AlaskanAg99 said:45-70Ag said:
I was on the fence about trump pardoning every January 6th person. Screw it, pardon them all. And pardon every single person in federal prison for white collar crimes.
This is dumb. White Collar crimes can absolutely devastate tons of people who possibly lost their savings and or retirements. Some white collar criminals deserve to be executed.
SwigAg11 said:
In his commuting of the sentences, is Biden only commuting the death penalty aspect of them, or are they being released?
Mix them back into the prison population and then let nature take its course. Those that survive send them back to the next prison. Rinse and repeat.YokelRidesAgain said:
Biden has commuted the sentences of 37 prisoners on federal death row, leaving only the Boston Marathon bomber and two people who committed mass murders at religious services on death row.
I can't support the rationale here: the death penalty is either wrong or it isn't. This is yet another example of this administration saying that it would do one thing, and then doing another.
No one is being released. All will be resentenced to life (I believe without possibility of parole, although that could vary based on statutes at time of sentencing).No Spin Ag said:
I will be very surprised if they're being released.
If you want to have a "debate the death penalty thread", go start one.Logos Stick said:
I'll take that as a "yes".
Liberalism is mental illness.
45-70Ag said:
They'll live on the taxpayers dime for decades to come.
Big Prison wins yet again.YokelRidesAgain said:No one is being released. All will be resentenced to life (I believe without possibility of parole, although that could vary based on statutes at time of sentencing).No Spin Ag said:
I will be very surprised if they're being released.
The kids in this picture are Luis Julian (4) and Luis Damian (3) Escobedo. They were shot 10 times at point-blank range by 2 drug dealers.
— AG (@AGHamilton29) December 23, 2024
Joe Biden just commuted the sentences of their killers. pic.twitter.com/HJS3ewI6w8
SwigAg11 said:
In his commuting of the sentences, is Biden only commuting the death penalty aspect of them, or are they being released?
Quote:
"Today, I am commuting the sentences of 37 of the 40 individuals on federal death row to life sentences without the possibility of parole," Biden announced in a statement released Monday.
amercer said:45-70Ag said:
They'll live on the taxpayers dime for decades to come.
Which will still be cheaper than executing them.
No Spin Ag said:I fully get why people think Luiigi did a good thing. There are just as many on the right (online, at least) who think the same. However, no one with a brain cell or sense of justice sees what Biden did as a good thing.LMCane said:HumbleAg04 said:
Death penalty is only for the wealthy comrades.
Leftists supporting White House:
"Luigi is a hero for shooting that CEO!!"
Also leftists supporting the White House"
"we are going to now help convicted rapists and murderers!"
Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.
aggiehawg said:
Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.
Quote:
President Biden has dedicated his career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system. He believes that America must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level, except in cases of terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder which is why today's actions apply to all but those cases.
Horn_in_Aggieland said:
Here are the 37 from https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/12/23/federal-death-row-inmates-biden-commuted-list/77168365007/
Shannon Wayne Agofsky (Texas): Sentenced in 2004 in the killing of a prisoner.
Billie Jerome Allen (Missouri): Sentenced in 1998 for his involvement in an armed bank robbery during which a bank guard was killed. He is a co-defendant of Norris Holder.
Aquilia Marcivicci Barnette (North Carolina): Sentenced in 1998 for the killing of his ex-girlfriend and another man in a carjacking.
Brandon Leon Basham (South Carolina): Sentenced in 2004 for the kidnapping and death of a woman following an escape from prison. He is a co-defendant of Chadrick Fulks.
Anthony George Battle (Georgia): Sentenced in 1997 for the killing of a prison guard.
Meier Jason Brown (Georgia): Sentenced in 2003 for the fatal stabbing of a postal worker.
Carlos David Caro (Virginia): Sentenced in 2007 for the killing of a prisoner in a federal facility.
Wesley Paul Coonce, Jr. (Missouri): Sentenced in 2014 for the killing of a fellow prisoner in the mental health unit of a federal prison. He is a co-defendant of Charles Hall.
Brandon Michael Council (South Carolina): Sentenced in 2019 for killing two bank employees during the course of a bank robbery.
Christopher Emery Cramer (Texas): Sentenced in 2018 for the killing of a fellow prisoner in a federal facility. He is a co-defendant of Ricky Fackrell.
Len Davis (Louisiana): Police officer sentenced in 2005 for ordering the killing of a witness for an internal investigation into a police misconduct complaint against him.
Joseph Ebron (Texas): Sentenced in 2009 for the killing of a prisoner in a federal facility.
Ricky Allen Fackrell (Texas): Sentenced in 2018 for the killing of a prisoner in a federal facility. He is a co-defendant of Christopher Cramer.
Edward Leon Fields, Jr. (Oklahoma): Sentenced in 2005 for the fatal shootings of two campers on federal land.
Chadrick Evan Fulks (South Carolina): Sentenced in 2004 for the kidnapping and death of a woman after an escape from prison. He is a co-defendant of Brandon Basham.
Marvin Charles Gabrion, II (Michigan): Sentenced in 2002 for killing a woman on federal land.
Edgar Baltazar Garcia (Texas): Sentenced in 2010 for the fatal stabbing of a prisoner in a federal facility. He is a co-defendant of Mark Snarr.
Thomas Morocco Hager (Virginia): Sentenced in 2007 for a drug-related killing.
Charles Michael Hall (Missouri): Sentenced in 2014 for the killing of a prisoner in the mental health unit of a federal prison. He is a co-defendant of Wesley Coonce.
Norris G. Holder (Missouri): Sentenced in 1998 for the fatal shooting of a security guard during a bank robbery. He is a co-defendant of Billie Allen.
Richard Allen Jackson (North Carolina): Sentenced in 2001 for the fatal shooting of a woman while on federal property.
Jurijus Kadamovas (California): Sentenced in 2007 for his involvement in the killings and kidnappings-for-ransom of five immigrants from Russia and Georgia. He is a co-defendant of Iouri Mikhel.
Daryl Lawrence (Ohio): Sentenced in 2006 for the fatal shooting of a special-duty police officer in an attempted bank robbery.
Iouri Mikhel (California): Sentenced in 2007 for his involvement in the killings and kidnappings-for-ransom of five Russian and Georgian immigrants. He is a co-defendant of Jurijus Kadamovas.
Ronaldo Mikos (Illinois): Sentenced in 2005 for the killing of a federal grand jury witness in a Medicare fraud investigation.
James H. Roane, Jr. (Virginia): Sentenced in 1993 for his participation in a series of drug-related killings. He is a co-defendant of Corey Johnson and Richard Tipton.
Julius Omar Robinson (Texas): Sentenced in 2002 for the killing of two men in drug-related incidents.
David Anthony Runyon (Virginia): Sentenced in 2009 for his involvement in the death of a Naval officer in a murder-for-hire plot.
Ricardo Sanchez, Jr. (Florida): Sentenced in 2009 for his involvement in the drug-related killing of a family, including two children. He is a co-defendant of Daniel Troya.
Thomas Steven Sanders (Louisiana): Sentenced in 2014 for a kidnapping resulting in death of a 12-year-old girl.
Kaboni Savage (Pennsylvania): Sentenced in 2013 for his involvement in the killings of 12 people in connection with a drug enterprise.
Mark Isaac Snarr (Texas): Sentenced in 2010 for the fatal stabbing of a fellow prisoner while incarcerated in a federal prison. He is a co-defendant of Edgar Garcia.
Rejon Taylor (Tennessee): Sentenced in 2008 for the carjacking, kidnapping and death of a restaurant owner.
Richard Tipton (Virginia): Sentenced in 1993 for his participation in a series of drug-related killings. He is a co-defendant of Corey Johnson and James H. Roane, Jr.
Jorge Avila Torrez (Virginia): Ex-Marine sentenced in 2014 for the killing of a fellow service member.
Daniel Troya (Florida): Sentenced in 2009 for his involvement in the drug-related killing of a family, including two children. He is a co-defendant of Ricardo Sanchez, Jr.
Alejandro Enrique Ramirez Umana (North Carolina): Sentenced in 2010 for the fatal shooting of two brothers in a North Carolina restaurant.
aggiehawg said:
Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.
unmade bed said:aggiehawg said:
Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.
I don't think "plenary" covers state crimes.
Even worse. The left is the true evil of our time.IslanderAg04 said:No Spin Ag said:I fully get why people think Luiigi did a good thing. There are just as many on the right (online, at least) who think the same. However, no one with a brain cell or sense of justice sees what Biden did as a good thing.LMCane said:HumbleAg04 said:
Death penalty is only for the wealthy comrades.
Leftists supporting White House:
"Luigi is a hero for shooting that CEO!!"
Also leftists supporting the White House"
"we are going to now help convicted rapists and murderers!"
Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.
News flash, but a number of prominent democrats were advocating to have this done.
Sheesh, try to keep up.TXAggie2011 said:unmade bed said:aggiehawg said:
Here's a scary thought. The power of pardon is plenary. If Biden (or those controlling him) wanted to, he could pardon Luigi Mangione right now.
I don't think "plenary" covers state crimes.
Correct.
And New York hasn't executed someone since before the Beatles played Ed Sullivan, anyways.
