Not sure if any of you have been following X the last few days but it's been a ****show. It's been basically a civil war of classic MAGA against tech bros with MAGA against H1-Bs and the tech bros pushing for infinite legal migration. Musk himself got Ratio'ed numerous times.

This all began because Trump nominated Sriram Krishnan to be his AI advisor despite Krishnan living in London, calling India home, and pushing for no caps on H1-Bs.

There has been a full on revolt against this.

They ratioed Elon Musk 💀 pic.twitter.com/wv0VSQ47Gk

— Zoomer Alcibiades (@HellenicVibes) December 25, 2024

I can't tell you how many times I have heard this statement in the past few days:

The pro-immigration tech bro side of the immigration debate is doing a better job turning people against immigration than the actual restrictionists

"You're a dying race of dumb inbred losers and all your achievements are because of foreigners anyway" isn't really the best pitch

— Keith Woods (@KeithWoodsYT) December 26, 2024

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— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 26, 2024

Again, Canada did the “skilled immigration” thing and the country is done. NO ONE actually thinks this will be good for America. Indians support it out of racial collectivism, corporations want to pay the slop programmers nothing and barricade themselves from externalities.

— James Kirkpatrick (@VDAREJamesK) December 26, 2024

Watching Elon get ratioed badly on his own site over the H1B issue is a fascinating revelation of reality.

1. He doesn’t have his finger on the scale like the previous regime. People strongly disagreeing with him is actually encouraged.

2. MAGA is decidedly NOT in thrall to…

— Eighth Century Woodchipper 🌳🪓 (@BonifaceOption) December 26, 2024

💯😂

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 26, 2024

H1B Visas for Indians in 2022: 320,791

H1B Visas for Germans in 2022: 1,138 pic.twitter.com/nPE2cFJpCS

— Bones (@FrailSkeleton) December 26, 2024

Making it affordable for a hardworking young person to afford a family is the core of “America First.”

Too many have bought the lie that the path to prosperity is to flood the nation with cheap labor.

In the next administration, we’ll fight for American workers. https://t.co/VDadyhf5ho

— JD Vance (@JDVance) December 24, 2024

It's going to be very interesting to see how this evolves. Regardless, if we don't fix the H1-B issue then the US will turn into Canada and become India 2.0. The fact that 72% of these visas are given to Indians alone says something is entirely broken with the system.

I've worked in Tech my whole career. Founded two very successful companies. Anyone who actually wants the best and brightest (outside of the US), poaches top talent from Canada and Europe.

The truth is most companies in Silicon Valley don't want to pay for the very best. The… https://t.co/60gn1tE3HC

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) December 26, 2024

The other insane thing I've seen on here is the outright lie that green card country caps are discriminatory against Indian immigrants and that we are not accepting enough Indians.

Indians make up 73% of all H-1B Visas, 320k per year! (there is no country cap for H-1B). So much… pic.twitter.com/fcANllaV8R

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) December 26, 2024

Great post,

I was watching this unfold last night after spending time with family. It's amazing seeing how Elon's true ambitions come to light.

He can hire H1B and pay them the same or less than American but he can work them 80 hours a week and they'll do it with no complaints otherwise they get deported.

I think its BS that we allow so many Indians/Chinese to take high paying jobs when there are plenty of capable Americans to fill those spots.

It all boils back down to money at the end of the day. I hope trump ends this garbage.

Edit: Indians are very insulated and nepotistic with their own kind. They have zero problem laying off Americans and replacing them with Indians

First lets get out the illegals and immigrants that do not contribute, negative cost proposition, murderers, alcoholic death drivers, rapist, and illiterates in their own language.

Then let us argue about the degreed tech workers.

Disagree, we need to get rid of all of them at the same time. There is no need for us to be importing hundreds of thousands of indians and chinese year after year. I prefer the mexicans who will assimilate at that point.

They are draining the country and are part of the reason why housing is an issue.

Im Gipper said:

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I will take Trump and Musk over the loudmouths on Twitter with no actual knowledge or experience.

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America's need and her people should be put first.

Elon can hire Americans but he's too cheap and wants to work them round the clock.

Not just the tech industry. They are all over the trucking industry. What reason is there to import foreign truck drivers other than to undercut wages?

Please send them to https://t.co/MGgjXfH6PS.

If willing to work super hard (80-100 hrs/wk) and able to get through our admissions bar, we’ll train them to use AI to build (all expenses paid) and guarantee a $200k/yr job in Austin.

— Austen Allred (@Austen) December 25, 2024

You just need to be willing to work 100 hours a week.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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I'm old enough to remember when we had a culture that would rise to the occasion if the country needed it. Now it appears outsourcing or foreign recruitment is the answer. Not good if there's no impetus on cultural assimilation.

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All of this boils back down to money.

Labor is the biggest expense for Silicon Valley, they want cheap labor and they can get it by using H1-B's. Elon is no different. He wants company who will do nothing but focus on work. IMO that the antithesis of what we need. Back in the Cold War we had brilliant men who worked hard but were still able to be family men building rockets for NASA.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that in the most advanced country in the world with a population of 330 Million, that Elon cant find talent.

There is more than enough talent and grit here, Silicon Valley just doesnt want to pay American wages at the end of the day.

So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns

TRADUCTOR said:

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First lets get out the illegals and immigrants that do not contribute, negative cost proposition, murderers, alcoholic death drivers, rapist, and illiterates in their own language.

Then let us argue about the degreed tech workers.

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No, the H1-B is doing to the middle and upper middle classes what illegal immigration did to the working class. It's diabolical in nature and absolutely designed to destroy the middle class here.

The fact that the H-1B discussion has led to tons of these guys going "Yes, I am absolutely seething with racial resentment and rage against native white Americans and absolutely see myself as engaged in struggle against them" has been…revealing https://t.co/xkqBGCPFsy

— Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry (@pegobry_en) December 26, 2024

There is also this. Every single Indian on X has been doing this. It's across the board. Any time you criticize India for any reason you get flooded with comments like these.

Their inferiority complex is immense and they absolutely hate heritage Americans and want to turn the entirety of the West into India 2.0.

DannyDuberstein said:

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So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns

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Ever notice how most financial institutions (USAA being the big one) have outsourced their phone centers, support to India. Its absolutely infuriating that these jobs could easily be done by Americans who can actually speak english

BCSWguru said:

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its hilarious seeing all of this come to light. its been happening right under our noses here in B/CS for a good decade or two.

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People have no idea how bad it is. Tech recruiting has been ruined by them to the point where every tech recruiting company is now a scam to get more Indians here.

Sid Farkas said:

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We want all of the world's best like Elon Musk and the Nutella guy from Microsoft to come here.

We want tons of talented people to legally migrate here. We have imported enough peasants to clean homes and mow lawns for several generations,

Anyone who's unhappy with foreigners being here should focus their efforts on making local talent more competitive (e.g. Burning and rebuilding public schools, severely curtailing government support for non productive learning disciplines)...dont shut off the flow of foreign talent until we're ready to fill the jobs they're taking.

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There is PLENTY of talent here who can do the jobs these supposed "high skilled" immigrants can do. Again it just boils back down to companies wanting cheap labor

gbaby23 said:

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Not just the tech industry. They are all over the trucking industry. What reason is there to import foreign truck drivers other than to undercut wages?

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They are in all engineering disciplines now and all of them are poorer quality than heritage Americans. I've never met an H1-B that I thought was good at anything.

Sid Farkas said:

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We want all of the world's best like Elon Musk and the Nutella guy from Microsoft to come here.

We want tons of talented people to legally migrate here. We have imported enough peasants to clean homes and mow lawns for several generations,

Anyone who's unhappy with foreigners being here should focus their efforts on making local talent more competitive (e.g. Burning and rebuilding public schools, severely curtailing government support for non productive learning disciplines)...dont shut off the flow of foreign talent until we're ready to fill the jobs they're taking.

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No, we do not want "tons" of people to migrate here. We have enough hardworking and talented Americans to fill every job.

These people are not the cream of the crop. They are foreign interlopers who scam their way in and use nepotistic hiring practices to bring over their family and friends from abroad.

Moratorium on all immigration, now.

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VerdeAg said:

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Disagree, we need to get rid of all of them at the same time. There is no need for us to be importing hundreds of thousands of indians and chinese year after year. I prefer the mexicans who will assimilate at that point.

They are draining the country and are part of the reason why housing is an issue.

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First solve the problem. Immigrants buying housing is not the problem. lol

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Yes, the immigrants clogging up the housing supply and increasing prices is a problem. They don't need to be here at all.

Companies aren't outsourcing their tech departments to India because they are better. They do so because it shows a nice SGA dip (labor costs) and a reduction in headcount (they are contractors so they don't "count"). This is largely a game played by upper middle management in the pursuit of becoming executives.

DannyDuberstein said:

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So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns

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It's to the point where I refuse to contract with foreigners. If I don't hear an American or European accent on the phone, I'm done and I won't be contacting them again.

I'm so sick of not being able to understand people on the phone and having to try and ****ing guess at what they are saying.

VerdeAg said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns

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Ever notice how most financial institutions (USAA being the big one) have outsourced their phone centers, support to India. Its absolutely infuriating that these jobs could easily be done by Americans who can actually speak english

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They also work by a script and any time you deviate from that script they meltdown and can't help you. I've had them hang up on me many times merely for asking a question because they were incapable of answering it.

Sid Farkas said:

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We want all of the world's best like Elon Musk and the Nutella guy from Microsoft to come here.

We want tons of talented people to legally migrate here. We have imported enough peasants to clean homes and mow lawns for several generations,

Anyone who's unhappy with foreigners being here should focus their efforts on making local talent more competitive (e.g. Burning and rebuilding public schools, severely curtailing government support for non productive learning disciplines)...dont shut off the flow of foreign talent until we're ready to fill the jobs they're taking.

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Speak for yourself. No one wants infinite foreign migration but legally. The sentiment on X has been universally against it except for the Indians and tech bros who of course want infinite migration because they want India 2.0.

The issue is that for every 1 good one, we're paying for at least 9 worthless piles of dung. So they are cheaper on paper but there is so much other $$$ going out the door from bugs, lack of ingenuity in doing productivity enhancements, longer timelines to get any projects done, etc

This is what I've seen at a Fortune 100 over the past 20 years. Savings on the IT line. Cost everywhere else