM | Sunset: 4:36 PM
- Daylight: 8 hours, 46 minutes
- Sunrise: 6:26 AM | Sunset: 8:26 PM
- Daylight: ~14 hours, 0 minutes
- Sunrise: ~5:32 AM | Sunset: ~9:03 PM
- Daylight: ~15 hours, 31 minutes
Secolobo said:
Yall do know DST was created to save energy costs...
Wasn't it originally during World War I, to save energy?
The Daylight Savings Time we have now was enacted prior to the oil shocks of the 1970s.
When we tried our brief experiment of year round Daylight Savings Time in the 1970s, it made very little perceptible difference to my life.
DST is not a panacea for anyone.
DST is not a panacea for anyone.
Sq 17 said:
Most People are going to be against it after it is implemented even if this is 55% -45%
the 55% are split between year round standard and year round DST
A chunk of the for vote will be against it because it is not their preferred solution
It's really interesting to see the range of opinions.
Like I said, when I was younger I really valued the longer days. I still enjoy them now.
I guess I'm the odd bird that kind of likes it as-is now.... longer days during DST but also not late dark mornings during standard time. I adapt easily to the time change in the fall and spring, but I realize some people really struggle with it.
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but 80% of the rest of us don't.
Very confident you are mistaken about that. Either that or your notion of "us" is off.
BigN--00 said:
We should really go to 16 time zones instead of 8. One of the problems with setting a time and not changing it is that the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year. But when if we standardize it the way most Texans would prefer (e.g. getting darker a/k/a cooler sooner in the summer) it will be horrible for northerners in the winter because it will get dark in the middle of the afternoon.
Houston, TX December 25, 2025Minneapolis, MN December 25, 2025
- Sunrise: 7:14 AM | Sunset: 5:28 PM
- Daylight: 10 hours, 14 minutes
Houston, TX July 4, 2025
- Sunrise: 7:50 AM | Sunset: 4:36 PM
- Daylight: 8 hours, 46 minutes
Minneapolis, MN July 4, 2025
- Sunrise: 6:26 AM | Sunset: 8:26 PM
- Daylight: ~14 hours, 0 minutes
- Sunrise: ~5:32 AM | Sunset: ~9:03 PM
- Daylight: ~15 hours, 31 minutes
I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.
The "Sunshine Protection Act"
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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.
LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.
cecil77 said:Quote:
I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.
LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.
Actually there are people that don't like the long afternoons
People who either wake up early and/or are heat sensitive want the extra daylight before noon
Quote:
Actually there are people that don't like the long afternoons
Exactly!
Goth chicks, vampires, hermits and others of that variety.
I'm Gipper
cecil77 said:Quote:
I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.
LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.
Same!
Im Gipper said:Quote:
Actually there are people that don't like the long afternoons
Exactly!
Goth chicks, vampires, hermits and others of that variety.
Maybe I'm a hermit.
Calm down people. He's not signing any more bills until the SAVE America Act is passed.
BigN--00 said:
the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year
You sure 'bout that?
My time living in Alaska says otherwise.
BigRobSA said:BigN--00 said:
the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year
Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.
You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.
Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.
I would like to see the breakdown of who is in favor of permeant DST or in favor of permeant standard time. From my personal experience it is usually older people that like standard time, and younger people prefer DST.
flown-the-coop said:
How will this solve climate change?
Oh, we've solved that. It doesn't exist.
I don’t get enough credit for the things I manage not to say.
Leave it the way it is.
People will not like the darkness in the morning.
It's never bothered me to change clocks.
People will not like the darkness in the morning.
It's never bothered me to change clocks.
I don’t get enough credit for the things I manage not to say.
annie88 said:
Leave it the way it is.
People will not like the darkness in the morning.
It's never bothered me to change clocks.
Like it's hard changing your area's only clocks, on the stove and microwave.
Kaiser von Wilhelm said:BigRobSA said:BigN--00 said:
the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year
Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.
You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.
Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.
That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.
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