The person leading immigration policy at the White House is Stephen Miller. Nobody else. Honeymoon phase is coming to an end for many trying to pretend otherwise. pic.twitter.com/hx4IvBLJsU

— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) December 28, 2024

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Sea Speed said:

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How is objective fact racist? People in India **** in the wide open. Are facts racist? I've been there and seen it. Am I racist for pointing out something I've seen with my own eyes?

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I've seen people in Los Angeles slums sheet on the street too. So people in America sheet in the wide open.

I've seen people in South side of Chicago take drugs and shoot each other in gangwars. So people in America take drugs and murder each other everyday.

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and the homeless junkie mentally ill set and the gang set are absolute garbage and no rational person wants to spend any amount of time around those people.

This is funny

Indians coming into America using H1Bpic.twitter.com/F2VepTndB8

— Not Jerome Powell (@alifarhat79) December 29, 2024

I'd love to see a random sample of 1,000 H1-b's and see what the rate of fraud is, either from slight exaggeration/fudging the details to outright blatant abuse of the system.

I'd guess more than 50%. Would not be surprised at any number below 85%.

JD Vance is exactly right, maybe everyone should take a step back and listen to this:

“We're done importing foreign labor. We're going to fight for American citizens and their good jobs and their good wages.”

Credit: @ColumbiaBugle pic.twitter.com/V60WKxcXLN

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) December 28, 2024

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think

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but wait a second, some "retired" proven liar on this very board has said that caste system doesnt exist anymore.

hmmm. who should i trust?

Texaggie7nine said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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These racist detractors are lazy, resentful little men who hate being outperform.

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We are attracting the very absolute best and brightest tiny top fraction of a percent from third world sh*t holes where people poop in open fields? You don't say.

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And they are out producing and earning per capita because their subcultures are superior to most American subcultures.

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We shouldn't be enticing and incentivizing people from crap countries and vastly inferior cultures to come here. Let everyone go through the same migration process, legally and orderly. Once you have kids, you start worrying endlessly about the world you are going to leave them. It's not all about how cheap I can buy goods or how I can tout our diversity for the sake of diversity to me.

There's a crack in the matrix.

Who knew that a heated debate about H1B visas would start a firestorm?

Someone owes something. pic.twitter.com/4ZvYJ6UXd8

— Matt Kim (@FreeMattKim) December 28, 2024

Nanomachines son said:

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These guys don't even bother to delete their archive of posts saying they hate Whites and want to kill them before they start pretending to be America First conservatives https://t.co/lUIPdP99r9 pic.twitter.com/wLZn1rysNz

— Keith Woods (@KeithWoodsYT) December 28, 2024

This is who these people are and none of them are conservative at all.

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I do know some Americanized Indian American hard core right wingers IRL…and one who posts here by the name of deddog. The problem is that by my observation, they make up the minority. And two pretty jacked Sikhs at my gym are conservative badasses you would probably love (if you could get past their brownish color), and look like they would kill a white liberal for sneaking Gender Queer into their kids school library.

The only gripe I have with the two or three white nationalists/separatists on here is that yall never seem to call out white liberals. You direct more anger towards some Punjabi kid taking advantage of our "white liberal driven" policies than you do at the god forsaken fanatical white liberals in this nation that are killing us quicker than any other group could. They are the number one threat to our nation, culture, and your offspring. They are the lowest form of human on the face of this earth and they get a pass from you 2 or 3 separatists on here.

I feel like yall only ***** about the symptoms, but ignore the basically-demonic root causes, because of skin color.

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This is funny

Indians coming into America using H1Bpic.twitter.com/F2VepTndB8

— Not Jerome Powell (@alifarhat79) December 29, 2024

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Needs Neil Diamond singing "Coming to America" dubbed into the audio track.

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I would rather die in a nuclear war than see the US become India 2.0. That's how little I want that culture here.

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if 500k indian h1bs are all it takes to turn us into india 2.0, maybe american culture isn't all that it's cracked up to be

Just wild to see 'conservatives' calling people who work hard slaves, and clamoring for "fair wages" and work life balance

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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These guys don't even bother to delete their archive of posts saying they hate Whites and want to kill them before they start pretending to be America First conservatives https://t.co/lUIPdP99r9 pic.twitter.com/wLZn1rysNz

— Keith Woods (@KeithWoodsYT) December 28, 2024

This is who these people are and none of them are conservative at all.

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I do know some Americanized Indian American hard core right wingers IRL…and one who posts here by the name of deddog. The problem is that by my observation, they make up the minority. And two pretty jacked Sikhs at my gym are conservative badasses you would probably love (if you could get past their brownish color), and look like they would kill a white liberal for sneaking Gender Queer into their kids school library.

The only gripe I have with the two or three white nationalists/separatists on here is that yall never seem to call out white liberals. You direct more anger towards some Punjabi kid taking advantage of our "white liberal driven" policies than you do at the god forsaken fanatical white liberals in this nation that are killing us quicker than any other group could. They are the number one threat to our nation, culture, and your offspring. They are the lowest form of human on the face of this earth and they get a pass from you 2 or 3 separatists on here.

I feel like yall only ***** about the symptoms, but ignore the basically-demonic root causes, because of skin color.

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Most of those people you refer to as white liberals are generally not actually white and/or don't think of themselves as white. Further, the white liberals aren't actually the power brokers at all, neither are any of the Indians here.

I immensely dislike white liberals more than you do and have had the understanding that most of them will need to be physically removed in the end just because they are the shock troops. With that said, if you remove those in power, this issue goes away because these people don't actually have beliefs outside of a small select few like Cenk Uygur. The rest of them are basically NPCs who do or believe whatever they are told to by the mainstream media, which is once again, controlled by the same group above.

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Nanomachines son said:

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I would rather die in a nuclear war than see the US become India 2.0. That's how little I want that culture here.

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if 500k indian h1bs are all it takes to turn us into india 2.0, maybe american culture isn't all that it's cracked up to be

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No Spin Ag said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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I would rather die in a nuclear war than see the US become India 2.0. That's how little I want that culture here.

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if 500k indian h1bs are all it takes to turn us into india 2.0, maybe american culture isn't all that it's cracked up to be

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Just shows how bad Indians are

any 'free market' talk in here is simply ignoring that the problem is created by government. one of the many hundreds of thousands of things the government ****s up on a daily basis.

you can find a high school kid 3 blocks from the 7-11 to run the register. you dont need to import them from halfway across the world.

and the .1% of genius talent argument is hilariously false and falls apart when anyone with a brain scrutinizes it.

Have Worked in a Tech industry 30+ years.

Sometimes there is high end talent overseas that is the best option and you hire them. And if you need them to relocate to U.S. then you need legal immigration visas.

And those guys usually are not 'cheap'. Cost cutting approaches are not fueled by bringing people to the states. In fact, often that is the more expensive and pain in the butt option, but you pay that extra price for the talent. You outsource work to cheaper labor overseas is how you cost cut if that is your goal.

Immigration-friendly + immense natural resources + democratic capitalism has made the U.S. the superpower that it is today. The U.S. isn't Building the atomic bomb (Manhattan project), sending men to the moon, or many other things etc without poaching some elite immigrant talent being part of the equation.

Illegal immigration is a big problem that needs to be fixed.

LEGAL immigration is not. The limit on such immigration visas can be debated, but to debate their very existence would be idiotic debate.

This is at 20 pages no way I am going to read all 20 pages. But 90% of these Indian H1B that are only coders and know nothing about software engineering are going be one of the first workforces to lose their jobs to AI. If you have an offshore software development business, you should be looking at your endgame, because winter is coming.

This is not correct. Look at a Twitter thread in the last couple pages that breaks it down.

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This is at 20 pages no way I am going to read all 20 pages. But 90% of these Indian H1B that are only coders and know nothing about software engineering and re going be one of the first workforces to lose their jobs to AI.

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That is why we need to raise their visa caps and import a billion of them. Americans are far too stupid to be replaced by AI. You need "elite" foreign human capital to be replaced by AI

For the most part, it is the same playbook the left was trying to use for illegals. Import a permanent voter class. If you have ever heard these tech bros speak on anything, they are transhumanist technocrats. They think these foreign, majority indian, tech workers will be their future technocrat base.

Just look at the history of the British and you can see why the powers that be deem this a good idea. They identified that Indians were particularly suited to bureaucratic middle management and subservience. They imported them to every place they had a colonial system to be their middle managers who followed their orders while they went back to England so they did not have to deal with any of them.

Depends on what debate you want to have, and there are a lot out there, but listen...

H1-Bs were designed to bring in foreign talent if none can be found stateside.

That is not what they are being used for.

The fact that people are applying for these things for pickleball instructors, 7-11 cashiers, line cooks, etc, makes it extremely obvious.

The program needs reform, at minimum. If it is used appropriately, and there are process controls in place to ensure that the program is easy for those that fundamentally need to be over here in industries that are of strategic importance for the United States and hard for the people faking resumes just to not live in a country with designated ****ting streets, Im OK with it.

The fact that a majority of them are from India is automatically suspect -- why so little from Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Japan, Europe, etc? If we were actually concerned about .1% of genius talent, you would think they would come from all corners of the world, not just 60-70% India.

stick95 said:

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This is at 20 pages no way I am going to read all 20 pages. But 90% of these Indian H1B that are only coders and know nothing about software engineering are going be one of the first workforces to lose their jobs to AI. If you have an offshore software development business, you should be looking at your endgame, because winter is coming.

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Sorry, that is too simplistic.
If it was just a matter of tech then almost all jobs would have been hit. Politics is also at play. I work with AI and it is not at a point where you can just let it run riot and do its thing. Why don't we have self-driving cars on every street in every city? Because this is the real world. Politicians will not let large companies fire thousands "because of AI". That is why CEOs are forcing the RTO measures also, because politicians threatened their tax breaks. Nothing to do with "we need better collaboration".

Don't be a simpleton and blindly believe what some rich man said. He got rich by fooling dunderheads and simpletons.

AI will take over manual jobs. It will take over manufacturing. It will not take over innovation and intellectual work for various reasons both tech and political.

infinity ag said:

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stick95 said:

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This is at 20 pages no way I am going to read all 20 pages. But 90% of these Indian H1B that are only coders and know nothing about software engineering are going be one of the first workforces to lose their jobs to AI. If you have an offshore software development business, you should be looking at your endgame, because winter is coming.

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Sorry, that is too simplistic.
If it was just a matter of tech then almost all jobs would have been hit. Politics is also at play. I work with AI and it is not at a point where you can just let it run riot and do its thing. Why don't we have self-driving cars on every street in every city? Because this is the real world. Politicians will not let large companies fire thousands "because of AI". That is why CEOs are forcing the RTO measures also, because politicians threatened their tax breaks. Nothing to do with "we need better collaboration".

Don't be a simpleton and blindly believe what some rich man said. He got rich by fooling dunderheads and simpletons.

AI will take over manual jobs. It will take over manufacturing. It will not take over innovation and intellectual work for various reasons both tech and political.

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It will take over entry level tech workers before it takes over manual jobs en masse.

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Depends on what debate you want to have, and there are a lot out there, but listen...

H1-Bs were designed to bring in foreign talent if none can be found stateside.

That is not what they are being used for.

The fact that people are applying for these things for pickleball instructors, 7-11 cashiers, line cooks, etc, makes it extremely obvious.

The program needs reform, at minimum. If it is used appropriately, and there are process controls in place to ensure that the program is easy for those that fundamentally need to be over here in industries that are of strategic importance for the United States and hard for the people faking resumes just to not live in a country with designated ****ting streets, Im OK with it.

The fact that a majority of them are from India is automatically suspect -- why so little from Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Japan, Europe, etc? If we were actually concerned about .1% of genius talent, you would think they would come from all corners of the world, not just 60-70% India.

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The other real tech powers (Russia/China) are not even looking in India. It is the floundering West. Not to mention, if we were taking away so much elite talent, the Indian government would be actively trying to stop this.

As it stands, the Indian government is lobbying America for MORE immigrant visas. Soft colonialism with a longer time horizon than most people here care to think about.

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Good point. In fact the Indian Govt is pushing for it. The Indian Government openly say they will take up the visa issue with the US Govt .

This is from 2017.

Modi Will Bring up H-1B Visa Issue With Trump Next Week
https://m.thewire.in/article/diplomacy/modi-discuss-h1b-visa-trump-week/amp

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New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi will take up the issue of H-1B visas for skilled workers when he meets US President Donald Trump next week in Washington, a senior government official said on Tuesday.

Trump has ordered a review of the US visa programme for bringing high-skilled foreign workers into the US, putting technology firms and the outsourcing companies that serve them on notice of possible changes ahead.

The review threatens Indian IT services firm such as Infosys Ltd and Tata Consultancy Services which advise large companies on tech issues and carry out a range of tasks for them, relying heavily on the H-1B visa programme.

"The H-1B visa issue will be one of the issues on the table during the PM's visit," trade secretary Rita Teaotia told reporters.

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Teaotia said the government would try to convince Washington that higher exports from India were a win-win for both countries as they helped American companies cut costs and create jobs.
The bilateral trade between the two countries more than doubled to about $115 billion in 2016 from $45.1 billion in 2006. However, the US trade deficit with India also widened.
The trade shortfall was $30.8 billion in 2016, up from $12.7 billion in 2006.

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Didn't you get it? The Indian Govt are doing us a huge favor by sending their slave army here.