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annie88 said:

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Leave it the way it is.

People will not like the darkness in the morning.

It's never bothered me to change clocks.

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Like it's hard changing your area's only clocks, on the stove and microwave.

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And that little crystal golf ball clock on my vanity, that one is a ***** to adjust.

And my grandfather clock, getting the gongs adjusted!

BigRobSA said:

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annie88 said:

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Leave it the way it is.

People will not like the darkness in the morning.

It's never bothered me to change clocks.

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Like it's hard changing your area's only clocks, on the stove and microwave.

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Truth. She should already be up before the chickens gathering their eggs.

cecil77 said:

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It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.

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Looks like reasonable sunrise times barely change between what we have now and if we were 100% DST

BUT, we get a LOT more sunlight in the evening.

I vote for that...

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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BigRobSA said:

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BigN--00 said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Not just that, it's because it's so far north. Large day length differences north to south.

Belcourt, ND and Brownsville, TX are approx same longitude.

June sunset in one is 9:45pm in the other 8:25pm

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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.

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LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.

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Grandpa goes to bed early so he wants it dark earlier.

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cecil77 said:

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It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.

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Looks like reasonable sunrise times barely change between what we have now and if we were 100% DST

BUT, we get a LOT more sunlight in the evening.

I vote for that...

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The premise of the map is faulty. Choosing an 11 hour period instead of 12. Change "reasonable" sunrise to 6AM and it would look very different. Full time DST sucks big time. Horrible, and I live in Texas. If I lived in the northern tier I'd hate it even more. Heck IF we have DST it should be for six months instead of eight. The entire premise is faulty as it's never saved any energy.

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cecil77 said:

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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.

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LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.

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Grandpa goes to bed early so he wants it dark earlier.

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Actually according to my fitbit I sleep about 4 hours a night. (insert needing to pee joke here)

I do, however, like the concept of having an "evening" and not straight day to night.

cecil77 said:

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cecil77 said:

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It would be absolutely nuts to go all time DST. People will hate it.

Look, the sun moves east to west every day. Some people live on the east side of a time zone, some on the west side.

The sun progresses north in the summer and south in the winter. Some people live in the northern part of a time zone some in the south.

The consequences of full time DST differ for everyone.

Just go back to standard time and forget about it.

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Looks like reasonable sunrise times barely change between what we have now and if we were 100% DST

BUT, we get a LOT more sunlight in the evening.

I vote for that...

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The premise of the map is faulty. Choosing an 11 hour period instead of 12. Change "reasonable" sunrise to 6AM and it would look very different. Full time DST sucks big time. Horrible, and I live in Texas. If I lived in the northern tier I'd hate it even more. Heck IF we have DST it should be for six months instead of eight. The entire premise is faulty as it's never saved any energy.

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We get it. You're in bed at 8:00 PM and don't want to have to buy blackout curtains...

cecil77 said:

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cecil77 said:

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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.

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LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.

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Grandpa goes to bed early so he wants it dark earlier.

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Actually according to my fitbit I sleep about 4 hours a night. (insert needing to pee joke here)

I do, however, like the concept of having an "evening" and not straight day to night.

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We do have that. Sorry it's past your bedtime.

The Unforgiven said:

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I would like to see the breakdown of who is in favor of permeant DST or in favor of permeant standard time. From my personal experience it is usually older people that like standard time, and younger people prefer DST.

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I will be 45 this week and I prefer standard time. I'm weird though

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cecil77 said:

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cecil77 said:

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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.

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LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.

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Grandpa goes to bed early so he wants it dark earlier.

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Actually according to my fitbit I sleep about 4 hours a night. (insert needing to pee joke here)

I do, however, like the concept of having an "evening" and not straight day to night.

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We do have that. Sorry it's past your bedtime.

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Again, 4 hours per night sleep. Up after you and before you! Sucks but it's genetic.

cecil77 said:

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cecil77 said:

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cecil77 said:

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I hope you mean the royal we for Texans. No one wants shorter daylight in summertime afternoons.

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LOL, shorter than what? It's not actually dark here until well after 9pm in the mid summer. I'd be thrilled if it was an hour earlier.

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Grandpa goes to bed early so he wants it dark earlier.

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Actually according to my fitbit I sleep about 4 hours a night. (insert needing to pee joke here)

I do, however, like the concept of having an "evening" and not straight day to night.

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We do have that. Sorry it's past your bedtime.

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Again, 4 hours per night sleep. Up after you and before you! Sucks but it's genetic.

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Well, then, you get more hours in the evening to have fun...

Unless you're inside at bingo every night.

How is the bingo these days?

BigRobSA said:

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annie88 said:

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Leave it the way it is.

People will not like the darkness in the morning.

It's never bothered me to change clocks.

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Like it's hard changing your area's only clocks, on the stove and microwave.

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Hey, at least it's not as hard as 1980s VCR's were to program.

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How is the bingo these days?

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How the hell would I know?

I'm not an old like cecil77.

cecil77 said:

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slaughtr said:

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Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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BigRobSA said:

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BigN--00 said:

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the south gets way more light than the north regardless of the time of year

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Umm...what? Definitely not in the summer compared to here in Boise. I tend to do my yard work after 9pm in the summers since it's so hot, and it's still light after 10pm.

You gotta learn up on how the earth is tilted and how that plays into how much daylight you get in different locations and based on the time of year.

Oh, and Patagonia is winter in the summer! The south has longer days than down there right now. But what about in December...? The more you know.

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That and because Boise is on the far, far west of the Mountain time zone. Boise is as far west as San Diego.

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Not just that, it's because it's so far north. Large day length differences north to south.

Belcourt, ND and Brownsville, TX are approx same longitude.

June sunset in one is 9:45pm in the other 8:25pm

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It's both, but predominantly because Boise is so far west. Sunset tonight in Cheyenne Wyoming is 8:15. In Boise it's 9:11 tonight. Both north. Both in the Mountain time zone.

I just wish people would stop saying DST gives "longer days". The days are exactly the same length.

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I just wish people would stop saying DST gives "longer days". The days are exactly the same length.

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Yeah, but it gives us longer days.

fc2112 said:

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I just wish people would stop saying DST gives "longer days". The days are exactly the same length.

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This day goes to 11...

fc2112 said:

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I just wish people would stop saying DST gives "longer days". The days are exactly the same length.

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It does make everyone wake up earlier relative to the sun.

It's a beautiful evening tonight...sun is still out at 7:44 pm with DST.

It would have set today at 7:13 with Standard Time...

I'm happier this way.

But, then, I'm not at the bingo hall like SOME people.

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It's a beautiful evening tonight...sun is still out at 7:44 pm with DST.

It would have set today at 7:13 with Standard Time...

I'm happier this way.

But, then, I'm not at the bingo hall like SOME people.

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If sunset is 7:13, it's still lightish at 7:44, certainly 7:30. If sunset is 8:13, it doesn't get actually dark until close to nine..June July, we can't see the big dipper until almost 10pm. and that's in the Hill Country, so not north at all.

The Unforgiven said:

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I would like to see the breakdown of who is in favor of permeant DST or in favor of permeant standard time. From my personal experience it is usually older people that like standard time, and younger people prefer DST.

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I am 56 and am highly in favor of DST. I love having the sun set later.

cecil77 said:

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It's a beautiful evening tonight...sun is still out at 7:44 pm with DST.

It would have set today at 7:13 with Standard Time...

I'm happier this way.

But, then, I'm not at the bingo hall like SOME people.

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If sunset is 7:13, it's still lightish at 7:44, certainly 7:30. If sunset is 8:13, it doesn't get actually dark until close to nine..June July, we can't see the big dipper until almost 10pm. and that's in the Hill Country, so not north at all.

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I KNOW...it's great at my Dad's house at Medina Lake when you have all that daytime.

It's even BETTER down here on N Padre Island when we get more beach time!!!

But, you can always see the Big Dipper. You only get 4 hrs of sleep!

Move to Alaska, you'll love the summer nights there.

Whatever allows me to play golf more after work is all I care about. To hell with everyone else.

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cecil77 said:

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It's a beautiful evening tonight...sun is still out at 7:44 pm with DST.

It would have set today at 7:13 with Standard Time...

I'm happier this way.

But, then, I'm not at the bingo hall like SOME people.

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If sunset is 7:13, it's still lightish at 7:44, certainly 7:30. If sunset is 8:13, it doesn't get actually dark until close to nine..June July, we can't see the big dipper until almost 10pm. and that's in the Hill Country, so not north at all.

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I KNOW...it's great at my Dad's house at Medina Lake when you have all that daytime.

It's even BETTER down here on N Padre Island when we get more beach time!!!

But, you can always see the Big Dipper. You only get 4 hrs of sleep!

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Sun setting at 9:13, last light at 9:48 tonight. Life is good.

And for the whiners, sun rises at 6:13. So yes the days are "longer," or at useable hours. Sitting inside all day working, it doesnt matter if it's light or dark outside. But when you're not working, staying light later is what truly matters in all of this. It sucks to go to work in the dark, but it REALLY sucks to go home in the dark and feel like you missed out on an entire day.