Matt Gaetz

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will25u said:




Much more accurately, Joel Greenberg is in prison because he pled guilty to personally sex trafficking a child, wire fraud, stalking, and a number of other related crimes

Edit: Plea agreement is here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/former-seminole-county-tax-collector-joel-micah-greenberg-pleads-guilty-multiple
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samurai_science said:

Who cares, the dude is history...

I guess I can quote it, I got in trouble on the football board a few months ago.
"He Gone" shame me I don't care
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TXAggie2011 said:

will25u said:




Much more accurately, Joel Greenberg is in prison because he pled guilty to personally sex trafficking a child, wire fraud, stalking, and a number of other related crimes

Edit: Plea agreement is here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/former-seminole-county-tax-collector-joel-micah-greenberg-pleads-guilty-multiple


Greenberg, that's Swedish isn't it?
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2040huck said:

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Does he still have supporters? The ethics report was pretty bad. Is his political carrer finally over?

Pretty bad in what respect? Give us specifics, please. Or, are you basing that on what others are saying, just like the investigation did?
Several girls, one age 17, said he paid them for sex. He also provided drugs. He didnt even deny it. He just said he has changed since then. I honestly love it when "conservatives" defend this behavior.


And… that's it?
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oh no said:

In an age where Chinese spies are in bed with congressmen, our sec of state had classified info on private servers and destroyed the evidence, when Giseine Maxwell is in prison yet zero of her clients are being pursued, when our government spied on political opposition, framed political opposition, and tried to imprison political opposition, and our institutions and their Pravda media arm are lying to us and censoring us about health, about Biden's corruption, about Biden's state of mind, etc., were supposed to not care about those things and be really upset that some pimps and hookers said this former congressmen paid them 6 years ago before he was married. Sorry can't seem to give a single F.


This post needs to be reposted several times. Oh...and DGAF...
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I was pointing out the hypocrisy of congress going after him when he is not in fact in congress anymore. so seems like a state issue and not a congressional issue, but just a DC smear campaign. While at the same time all the politicians and people in power are screwing kids on Little Saint James on island and nothing has happened and there is no desire by elites and the media to make something happen for years.

For the people who are asking What is Little Saint James Island ? was Epstein's sex island that half of DC/NYC/LA visted
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Of all the people in a particular tribe to defend, this slimeball ain't it. Just nuts!
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dmart90 said:

Of all the people in a particular tribe to defend, this slimeball ain't it. Just nuts!
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I'm not swayed by this until they release ALL ethics complaints and investigations to ALL members of the house to make sure we get to see ALL of the scope of what has happened. Only seems fair.

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oh no said:

In an age where Chinese spies are in bed with congressmen, our sec of state had classified info on private servers and destroyed the evidence, when Giseine Maxwell is in prison yet zero of her clients are being pursued, when our government spied on political opposition, framed political opposition, and tried to imprison political opposition, and our institutions and their Pravda media arm are lying to us and censoring us about health, about Biden's corruption, about Biden's state of mind, etc., were supposed to not care about those things and be really upset that some pimps and hookers said this former congressmen paid them 6 years ago before he was married. Sorry can't seem to give a single F.


Look, You're not wrong that a lot of politicians are awful (the power attracts that sort of person), but Gaetz fits right in with that crowd. He himself said he was doing drugs and having sex with women to whom he paid money (complete coincidence I'm sure). Ignoring the testimony of people who may have had it out for him, his direct quotes are pretty bad. He said he was probably a drinking, smoking womanizer who routinely sent money to women he "dated."

Gaetz isn't such an amazing talent that we have to tolerate his obvious foibles to benefit from his genius. His life record suggests he's nothing special, so let's go find somebody who didn't spend a decent chunk of his life doing drugs and banging hookers.
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Look. There are a lot of awful things happening in your government and with your politicians right now, but their news wants you to focus your anger on this guy that paid for escorts years ago before he was married.
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Please continue believing everything these criminal witnesses say and don't ever ever ever believe anything someone like Tara Reade says though. Your news is counting on you.
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"Of all the things that happened in Washington, D.C. today, to me, this is a low priority when you consider what Joe Biden did over at the White House, commuting all the sentences of these terrible people, using the power of the presidency. He's still in office, Gaetz is gone. And yet there seems to be more outrage about Gaetz over stuff that, frankly, is old news."

Additionally:

1. "Most of the details or most of the stories that we heard, we already knew."

2. "A lot of this stuff was already swirling in the public domain anyway."

3. "Matt Gaetz is no longer in Congress."

4. "Matt Gaetz is no longer under consideration to be in Donald Trump's Cabinet."

"As far as I'm concerned, he's a private citizen in Florida. If he runs for office again, he'll have to explain what's in this report, and we'll see what the voters say about this."
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Yeah but he said that he was considering running for governor or perhaps hoping to be appointed to the Senate by DeSantis the day before.
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Scott Jennings is easily the best spokesman for the Rs on television.
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Logos Stick said:

MarkTwain said:

Look I'm no fan of Gaetz. But Mollie Hemingway has a lot of credibility in my book based on her excellent investigative reporting in the past





Most of the House Rs hate Gaetz. It's not surprising they wanted to burn him down and were willing to use whatever means necessary to do it.


What evidence do we have that "most" hate him?
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GenericAggie said:

Logos Stick said:

MarkTwain said:

Look I'm no fan of Gaetz. But Mollie Hemingway has a lot of credibility in my book based on her excellent investigative reporting in the past





Most of the House Rs hate Gaetz. It's not surprising they wanted to burn him down and were willing to use whatever means necessary to do it.


What evidence do we have that "most" hate him?


He led the effort and worked with the Dems to oust McCarthy, against the will of just about every R member. He's also outed most of them for their over the top stock ROIs. It's pretty well known that he was a pariah.
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

I'm not swayed by this until they release ALL ethics complaints and investigations to ALL members of the house to make sure we get to see ALL of the scope of what has happened. Only seems fair.

Fine with that to a point. Anything that resulted no finding of an ethical violation should remain private. That's how most private and public entities treat ethics violations, and I'm ok with that.
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Kevin McCarthy won his fight against Gaetz for the moment.
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captkirk said:




Please tell me you realize that's a parody
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The underage sexual accuser is currently in prison for lying about the same thing that she said happened with Gaetz?
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jt2hunt said:

The underage sexual accuser is currently in prison for lying about the same thing that she said happened with Gaetz?


Was that reported somewhere?
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jt2hunt said:

The underage sexual accuser is currently in prison for lying about the same thing that she said happened with Gaetz?


No. They're referring to Joel Greenberg who lied about a teacher committing sexual harassment.

He's in federal prison on a decade-plus sentence because he pled guilty to having personally sex trafficked children, committing wire fraud, stalking, and related crimes.

Gaetz is conflating the two and leaving out the laundry list of crimes Greenberg pled guilty too.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/former-seminole-county-tax-collector-joel-micah-greenberg-pleads-guilty-multiple
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TXAggie2011 said:

jt2hunt said:

The underage sexual accuser is currently in prison for lying about the same thing that she said happened with Gaetz?


No. They're referring to Joel Greenberg who Gaetz says lied about a teacher committing sexual harassment.

He's in federal prison on a decade-plus sentence because he pled guilty to having personally sex trafficked children, committing wire fraud, stalking, and related crimes.

Gaetz is conflating the two and leaving out the laundry list of crimes Greenberg pled guilty too.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/former-seminole-county-tax-collector-joel-micah-greenberg-pleads-guilty-multiple


Greenberg admitted that he lied about the teacher. It's not just an accusation by Gaetz. If you are going to correct folks, get your facts straight.
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Post corrected. Bad wording on my part. Fair enough.

Point remains Greenberg pled down a potential life sentence for a laundry list of awful crimes and that's why he's in prison and will be for years. That Tweet that's going around from Mollie Hemingway and this discussion that "he's in prison for lying" is leaving out 99% of the story.

Look, Gaetz has all but admitted he did a lot of drugs and had a lot sex with women. There were a number of other witnesses who said the same thing.

Gaetz is lashing out and throwing spaghetti at the wall because bad decisions finally caught up to him.


Pam Bondi has more experience, will be more effective, and by all accounts isn't a largely unrepentant sleaze ball addict and creep.
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TXAggie2011 said:

Post corrected. Bad wording on my part. Fair enough.

Point remains Greenberg pled down a potential life sentence for a laundry list of awful crimes and that's why he's in prison and will be for years. That Tweet that's going around from Mollie Hemingway and this discussion that "he's in prison for lying" is leaving out 99% of the story.


It's not leaving out 99% of the story. It's focusing on the context to THIS story. The Feds didn't find him the least bit credible mostly because he had previously made similar accusations at least twice that were both proven false.
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The problem The seventeen year old I question has refused to cooperate and her friend who is also a professional companion is the source of the details regarding the Venmo transactions
Between her co-worker/acquaintance and Congressman Gaetz
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Witnesses are hookers and felons
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Sq 17 said:

The problem The seventeen year old I question has refused to cooperate and her friend who is also a professional companion is the source of the details regarding the Venmo transactions
Between her co-worker/acquaintance and Congressman Gaetz


Who subpoenaed the transactions? Congress or the DOJ?

That's an interesting fact.
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chap said:

TXAggie2011 said:

Post corrected. Bad wording on my part. Fair enough.

Point remains Greenberg pled down a potential life sentence for a laundry list of awful crimes and that's why he's in prison and will be for years. That Tweet that's going around from Mollie Hemingway and this discussion that "he's in prison for lying" is leaving out 99% of the story.


It's not leaving out 99% of the story. It's focusing on the context to THIS story. The Feds didn't find him the least bit credible mostly because he had previously made similar accusations at least twice that were both proven false.


We don't know what they found credible or not. His plea deal likely would have been rescinded if they determined he wasn't giving them an healthy dose of accurate information.

To get Gaetz on the federal sex trafficking charge they were looking at, they would need to prove beyond reasonable doubt he knew the 17 year old's age or reasonably should have known. The Report is very straightforward that would have been very difficult to prove.

That's the most likely explanation but again, we don't know.


And of course they're leaving out 99% of the "context" by just saying "Greenberg's a liar!" in trying to paint the report as false. Gaetz and Greenberg were known friends, they know Greenberg was doing this, Gaetz has acknowledged in principal he did drugs and had the sex, they have checks and texts and they have other witnesses who corroborated it.
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There is also the compounding issue that the 17 yo girl had a validly issued license with a falsified birthdate showing she was at least 18 at the time.

Gaetz could easily claim he looked at her license (not saying he actually did).

Edit: This is only in regards to Gaetz providing a defense for the solicitation of a minor, not any other possibly illegal acts.
 
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