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Chip is grand standing.

No sense of awareness and will cost his district

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Dude won his district by 26 freaking points. He has no need to grandstand and will never lose his district as long as he feels like running.

He is one of the few guys in congress taking a principled stand. The fact that you fools oppose him shows why the GOP never win their policy desires.

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The sides are clearly defined. Democrats always, always stick together, right or wrong.

Trust Trump or continue to bicker for the next 4 years.


Shutting down is a good thing but eventually an agreement must be passed and ol Roy probably screwed his district by becoming the spokes person for the Lizzy Republicans.

Let's watch and see how this plays out.

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The fact that you call a guy who is more conservative than Cruz a "Lizzy republican" tells me all I need to know: You have no clue what is going on.

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He's got severe TDS. Forget what Trump is going to do. Forget everything but go ahead and go with the left if it hinders Trump. I mean, it will cost money to deport the millions of illegals. It will cost money to pay the severance that the swamp will get to can their ass. But, we need cuts RIGHT NOW.

OK, how about do something other than vote no. I've not seen a plan from this guy that funds the items Trump wants. Just *****, moan and get in Trump's way.

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How much do you want to bet that Trump's spending increases every year of his presidency?

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Gonna take a while to get interest, SS and Medicare under control. But, it won't go up nearly as much as it has when this current batch of Republicans were in control of the house, and they kept giving Biden everything he wanted. Chopping departments and deporting millions may cost some the first two years, but the long term savings will be very large.

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get interest, SS and Medicare under control.

Chopping departments

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According to the Trumpist on this thread, we cannot have the debt ceiling because it will constraints trump spending so much it will threaten his entire agenda and that's why it needs to be suspended for the next two years.

But, remember. Trump is not a conservative, fiscally or otherwise. He is a populist, so he is not overly concerned with reducing any deficit or debt so long as the money being spent or costs incurred primarily benefits the American people instead of foreign nations.

I generally agree that the debt ceiling needs to be done away with if it's never actually observed.

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According to TDS, we have to shut down the government THIS TIME because Trump actually may spend money on things like finishing the wall, paying severance and deporting millions of illegals.

If course, they have had 4 years to do whatever needed to be done, but just let everything go. But NOW is the time to not fund all the things the country gave Trump the mandate to do. NOW is the time to shut everything down.

You can believe that BS, or just realize that the TDS of those that don't like Trump are just trying to stand in his way and voting along with the Democrats.

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You are simply not getting it. This isn't about just spending money on the wall or deporting illegals.

It's about writing a two year blank check for EVERYTHING. An unlimited credit card with no payments - and no receipts indicating how much was spent - for the next two years.

We're currently operating under a debt ceiling suspension. That's why we see news articles every other day spending billions under executive order. There's no constraint to him doing so.

Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario. But why be afraid of a debt ceiling, when it can be used to cut the bloated pork in other parts of the government? Remember, all Musk and Ramaswamy can do is make recommendations. Ones that are much easier to ignore if no one is concerned about the books.

The problem is that it never is used for its purpose. It just gets raised ad nauseum.

So, if we're not going to use it for its function and change tact when we approach it, then just stop playing games and kill it

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The problem is that it never is used for its purpose. It just gets raised ad nauseum.

So, if we're not going to use it for its function and change tact when we approach it, then just stop playing games and kill it

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Would we be having this discussion without it?

Probably. The debt and deficit are talked about all the time outside the every so often debt ceiling discussion.

But, seeing how there's always pork or bad deals that must be made to get it passed we'd be better off without it. Its clear there's not enough members in congress will to actually abide by the spirit of the tool to make it useful in any way

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So WHY someone voted against it is irrelevant to you?

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Correct.

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Probably. The debt and deficit are talked about all the time outside the every so often debt ceiling discussion.

But, seeing how there's always pork or bad deals that must be made to get it passed we'd be better off without it. Its clear there's not enough members in congress will to actually abide by the spirit of the tool to make it useful in any way

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You could say the same about the Constitution, as well. The government, which is what it was written to limit, isn't even abiding by it, so why even keep it around. The fix is to start doing it right, not get rid of the rules altogether.

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Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario.

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It's a core policy on his platform. He ran on it. He's put 2 incredibly successful billionaires on it. His history is to fight very hard for his core policies.

But the TDS thinks they will be the ones "forcing" Trump to continue to support his core policies.

LOL

I mean, if you want to go to an extreme end, by all means.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

Musk tweeted it's a good idea to break the bills up into single issues.

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$54B in cuts is wiped out by the rise in interest expense in the incremental new debt alone. Even if the the 54B is doubles it's not enough,

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This is a very good point. I don't know what the average interest rate on the debt is currently, or the timing of the new debt increase, but -

5 trillion x 4% is 200 billion in interest expense added per year. DOGE would have to find a lot of savings just to cover the added interest on the new debt.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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I agree with the bolded above wholeheartedly. If you don't appreciate the uniqueness of the moment and the need for the new administration to have the immediate funding flexibility to enact its agenda that includes cutting spending, I got nothing else for you.

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Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario.

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It's a core policy on his platform. He ran on it. He's put 2 incredibly successful billionaires on it. His history is to fight very hard for his core policies.

But the TDS thinks they will be the ones "forcing" Trump to continue to support his core policies.

LOL

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Interesting that you play the TDS card here. Yet at the end of the day, it's not about Trump. It's about accountability and guiderails for government in general.

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It's about Trump's policies. Kill agencies. Deport illegals. Secure the border. These are going to cost money to do. Shutting down the government right before he takes over or severely limiting what he can spend will slow his effectiveness. Notice, nothing proposed by these TDS'ers mentions any of this or how they to propose to pay for these items.

I know these TDS'ers are hiding behind that, but if they really were interested in that, they would have done something long before now.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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I agree with the bolded above wholeheartedly. If you don't appreciate the uniqueness of the moment and the need for the new administration to have the immediate funding flexibility to enact its agenda that includes cutting spending, I got nothing else for you.

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I agree also. So why not put a proposal that incorporates his policies and cuts spending. Because that's never been the goal.

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Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario.

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It's a core policy on his platform. He ran on it. He's put 2 incredibly successful billionaires on it. His history is to fight very hard for his core policies.

But the TDS thinks they will be the ones "forcing" Trump to continue to support his core policies.

LOL

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Man I don't know how some people are this naive.

The debt ceiling is a complete joke. It's nothing more than a tool for leverage to push pork across the line. The debt ceiling is nothing more than Barry's red line in the sand. Just do aways with it entirely. It s not needed to cut spending it's just a mirage

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Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario.

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Is it your assertion that shutting down, for example, the department of education, would cost more than the roughly 328 billion dollars that it would otherwise spend over the course of trumps term?

It's a core policy on his platform. He ran on it. He's put 2 incredibly successful billionaires on it. His history is to fight very hard for his core policies.

But the TDS thinks they will be the ones "forcing" Trump to continue to support his core policies.

LOL

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Interesting that you play the TDS card here. Yet at the end of the day, it's not about Trump. It's about accountability and guiderails for government in general.

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It's about Trump's policies. Kill agencies. Deport illegals. Secure the border. These are going to cost money to do. Shutting down the government right before he takes over or severely limiting what he can spend will slow his effectiveness. Notice, nothing proposed by these TDS'ers mentions any of this or how they to propose to pay for these items.

I know these TDS'ers are hiding behind that, but if they really were interested in that, they would have done something long before now.

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Is it your assertion that shutting down, for example, the department of education, would cost more than the roughly 328 billion dollars that it would otherwise spend over the course of trumps term?

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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I agree with the bolded above wholeheartedly. If you don't appreciate the uniqueness of the moment and the need for the new administration to have the immediate funding flexibility to enact its agenda that includes cutting spending, I got nothing else for you.

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I agree also. So why not put a proposal that incorporates his policies and cuts spending. Because that's never been the goal.

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Yea, and let's have that by close of business today?!?

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Extend suspension of the debt ceiling, and no incentive remains for Trump to be fiscally responsible under such a scenario.

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Is it your assertion that shutting down, for example, the department of education, would cost more than the roughly 328 billion dollars that it would otherwise spend over the course of trumps term?

It's a core policy on his platform. He ran on it. He's put 2 incredibly successful billionaires on it. His history is to fight very hard for his core policies.

But the TDS thinks they will be the ones "forcing" Trump to continue to support his core policies.

LOL

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Interesting that you play the TDS card here. Yet at the end of the day, it's not about Trump. It's about accountability and guiderails for government in general.

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It's about Trump's policies. Kill agencies. Deport illegals. Secure the border. These are going to cost money to do. Shutting down the government right before he takes over or severely limiting what he can spend will slow his effectiveness. Notice, nothing proposed by these TDS'ers mentions any of this or how they to propose to pay for these items.

I know these TDS'ers are hiding behind that, but if they really were interested in that, they would have done something long before now.

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Is it your assertion that shutting down, for example, the department of education, would cost more than the roughly 328 billion dollars that it would otherwise spend over the course of trumps term?

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I'm saying paying that entire department 2 years of salary as severance will cost more in year 1 than just paying them their regular salary. Or whatever Biden gives them as severance. I think they are now making these packages insanely expensive.

That will add to the cost of his first year and maybe 2. There are more expenses. Getting rid of the debt ceiling gives him time to fix this without this insanely stupid debt ceiling argument every 3-6 months that will slow down his success and not do anything else.

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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I agree with the bolded above wholeheartedly. If you don't appreciate the uniqueness of the moment and the need for the new administration to have the immediate funding flexibility to enact its agenda that includes cutting spending, I got nothing else for you.

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I agree also. So why not put a proposal that incorporates his policies and cuts spending. Because that's never been the goal.

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Yea, and let's have that by close of business today?!?

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It's already been a month and a half. These policies are not new.

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So in other words, he voted with the democrats. Got it.

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Weird how you are willing to so openly lie like that. You don't feel even a twinge of shame?

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Where is the lie? That's literally what happened. Democrats voted against it. Chip voted against it. Sort of the end of the discussion. Everything else is just you trying to justify it

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Saying he voted "with" the democrats implied he agrees with them and joined them side by side. That is absolutely not what happened and you know it.

That is like saying Goldwater was a racist who voted "with" the segregationists when he voted against the civil rights act. Despite him previously desegregated the senate cafeteria so that his black assistant could eat there like everybody else. He really voted against it because it dictated it to the private sector and he realized that it would be used to force quotas in the future (and he was 100% correct).

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We've been down this road a hundred times. We need to raise it now to cut later…. Later never comes.

The American people clearly said fix it now, and a month later here we are again playing the same game.

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So Trump's historic victory, his mandate, DOGE and the team he has assembled is just business is usual?

I'm willing (for the time being) to have faith this isn't just another uniparty head fake. Old Chipper needs to get off his bombastic high horse and look at the big picture.

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So Trumps first 4 years in office and the fact that he wants to get rid of the debt ceiling doesn't tell you it is business as usual? I don't care who is in office, they need to be held to standards while they are there, not given keys to the kingdom with no rules.

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Sure, this is exactly like Trump's first term when he really wasn't prepared to win, had little clue what he was doing, had no resources to staff the administration with loyalists and was hamstrung by the effing blob and the uniparty at every turn!?!

Better not spend any additional money on border security, deportations and like unless we have a balanced budget, am I right? Wouldn't want to violate our conservative principals.

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Yeah, let's assume something that has never happened will happen instead of assuming what has happened every time will happen again... I'd be glad for Trump to implement his agenda... do it with the money we already have instead of what we don't. It's not like it's impossible to do.

I can guarantee you the job of the Federal Government can be done with less than 7 Trillion dollars, including Trumps agenda. This is insanity.

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I agree with the bolded above wholeheartedly. If you don't appreciate the uniqueness of the moment and the need for the new administration to have the immediate funding flexibility to enact its agenda that includes cutting spending, I got nothing else for you.

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I agree also. So why not put a proposal that incorporates his policies and cuts spending. Because that's never been the goal.

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Yea, and let's have that by close of business today?!?

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It's already been a month and a half. These policies are not new.

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Gotta be sarcasm...

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Chip is grand standing.

No sense of awareness and will cost his district

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Dude won his district by 26 freaking points. He has no need to grandstand and will never lose his district as long as he feels like running.

He is one of the few guys in congress taking a principled stand. The fact that you fools oppose him shows why the GOP never win their policy desires.

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The sides are clearly defined. Democrats always, always stick together, right or wrong.

Trust Trump or continue to bicker for the next 4 years.


Shutting down is a good thing but eventually an agreement must be passed and ol Roy probably screwed his district by becoming the spokes person for the Lizzy Republicans.

Let's watch and see how this plays out.

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The fact that you call a guy who is more conservative than Cruz a "Lizzy republican" tells me all I need to know: You have no clue what is going on.

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He's got severe TDS. Forget what Trump is going to do. Forget everything but go ahead and go with the left if it hinders Trump. I mean, it will cost money to deport the millions of illegals. It will cost money to pay the severance that the swamp will get to can their ass. But, we need cuts RIGHT NOW.

OK, how about do something other than vote no. I've not seen a plan from this guy that funds the items Trump wants. Just *****, moan and get in Trump's way.

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He has stated his plan many times. Johnson locked himself in a room with 3 other people to come up with his ridiculous plans. What do you want Roy to do? Break the door down?

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And yet you still didn't answer my question. Do you believe SS will be eliminated in the next 4 years? 8?

If not, what you want is a fantasy?

The only thing that will fix it is collapse.

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No I don't, because too many people like you are weak willed and refuse to support people who would actually have it happen. As this thread proves.

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You seem to not understand that there are more takers than makers now. Universal suffrage has boned us.

Now it's just math.

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So your solution is to bash the one guy who is actually fighting to do the right thing?

So smart.

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My solution is to support the guy the US elected to mitigate the damage and expect those in his party to do the same.

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And yet when that guy supports aggravating the damage, you blindly support it and bash the one guy pushing to actually mitigate it.

Makes total sense.

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Let's revisit this every 12/20 and see who was right on whether SS will continue to exist.

It will until one of three things changes. You're dead. I'm dead. The nation collapsed.

I'lll keep voting to keep more of my money until one of those occurs.

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You are acting like I THINK SS will cease to exist. I said it won't. Because of people like you.

So we will come back every 12/20 and say "yep.. aTmAg was right. SS still exists because people like Tom Fox continue to attack the people like Chip Roy who want to scale it all back."

The only way for it to actually be scaled back is for people like you to stop being like you. Actually fight for a change. Maybe some day you will give that a shot.

I'm sort of surprised this is still getting so much attention. We all know Trump is going to still have a propensity to get mad at various congress critters with an (R) by their name over the next 4 years, right?

Its ome thing to **** talk someone like Lindsey Graham. Its another to do it to a real conservative like roy who is still interested in our budgetary problems

Oh I'm not a fan of it I just don't think the conservative angst can stay this pegged to 10 level for the next 48 months.

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Chip is grand standing.

No sense of awareness and will cost his district

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Dude won his district by 26 freaking points. He has no need to grandstand and will never lose his district as long as he feels like running.

He is one of the few guys in congress taking a principled stand. The fact that you fools oppose him shows why the GOP never win their policy desires.

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The sides are clearly defined. Democrats always, always stick together, right or wrong.

Trust Trump or continue to bicker for the next 4 years.


Shutting down is a good thing but eventually an agreement must be passed and ol Roy probably screwed his district by becoming the spokes person for the Lizzy Republicans.

Let's watch and see how this plays out.

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The fact that you call a guy who is more conservative than Cruz a "Lizzy republican" tells me all I need to know: You have no clue what is going

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January 13, 2021
Press Release
WASHINGTON Rep. Chip Roy issued the following statement Wednesday evening:
It has come to my attention that a number of my colleagues are circulating calls for Liz Cheney to step down from, or to be removed as, Chair of the Republican Conference for her position in support of impeachment of the President. I reject this call, and offer my support.
While we reached a different conclusion on the vote regarding impeachment, as we have on other matters, Liz came to her conclusion based on the totality of the circumstances surrounding the President's actions leading to the events that occurred on January 6th, 2021. Liz viewed the articles as the sole vote in front of us, and that we did not get the chance to edit them. I viewed them as flawed in their structure because the focus on incitement is dangerous as constructed. But, one thing is clear: there can be little debate that, among other things, the President's pressure exerted on Vice President Pence to violate his oath, and the false hope it sent to emotionally charged supporters, was wrong, troubling, and impeachable.
Liz should be commended, not condemned, for standing up in defense of the Constitution and standing true to her
https://roy.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-roy-rejects-calls-remove-chairwoman-cheney-house-gop-leadership


Dude is a Lizzy Republican and like it or not.



Dude is been in Washington and crowing but doing nothing.