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Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.

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As a Catholic, I don't believe in the death penalty despite my human instinct to want to see these criminals fry. It is a tough issue for me to wrangle with because every human soul should be given the chance for redemption. Because of this, I am okay with a relatively long imprisonment (within reason) before they get the chair. This should be opportunity for them to get right with God. An immediate execution would hinder this, and I don't think God is cool with that. That's my own personal rationalization and not intended to represent Church doctrine.

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obama is burning the ***** down on his way out.

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This

Everything they're doing is designed to cause as much chaos and strife for Trump as they can and they don't care how many regular citizens get hurt

It's fine that you believe that. These people were convicted under the laws of the land by people who heard the details of the cases and saw the evidence. Your beliefs have little to do with what the justice system found and adjudicated. Sadly, the democrat party does not believe in the rule of law.

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Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.

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As a Catholic, I don't believe in the death penalty despite my human instinct to want to see these criminals fry. It is a tough issue for me to wrangle with because every human soul should be given the chance for redemption. Because of this, I am okay with a relatively long imprisonment (within reason) before they get the chair. This should be opportunity for them to get right with God. An immediate execution would hinder this, and I don't think God is cool with that. That's my own personal rationalization and not intended to represent Church doctrine.

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I don't agree, BUT I greatly respect your views and your convictions about them.

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I'll take that as a "yes".

Liberalism is mental illness.

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If you want to have a "debate the death penalty thread", go start one.

Opinions vary on the morality of the death penalty, but I fail to see any amount of mental gymnastics that could justify this particular action as a just and moral choice.

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This.

There is no logical and moral case for commuting the sentence of these 37, but not the other three. If you believe the death penalty is unjust, commute them all. But, by declining to commute those 3, Biden is saying that the death penalty is OK some of the time, which means he then has to justify why these 37 deserve clemency (not just why those 3 do not), which is something no one could do while maintaining any shred of credibility.

The folks running Biden sure seem intent on beating out James Buchanan and Jimmy Carter for the title of worst president in history.

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Death penalty is only for the wealthy comrades.

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Leftists supporting White House:

"Luigi is a hero for shooting that CEO!!"

Also leftists supporting the White House"

"we are going to now help convicted rapists and murderers!"

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I fully get why people think Luiigi did a good thing. There are just as many on the right (online, at least) who think the same. However, no one with a brain cell or sense of justice sees what Biden did as a good thing.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.

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News flash, but a number of prominent democrats were advocating to have this done.

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To have what done? Do you mean to have the death penalty commuted?

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Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.

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Fortunately, murder is still illegal in the state of New York, so he would still be prosecuted by the state.

But yeah, there are several jurisdictions where a President could issue blanket pardons for any and all crimes (D.C., military bases, Indian reservations).

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Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.

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Fortunately, motor is still illegal in the state of New York, so he would still be prosecuted by the state.

But yeah, there are several jurisdictions where a President could issue blanket pardons for any and all crimes (D.C., military bases, Indian reservations).

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AGAIN, the feds are also bringing charges against Mangione and those could carry the FEDERAL death penalty. Biden could pardon that, even before trial and conviction, were he so inclined.

So on one hand, Biden's DOJ is about file charges on a crime for the death penalty and OTOH, pardoning those who have already been sentenced to death, in the same week.

Mangione was arraigned on the state charges this morning. Federal charges coming next.

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Yeah, saw an article this weekend that he was considering it. The author went out of their way to point out he's a devout Catholic. I wondered if they make that point when he talks about supporting abortion?

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Devout Catholic my ass

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He is setting a disturbing precedent.

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A disturbing precedent from a disturbed president.

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Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.

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Fortunately, motor is still illegal in the state of New York, so he would still be prosecuted by the state.

But yeah, there are several jurisdictions where a President could issue blanket pardons for any and all crimes (D.C., military bases, Indian reservations).

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AGAIN, the feds are also bringing charges against Mangione and those could carry the FEDERAL death penalty. Biden could pardon that, even before trial and conviction, were he so inclined.

So on one hand, Biden's DOJ is about file charges on a crime for the death penalty and OTOH, pardoning those who have already been sentenced to death, in the same week.

Mangione was arraigned on the state charges this morning. Federal charges coming next.

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Hawg, you might need to post it a few more times in order for some to finally understand it.

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I'll take that as a "yes".

Liberalism is mental illness.

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If you want to have a "debate the death penalty thread", go start one.

Opinions vary on the morality of the death penalty, but I fail to see any amount of mental gymnastics that could justify this particular action as a just and moral choice.

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This.

There is no logical and moral case for commuting the sentence of these 37, but not the other three. If you believe the death penalty is unjust, commute them all. But, by declining to commute those 3, Biden is saying that the death penalty is OK some of the time, which means he then has to justify why these 37 deserve clemency (not just why those 3 do not), which is something no one could do while maintaining any shred of credibility.

The folks running Biden sure seem intent on beating out James Buchanan and Jimmy Carter for the title of worst president in history.

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But we all do this. You might draw the line somewhere else, but absent saying "the death penalty should be imposed for every crime" or "the death penalty should be imposed for every killing", then you're making your own distinction between when it is OK and when it not OK.

Biden's obviously drawing a much higher line than most here would, and folks are free to disagree, but we all draw lines and make those judgments about the death penalty.

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Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.

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Fortunately, motor is still illegal in the state of New York, so he would still be prosecuted by the state.

But yeah, there are several jurisdictions where a President could issue blanket pardons for any and all crimes (D.C., military bases, Indian reservations).

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AGAIN, the feds are also bringing charges against Mangione and those could carry the FEDERAL death penalty. Biden could pardon that, even before trial and conviction, were he so inclined.

So on one hand, Biden's DOJ is about file charges on a crime for the death penalty and OTOH, pardoning those who have already been sentenced to death, in the same week.

Mangione was arraigned on the state charges this morning. Federal charges coming next.

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He didn't pardon them and certainly didn't pardon these folks before trial and conviction. He commuted their sentences, but they'll still stay in prison their whole life.

You're right to say he was indicted for murder with a firearm, which carries the possibility of federal death penalty. Biden *could* pardon that, but he won't. Mangione will probably plea guilty and take a concurrent life in prison sentence eventually for that one anyways.

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Who wants to bet these three get pardoned/commuted on Jan 19 ? ? ?

If your loved one wasn't murdered by a racist or a terrorist, it wasn't as heinous a crime, I guess. Sorry.

Biden is not there mentally so the real question is who is running this. If I were Trump I would get the DOJ on this day 1. Show the American people the truth.

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In his commuting of the sentences, is Biden only commuting the death penalty aspect of them, or are they being released?

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They all get life without parole

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Can't have them getting out where some family member could do what the government won't.

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But we all do this. You might draw the line somewhere else, but absent saying "the death penalty should be imposed for every crime" or "the death penalty should be imposed for every killing", then you're making your own distinction between when it is OK and when it not OK.

Biden's obviously drawing a much higher line than most here would, and folks are free to disagree, but we all draw lines and make those judgments about the death penalty.

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So, where is the line? There's no rational reason that would segregate out these 3 in favor of those 37.

Congress draws the line in the first instance, deciding what level of crimes are eligible. Then, prosecutors take a second look in making their charging decisions. Finally, jurors make a decision based upon the law as instructed by the judge. Now, we've got Biden redrawing the line, and the only logical reason I can think of for this is that it is simply because some left wing aides get a kick out of giving clemency to evil doers because they know it will inflame anyone to the right of them politically.

It's purely political and he knows it.

Pretty sure he wouldn't do this is one of Hunter's dealers shot him in the face.

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But we all do this. You might draw the line somewhere else, but absent saying "the death penalty should be imposed for every crime" or "the death penalty should be imposed for every killing", then you're making your own distinction between when it is OK and when it not OK.

Biden's obviously drawing a much higher line than most here would, and folks are free to disagree, but we all draw lines and make those judgments about the death penalty.

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So, where is the line? There's no rational reason that would segregate out these 3 in favor of those 37.

Congress draws the line in the first instance, deciding what level of crimes are eligible. Then, prosecutors take a second look in making their charging decisions. Finally, jurors make a decision based upon the law as instructed by the judge. Now, we've got Biden redrawing the line, and the only logical reason I can think of for this is that it is simply because some left wing aides get a kick out of giving clemency to evil doers because they know it will inflame anyone to the right of them politically.

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He's obviously drawn the line at terrorism and hate crimes. Its actually a pullback from what he suggested he'd do on the campaign trail which was get rid of all of them. He must think those are the worst of the worst on the spectrum.

Why does Texas allow the death penalty because the victim is 5 but not if the victim is 6 years old or wherever the line is drawn now (10 years old?)? Why does Texas allow the death penalty for murdering a judge but not someone with another job?

I'm not saying I agree with where he drew the line, but to say its immoral or illogical to have a line somewhere in the first place, we all have a line somewhere in the first place.

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He's a disgusting human being but he also barely knows what planet it is on right now. This is not coming from him. I mean he probably agrees with it, but this is just so wrong on so many levels. None of these people better ever see free space again.

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They all get life without parole

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I bet you at least a few of them end up getting out at some point. There are many ways of legal maneuvering. They can pull now since it's not a death anymore. Democrats can literally go to hell.

If my child had been raped and murdered by one of these people and I found out, they were not going to get the death penalty, I truly don't know what I would do. Biden and the people behind him can go **** themselves.

I don't get this...

If he is saying it's wrong for the goverment to execute based on his time as a public defender blah blah.

Then why leave a few on death row?

Because the blowback would be too immense for those others? That doesn't sound like a moral decision then... further proof democrats don't have any morals or ethics.

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I don't get this...

If he is saying it's wrong for the goverment to execute based on his time as a public defender blah blah.

Then why leave a few on death row?

Because the blowback would be too immense for those others? That doesn't sound like a moral decision then... further proof democrats don't have any morals or ethics.

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Or logic. Just look at the idiocy being posted as justification in this thread.

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They all get life without parole

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I bet you at least a few of them end up getting out at some point. There are many ways of legal maneuvering. They can pull now since it's not a death anymore.

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Life without parole means they'd need to win an appeal of their conviction, and taking the death penalty off the table only makes that harder, not easier.

Biden is such a raging POS.

Has been his whole selfish, grifting life.

Family is just like him.

Losers all.

Why would I not be surprised.

Don't think you could actually do this, but I wouldn't put it past them to try.

I am increasingly worried Biden is going to blanket pardon every single illegal alien in the country before he leaves office.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) December 23, 2024

Can Trump just reinstate the death penalties?

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Can Trump just reinstate the death penalties?

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He's obviously drawn the line at terrorism and hate crimes. Its actually a pullback from what he suggested he'd do on the campaign trail which was get rid of all of them. He must think those are the worst of the worst on the spectrum.

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"Hate crimes" is about as meaningful a description as "assault weapon." There is no logic here other than left wing provocateurs amongst his demented and evil staff.

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Why would I not be surprised.

Don't think you could actually do this, but I wouldn't put it past them to try.

I am increasingly worried Biden is going to blanket pardon every single illegal alien in the country before he leaves office.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) December 23, 2024

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He might, but it wouldn't change their immigration status. It would just mean that they would be absolved of the crime of crossing illegally (or overstaying a visa, or what have you).

My interpretation of what Biden has done to this country: "Stick it up your hiney hole".

Obama and his tool, Biden, literally hate what it took almost 250 to build.

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I am not so sure about that. A pardon can be the same as amnesty, I thought? Like what Carter did with draft dodgers?