BMX Bandit said:

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The more I think about it, is there really going to be a public hearing for Gaetz? Would make Thomas hearing look like Sesame Street.


Don't see why Trump would want that to start off his second term line that

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I don't think so. I think several will bypass confirmation completely via planned Recess appointments.

Don't think that's the best strategy.

You already have Alito, Roberts & Thomas saying this is not a "recess" appointment. How hard is it to get two more?

I could see going that route for Gaetz. But several? Seems like a good way to flush a lot of work down the toilet

BMX Bandit said:

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The more I think about it, is there really going to be a public hearing for Gaetz? Would make Thomas hearing look like Sesame Street.


Don't see why Trump would want that to start off his second term line that

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It is up to the Senate not the President.. They have to power to recess or to proceed (approve/disapprove appointments).

Gaetz appears to have polarized Republican Senators.

Or Trump just gave Gaetz an easy out to resign frpm the House and avoid consequences of ethics investigation, then have him disapproved, and Trump hires him as an underling somewhere.

BREAKING- Senate leader John Thune said today that there are not enough votes to pass a recess, which would have allowed Trump's appointments to take their post without a hearing.

So Gaetz, and the others will have to go in front of committees and be grilled.

Your thoughts? pic.twitter.com/Qxx132fgHN

— Lovable Liberal and his Old English sheepdog (@DougWahl1) November 15, 2024

So if Johnson wants to adjourn, that means there is a disagreement?

And Trump can step in?

If Trump goes down this path of using a recess appointment for a cabinet level position, especially if he uses his power to adjourn Congress, it's definitely an escalation. This is well within his purview of course.

Having said that so is stacking the Supreme Court should the Dems ever be in the position to do so. Something to remember. Revenge is a thing.

I've decided not to worry about Gaetz. Trump's team had to have game planned his nomination out, and at minimum understood the risks, or more ideally, have figured a way around them. Nothing that happens should be a surprise.

Im Gipper said:

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BREAKING- Senate leader John Thune said today that there are not enough votes to pass a recess, which would have allowed Trump's appointments to take their post without a hearing.

So Gaetz, and the others will have to go in front of committees and be grilled.

Your thoughts? pic.twitter.com/Qxx132fgHN

— Lovable Liberal and his Old English sheepdog (@DougWahl1) November 15, 2024

So if Johnson wants to adjourn, that means there is a disagreement?

And Trump can step in?

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No.

Only disagreement between the Senate and the House of Representatives, not disagreement in the Senate.

Gaetz will not be approved by the Senate. It was a ploy by Trump/Gaetz to avoid ethics investigation fallout. They knew Gaetz would have to resign after fallout from the ethics investigation, so the nomination enabled Gaetz to resign to avoid the scandal fallout. This tells you a lot about the people involved.

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Gaetz will not be approved by the Senate. It was a ploy by Trump/Gaetz to avoid ethics investigation fallout. They knew Gaetz would have to resign after fallout from the ethics investigation, so the nomination enabled Gaetz to resign to avoid the scandal fallout. This tells you a lot about the people involved.

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If that's really true he could have resigned anyway. What makes you think Trump would take the black eye for him and tarnish his administration unnecessarily? There is no way the committee findings wouldn't be leaked anyway.

Sounds like some folks in the senate will be looking for a new job next time around. Trump will find out who they are, and will ensure they're weeded out in primaries.

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Sounds like some folks in the senate will be looking for a new job next time around. Trump will find out who they are, and will ensure they're weeded out in primaries.

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You think Murkowksi and Collins fear that? Or McConnell who isn't running again? And plenty of these Senators won't be facing a primary for four to six years which is forever in politics. They know voters have the memory of a goldfish. Not saying this will happen but to believe every GOP Senator is so terrified of Trump they they will vote his way on every issue is incredibly naive.

Get all approved to make the commie democrat heads explode.

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We'd all be freaking out if it went the other way. I don't like sidestepping the balance of power between the branches of government

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The idea that they're not going to pull whatever shenanigans when they get power back went out the window with Clinton, if not before. Do what needs to be done NOW. Otherwise, we're just playing into their hands.

saw a report this morning on local news suggesting Paxton will be the next AG. it suggested Trump nominated Gaetz as an extreme nominee that would make Paxton more palatable. interesting if true.

If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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There might be calls to replace him but the Senate is a bit more nuanced than the House. It's doesn't have quite the level of moronic behavior as we see in the likes of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz (gasp). The types who are constantly throwing hissy fits and calling for new leadership as soon as they don't get their way. While Thune may catch some heat I'd imagine he'd survive.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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ts5641 said:

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If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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There might be calls to replace him but the Senate is a bit more nuanced than the House. It's doesn't have quite the level of moronic behavior as we see in the likes of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz (gasp). The types who are constantly throwing hissy fits and calling for new leadership as soon as they don't get their way. While Thune may catch some heat I'd imagine he'd survive.

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If any Republicans resist Trump at the outset, the party should make it a top priority to eliminate them at the next opportunity. It is the only way to get things done. That includes Elon bankrolling their opponent and Trump campaigning against them like he is still running for President.

Do that at the two year mark and the message will get delivered.

Honestly if Trump accomplishes voting unity amongst Republicans to mirror democrats through force at the ballot box, it would be a significant accomplishment.

Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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ts5641 said:

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If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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There might be calls to replace him but the Senate is a bit more nuanced than the House. It's doesn't have quite the level of moronic behavior as we see in the likes of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz (gasp). The types who are constantly throwing hissy fits and calling for new leadership as soon as they don't get their way. While Thune may catch some heat I'd imagine he'd survive.

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If any Republicans resist Trump at the outset, the party should make it a top priority to eliminate them at the next opportunity. It is the only way to get things done. That includes Elon bankrolling their opponent and Trump campaigning against them like he is still running for President.

Do that at the two year mark and the message will get delivered.

Honestly if Trump accomplishes voting unity amongst Republicans to mirror democrats through force at the ballot box, it would be a significant accomplishment.

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Dream on.

Take Cruz for instance. He doesn't face a primary for six years. Which is a dozen lifetimes in politics. He's free to vote as he pleases, within reason of course, as he knows by the time he is up for election again Trump will have been out of office for two years. And there are plenty of other Senators in the same boat. Add to that the fact that after the midterms in 26' Trump becomes a lame duck which changes the game even more for politicians in how they can vote.

What all this means is that while Trump is riding high, and deservedly so, he does not have the absolute power that
so many here seem to think he has.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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ts5641 said:

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If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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There might be calls to replace him but the Senate is a bit more nuanced than the House. It's doesn't have quite the level of moronic behavior as we see in the likes of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz (gasp). The types who are constantly throwing hissy fits and calling for new leadership as soon as they don't get their way. While Thune may catch some heat I'd imagine he'd survive.

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If any Republicans resist Trump at the outset, the party should make it a top priority to eliminate them at the next opportunity. It is the only way to get things done. That includes Elon bankrolling their opponent and Trump campaigning against them like he is still running for President.

Do that at the two year mark and the message will get delivered.

Honestly if Trump accomplishes voting unity amongst Republicans to mirror democrats through force at the ballot box, it would be a significant accomplishment.

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Dream on.

Take Cruz for instance. He doesn't face a primary for six years. Which is a dozen lifetimes in politics. He's free to vote as he pleases, within reason of course, as he knows by the time he is up for election again Trump will have been out of office for two years. And there are plenty of other Senators in the same boat. Add to that the fact that after the midterms in 26' Trump becomes a lame duck which changes the game even more for politicians in how they can vote.

What all this means is that while Trump is riding high, and deservedly so, he does not have the absolute power that
so many here seem to think he has.

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That is why I said target those that are up in two years and set the precedent.

Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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ts5641 said:

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If Trump does this, it wouldn't be a good look for Thune to immediately oppose him. People will be calling for Thune to be replaced immediately.

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There might be calls to replace him but the Senate is a bit more nuanced than the House. It's doesn't have quite the level of moronic behavior as we see in the likes of MTG, Boebert, and Gaetz (gasp). The types who are constantly throwing hissy fits and calling for new leadership as soon as they don't get their way. While Thune may catch some heat I'd imagine he'd survive.

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If any Republicans resist Trump at the outset, the party should make it a top priority to eliminate them at the next opportunity. It is the only way to get things done. That includes Elon bankrolling their opponent and Trump campaigning against them like he is still running for President.

Do that at the two year mark and the message will get delivered.

Honestly if Trump accomplishes voting unity amongst Republicans to mirror democrats through force at the ballot box, it would be a significant accomplishment.

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Dream on.

Take Cruz for instance. He doesn't face a primary for six years. Which is a dozen lifetimes in politics. He's free to vote as he pleases, within reason of course, as he knows by the time he is up for election again Trump will have been out of office for two years. And there are plenty of other Senators in the same boat. Add to that the fact that after the midterms in 26' Trump becomes a lame duck which changes the game even more for politicians in how they can vote.

What all this means is that while Trump is riding high, and deservedly so, he does not have the absolute power that
so many here seem to think he has.

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That is why I said target those that are up in two years and set the precedent.

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Set the precedent that Presidents automatically get whatever they desire from their party members?

Hard pass. While unity is important even Presidents need to get their pee pee slapped on occasion… even Trump.

The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

That's only going to ensure Collins wins.

And Republicans need to give them a lifeline. Allow them a few high profile votes that go against the GOP. Votes which please moderates. Votes that are ultimately of no great consequence. Thus, when they run for reelection they can point to these votes and say, " see, I stood up to the madness when it counted".

Take Gaetz for instance. Throw him to the wolves. Allow the GOP senators in the purple states to vote no. They have their crowing achievement to give to their more moderate voters when they run for reelection and guess what…. It doesn't matter. Attorney Generals are a dime a dozen. Who can name more than a handful of them in the past 30 years? And there are plenty of rapid hardcore conservatives that Trump can name to replace Gaetz.

Tom Fox said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

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Primary Collins and you put a Democrat in her seat. She's as good as it gets in regards to Republicans when it comes to Maine. She's votes with the GOP about 91% of the time. I'll take that.

Im Gipper said:

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BREAKING- Senate leader John Thune said today that there are not enough votes to pass a recess, which would have allowed Trump's appointments to take their post without a hearing.

So Gaetz, and the others will have to go in front of committees and be grilled.

Your thoughts? pic.twitter.com/Qxx132fgHN

— Lovable Liberal and his Old English sheepdog (@DougWahl1) November 15, 2024

So if Johnson wants to adjourn, that means there is a disagreement?

And Trump can step in?

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My thought is that we need to primary some more republicans. They refuse to lead. They always squander power. Meanwhile, we ratchet ever leftward. I can only assume that's what they want.

Who would you primary?

Anyone who is blocking trumps agenda.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Anyone who is blocking trumps agenda.

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So if a GOP Senator in a purple state votes against a single Trump decree they are to be primaried and replaced with a true believer?

I can name them all. The AG is the most important pick for Trump.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

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Primary Collins and you put a Democrat in her seat. She's as good as it gets in regards to Republicans when it comes to Maine. She's votes with the GOP about 91% of the time. I'll take that.

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Nope put her to pasture and make an example.

Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

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Primary Collins and you put a Democrat in her seat. She's as good as it gets in regards to Republicans when it comes to Maine. She's votes with the GOP about 91% of the time. I'll take that.

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Nope put her to pasture and make an example.

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That would be the classic "cutting your nose off to spite your face." Put her to pasture and get replaced by a Dem. A narrow R Senate majority gets even smaller or flips Dem. I don't see how that advances a conservative agenda.

I'm all for pressuring and influencing to move the ball as far down the field as possible, but going backwards is just dumb.

Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

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Primary Collins and you put a Democrat in her seat. She's as good as it gets in regards to Republicans when it comes to Maine. She's votes with the GOP about 91% of the time. I'll take that.

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Nope put her to pasture and make an example.

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That's some brilliant political strategy. Truly first rate thinking.

Replace a GOP Senator who votes with the party an overwhelming percentage of the time with a liberal to "send a message". Who the actual **** is suppose to receive this message? Other somewhat moderate Republican Senators whom if they suddenly vote hard right will lose their seats also to liberals? Yep, let's give the Senate to the Dems again… quite the message you want to send.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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The only senators up in 2026 that might go against Trump on nominations are more worried about a general election than the primary. Like Collins & Tillis

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Then go after Collins. Have Elon and Co put billions into her challenger and have Trump campaigning against her weekly.

Hell if you lose the primary, stump for democratic opponent.

Send the message.

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Primary Collins and you put a Democrat in her seat. She's as good as it gets in regards to Republicans when it comes to Maine. She's votes with the GOP about 91% of the time. I'll take that.

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Nope put her to pasture and make an example.

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That's some brilliant political strategy. Truly first rate thinking.

Replace a GOP Senator who votes with the party an overwhelming percentage of the time with a liberal to "send a message". Who the actual **** is suppose to receive this message? Other somewhat moderate Republican Senators whom if they suddenly vote hard right will lose their seats also to liberals? Yep, let's give the Senate to the Dems again… quite the message you want to send.

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I guess that depends on whether you think we will be playing the same game 10 years from now. I do not. I'm looking for a short term strategic victory to reset the board.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Anyone who is blocking trumps agenda.

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So if a GOP Senator in a purple state votes against a single Trump decree they are to be primaried and replaced with a true believer?

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If they block the Republican agenda, they're on the opposite side. America has spoken. Get the. The **** out.