NYT with failed "gotcha" attempt against RFK

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Quo Vadis?
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I have zero idea how you have any respect for yourself as a journalist or even a human being after writing such an idiotic paragraph as the one I've screen shotted and posted.

"The ingredients are the same except for the berry and carrot colorings being replaced with a host of dyes and chemicals that sound like explosives"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/health/rfk-big-food-artificial-dyes-trump.html
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They don't get it and are doing somebody else's bidding
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Get ready for a steady supply of (sponsored) hit pieces on literally every Trump agenda item.

I wish every story would be cataloged with the author and their personal politics shown for the world to see. This would immediately question the source and truth to the article. Shine that light on these sobs.
Pretty sure most of you don’t know me.
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Jack Squat 83 said:

Get ready for a steady supply of (sponsored) hit pieces on literally every Trump agenda item.

I wish every story would be cataloged with the author and their personal politics shown for the world to see. This would immediately question the source and truth to the article. Shine that light on these sobs.
I think that their credibility is so shot by now that these "stories" don't matter.

As their ratings crater, and the American public catches on to the media's bias and lies, one would think they would look in the mirror and think about the lies they spew.

Look at what the owner of the LA Times Owner just did.

LA Times Owner revamps editorial board
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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It really is amazing to see the shift in the two main parties. Dems are fully onboard with big corporations and the Republicans are fighting them.
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CyclingAg82 said:

I think that their credibility is so shot by now that these "stories" don't matter.


Not with the left though. I was talking to someone who brought up the "very fine people" lie so I showed them the full video and she was like "oh well I guess it's not aaaas bad, he's still a racist" He said condemned totally…what more do you want!?

I guarantee you the next day she was back telling the same lie. It's like they have an auto-delete function in their programming whenever conflicting information makes its way in.
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I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments
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Yellow 5 is his big hangup.
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What an antivaxxing kook. Products are the EXACT same except for disodium hydroxy methoxy methyl sulfonatophenyl diazenyl naphthalene sulfonate, tartrazine, erioglaucine, and butylated hydroxytoluene.
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When my youngest was little, she had frequent bouts of stomach ailments. Doc said cut out Red dye 40. Cured it.
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RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.
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Um yeah natural coloring from fruit good, dyes added to make coloring bad. The NYT shouldn't be taken seriously.
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RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


Cry more
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A quick Google search of each of those listed a variety of issues they may cause. Sounds like a lazy writer to me.
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lobopride said:

It really is amazing to see the shift in the two main parties. Dems are fully onboard with big corporations and the Republicans are fighting them.
They must oppose Trump, no matter how rational and good his position is
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ts5641 said:

Um yeah natural coloring from fruit good, dyes added to make coloring bad. The NYT shouldn't be taken seriously.


Fruit vs petroleum byproducts. I mean, basically the same thing right?
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It's nuts how we flipped from blue haired leftists screaming that vaxes caused autism to them wanting people fired (or worse) from refusing the clot shot.



But….in those CRAZY butt ****ing times, you gotta also look at the other side of the coin. Conservatives went from "you have to have these vaxes" to "these vaxes are dangerous."

I try to keep this dichotomy in mind and remember just how things flipped.
Well…you sounded taller on radio.
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RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments
Isn't that literally the basis that was used to grant immunity to the vaccine manufacturers in the first place? That they can't in principle be proven safe?
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They also sacrificed one of their journalists, IIRC, for sending out nude pics while trying to get RFK, Jr.

Classy company
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RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


You seem angry that someone is trying to make Americans healthy. Wonder why?
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Quo Vadis? said:

I have zero idea how you have any respect for yourself as a journalist or even a human being after writing such an idiotic paragraph as the one I've screen shotted and posted.

"The ingredients are the same except for the berry and carrot colorings being replaced with a host of dyes and chemicals that sound like explosives"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/health/rfk-big-food-artificial-dyes-trump.html

Identification of In Vitro Metabolites of Synthetic Phenolic Antioxidants BHT, BHA, and TBHQ by LC-HRMS/MS
4. Conclusions

The metabolism of BHT and several analogs were investigated in vitro using human and rat liver microsomes and S9 fractions. Many oxidative metabolites, GSH adducts, glucuronide, and sulfate conjugates were detected with excellent mass accuracy, some of which had not been previously reported. Structures of biotransformation products were elucidated by HRMS/MS data and supported using isotope-labeled analogs. These results have enabled many biotransformation products to be determined, which are potentially involved in the toxicity of these compounds. Knowledge of all these possible metabolites would be useful in assessing environmental exposure to these compounds.

Toluene is a very dangerous chemical with serious health implications. So I just pulled up a study on the metabolites of BHT. Looks like no Toluene is released but some questions raised. Long study and may be of interest to some.
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LOYAL AG said:

RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.
One small, but necessary correction. "Fascism" is NOT a political system in which corporations own and run the government. Fascism is the reverse. Otherwise, right on.
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Helicopter Ben said:

CyclingAg82 said:

I think that their credibility is so shot by now that these "stories" don't matter.


Not with the left though. I was talking to someone who brought up the "very fine people" lie so I showed them the full video and she was like "oh well I guess it's not aaaas bad, he's still a racist" He said condemned totally…what more do you want!?

I guarantee you the next day she was back telling the same lie. It's like they have an auto-delete function in their programming whenever conflicting information makes its way in.
Unfortunate...the true mentally brainwashed are immune to the facts.

That applies to the left and right.
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It's hilarious.

The left are the granola organic party.

Until there's a guy on the other side that promotes organic, then their principles go out the window.
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LOYAL AG said:

RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/15/exp-robert-kennedy-junior-rfk-2024-election-biden-trump-vaccines-121511aseg1-cnni-politics.cnn?cid=ios_app

He says it and then deflects it in the interview. I agree the FDA is corrupt and we need a shakeup. I do not think a career Enviromental lawyer who has a questionable past and low functioning morals would be the one to do it

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Esteban du Plantier said:

It's hilarious.

The left are the granola organic party.

Until there's a guy on the other side that promotes organic, then their principles go out the window.


I'm all for it, organic, changes to pesticides, changes to the FDA. All are things we have been saying for decades. I do not however trust his judgement and worry about his reliance on quack science
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It's just a few chemicals.. it's still good.
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RONA Ag said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

It's hilarious.

The left are the granola organic party.

Until there's a guy on the other side that promotes organic, then their principles go out the window.


I'm all for it, organic, changes to pesticides, changes to the FDA. All are things we have been saying for decades. I do not however trust his judgement and worry about his reliance on quack science
FDA runs on junk science, especially in its approval process of cancer drugs. A moderate milk toast go along wont be aggressive enough to make the changes needed, and RFK is exactly what is needed at this point in our history.
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RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments
Vaccines are not safe, and they cause injuries, this is beyond dispute. These companies should not have immunity and the tax payers are covering the costs of these lawsuites, over a billion dollars so far.
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They'll have to pry the fruit loops from my cold dead hands.

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G Martin 87 said:

LOYAL AG said:

RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.
One small, but necessary correction. "Fascism" is NOT a political system in which corporations own and run the government. Fascism is the reverse. Otherwise, right on.


What you describe is what I've always considered Socialism. In one of Kamala's Venn diagrams there's significant overlap but I've always considered fascism to be corporate control and socialism to be government control. Am I wrong?
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RONA Ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/15/exp-robert-kennedy-junior-rfk-2024-election-biden-trump-vaccines-121511aseg1-cnni-politics.cnn?cid=ios_app

He says it and then deflects it in the interview. I agree the FDA is corrupt and we need a shakeup. I do not think a career Enviromental lawyer who has a questionable past and low functioning morals would be the one to do it


I just watched this, and all I can say to you is WOW! You are a very troubled person if you cannot acknowledge what he was trying to say both in the hit job attempt from CNN as well as the original clip that she referred to and showed.

There was no attempt to deflect anything in his answer. The CNN reporter's original premise is misleading at best, and is more accurately described as a gross misrepresentation.

So let me break it down to you in the elementary terms that you apparently require in order to understand what RFK was saying:

The whole concept of live vaccines is that you are given a small dose of the live pathogen in order to introduce your body to the pathogen, where it can then develop antibodies to fight the pathogen. SO YOU ARE EXPOSING YOUR BODY TO THE PATHOGEN - albeit a small dose. And guess what, sometimes people overreact to the vaccine. But as RFK explicity said, the overall benefit outweighs the harm to a few folks as a whole, so he is not ANTI-vax.

Just as chemo or immunotherapy kills both healthy cells as well as the cancer. Sometimes the overall benefit outweighs the harm. But for my 91 year old father, chemo is counterproductive because it will kill him before the cancer will.

This is NOT hard. And by the way, provide some specific examples of "questionable past" and "low functioning morals". All I am seeing from you is continued pot shots from the cheap seats.
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RONA Ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

RONA Ag said:

I mean RFK stating that "there are no safe and effective vaccines" is probably the only thing that should be required to eliminate him from contention. Way too much copiom around here about some of these dog **** cabinet appointments


First I need your to prove that statement. He's spoken out against vaccines in some cases and said some controversial things buts he's on the record as having taken and given to his kids all the "normal" vaccines and has been clear he isn't anti-vaccine in general.

Second his understanding of his instructions from Trump were reported by BBC as "Speaking in an NPR interview this week, Kennedy said Trump had given him three "instructions": to remove "corruption" from health agencies, to return these bodies to "evidence-based science and medicine", and "to end the chronic disease epidemic"."

The system is absolutely corrupt with the FDA being beholden to corporate food producers and Big Pharma. Can he change that in four years? I don't know. Are you aware of anyone else even willing to speak out in this manner and try?

The US is a fascist nation with the corporations having completely taken over and Trump is going to try and take it back by implementing a cadre of outsiders. They're going to get criticized by the establishment because those same corporations that own the food and drug companies own the media. For my part I don't trust any of them and I'm willing to support him fighting back.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/15/exp-robert-kennedy-junior-rfk-2024-election-biden-trump-vaccines-121511aseg1-cnni-politics.cnn?cid=ios_app

He says it and then deflects it in the interview. I agree the FDA is corrupt and we need a shakeup. I do not think a career Enviromental lawyer who has a questionable past and low functioning morals would be the one to do it




That's fair, thank you.

We're at a strange crossroads where I don't know that the morality of the people we're entrusting is a viable means of selecting them. I mean two weeks ago we chose a serial philanderer over a serial other woman. Not sure morality matters much right now.

That aside I think RFK Jr is a kook but he's a smart guy and seems to have some bulldog in him. My hope is that Trump can keep him focused on the assigned tasks. As to him being an environmental lawyer I think that's the perfect background for his assignment. He's made a career out of taking on big organizations and that's the task at hand. Corporate America and the federal government are out of control and his background is such that he's used to seeing and pushing for change.
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