Cen-Tex said:

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Prosecuting those that hire illegals would speed up the process

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And cutting off free crap (phones, debit cards, housing & food), they'll start robbing or leaving on their own. Shut off the water, they start squealing. And before our CM's come by to flag for apathy, I don't care, do it legally!

aTmAg said:

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Personally, I think this is what the republican congress is afraid of. I think there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. And the number of wrong ways far outnumber the number if right.

If it turns into a gestapo type thing where people call a hotline reporting house X of having illegals so that an ICE team can raid their ass, then that would get UGLY fast. It would be easy for libs to spin that as Nazis hunting jews. And in cases where parents came illegally a decade ago and now have American born children would be ugly as well. The liberal media will be tipped off on these situations, and those families WILL get interviewed have their sob stories all over the news. Every day will be another sob story.

To me, the right way is to first pass a law that denies government at any level from providing benefits to illegals that they don't pay taxes for. So no welfare, no government housing, etc., but yes on public education, drivers licenses, etc. This would encourage the free loaders to self deport. No media sob stories, etc. THEN I would go after known gang/cartel members even if we don't have proof that they committed another crime (yet). What I would NOT do is deport criminals INSTEAD of imprisoning them for their other crimes. If a dude is serving 20 years for murder, then putting him on a bus for Mexico is PREFERABLE to jail. He should serve all 20 years and THEN be deported.

Anyway, I hope Trump doesn't F this up. And I think he has to convince congress that he won't if he wants to get Rick Scott as Senate leader, and any of his agenda through.

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THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY,,, END OF THREAD

aTmAg said:

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Personally, I think this is what the republican congress is afraid of. I think there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. And the number of wrong ways far outnumber the number if right.

If it turns into a gestapo type thing where people call a hotline reporting house X of having illegals so that an ICE team can raid their ass, then that would get UGLY fast. It would be easy for libs to spin that as Nazis hunting jews. And in cases where parents came illegally a decade ago and now have American born children would be ugly as well. The liberal media will be tipped off on these situations, and those families WILL get interviewed have their sob stories all over the news. Every day will be another sob story.

To me, the right way is to first pass a law that denies government at any level from providing benefits to illegals that they don't pay taxes for. So no welfare, no government housing, etc., but yes on public education, drivers licenses, etc. This would encourage the free loaders to self deport. No media sob stories, etc. THEN I would go after known gang/cartel members even if we don't have proof that they committed another crime (yet). What I would NOT do is deport criminals INSTEAD of imprisoning them for their other crimes. If a dude is serving 20 years for murder, then putting him on a bus for Mexico is PREFERABLE to jail. He should serve all 20 years and THEN be deported.

Anyway, I hope Trump doesn't F this up. And I think he has to convince congress that he won't if he wants to get Rick Scott as Senate leader, and any of his agenda through.

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I don't think it will be as "mass" as everyone thinks it will be.

jt16 said:

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No - because the reality is we'll go after criminals first and that will take some time. We won't deport 20mm people overnight. It's just not possible.

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We aren't deporting 20mm in the next four years. Not even close.

I'm surprised at those of you that are worried how any of this will appear. Have you not learned anything from the election? The effectiveness of the media is at an all-time low, and despite the vicious attacks over every subject under the sun, Trump's voters increased in size and great inroads have been made in demographics that have been the targets of the media goons forever.

Nobody is listening to them anymore except maybe the over 60 crowd and they will not be a diminishing voting block as they are replaced with younger generations that are much more likely to turn towards alternate media.

Start publishing statistics on the CRIME COUNTS that are being deported.

And btw, abandoning your child to sex slavery is a ****ing crime too.

There is a legal (right way) to come into the country.
There is an illegal (wrong way) to come into the country.
Make people respect the right way.

The only people that would watch the legacy media or get butthurt about this would be people that didn't vote for trump

CDUB98 said:

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No, because I already know it will be.

Every single crying kid or wife will be featured all day, every day for the entire term.

The question is, will the gov't have the stomach to hold the line, or will the politicians and bureaucrats be more interested in retaining their power? I'm guessing the latter.

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No one will cry for the criminals.

The free loading families will leave when they cutoff the welfare fraud and NGOs.

Crime and money given to illegals and luxury hotels, free airfare around the country, food, etc. this is why citizens are fed up with the DC oligarchy and elected Trump.

What OP is talking about is inevitable. We have to ignore that noise and realize Trump has a mandate. Get the job done.

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aTmAg said:

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Personally, I think this is what the republican congress is afraid of. I think there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. And the number of wrong ways far outnumber the number if right.

If it turns into a gestapo type thing where people call a hotline reporting house X of having illegals so that an ICE team can raid their ass, then that would get UGLY fast. It would be easy for libs to spin that as Nazis hunting jews. And in cases where parents came illegally a decade ago and now have American born children would be ugly as well. The liberal media will be tipped off on these situations, and those families WILL get interviewed have their sob stories all over the news. Every day will be another sob story.

To me, the right way is to first pass a law that denies government at any level from providing benefits to illegals that they don't pay taxes for. So no welfare, no government housing, etc., but yes on public education, drivers licenses, etc. This would encourage the free loaders to self deport. No media sob stories, etc. THEN I would go after known gang/cartel members even if we don't have proof that they committed another crime (yet). What I would NOT do is deport criminals INSTEAD of imprisoning them for their other crimes. If a dude is serving 20 years for murder, then putting him on a bus for Mexico is PREFERABLE to jail. He should serve all 20 years and THEN be deported.

Anyway, I hope Trump doesn't F this up. And I think he has to convince congress that he won't if he wants to get Rick Scott as Senate leader, and any of his agenda through.

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If only saying "end of thread" actually meant anything.

So if it created 50% inflation then do it anyway? If it cost $10,000T dollars? Do it? Afterall, "END OF THREAD", right?

No. The American public still isn't awake to the atrocities going on with illegal immigration. When it comes out and is obvious to everyone, hardly anyone will object.

Amazing that folks think that deporting those residing here illegally is a violation of human rights or that it will wreck our economy.
Or that imposing tariffs against an enemy pledged to destroy us (China) is somehow going to wreck our economy. There are plenty of places with the capability to produce what we require without having our dollars build up the nuclear weapons arsenal of the People's Liberation Army.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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aTmAg said:

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Personally, I think this is what the republican congress is afraid of. I think there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. And the number of wrong ways far outnumber the number if right.

If it turns into a gestapo type thing where people call a hotline reporting house X of having illegals so that an ICE team can raid their ass, then that would get UGLY fast. It would be easy for libs to spin that as Nazis hunting jews. And in cases where parents came illegally a decade ago and now have American born children would be ugly as well. The liberal media will be tipped off on these situations, and those families WILL get interviewed have their sob stories all over the news. Every day will be another sob story.

To me, the right way is to first pass a law that denies government at any level from providing benefits to illegals that they don't pay taxes for. So no welfare, no government housing, etc., but yes on public education, drivers licenses, etc. This would encourage the free loaders to self deport. No media sob stories, etc. THEN I would go after known gang/cartel members even if we don't have proof that they committed another crime (yet). What I would NOT do is deport criminals INSTEAD of imprisoning them for their other crimes. If a dude is serving 20 years for murder, then putting him on a bus for Mexico is PREFERABLE to jail. He should serve all 20 years and THEN be deported.

Anyway, I hope Trump doesn't F this up. And I think he has to convince congress that he won't if he wants to get Rick Scott as Senate leader, and any of his agenda through.

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I don't think it will be as "mass" as everyone thinks it will be.

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Then Trump should say so. If I'm right, then he's about to lose a supportive senate over it.

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ttu_85 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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retiredintx said:

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WGAS…. They're criminals. They're sucking our system like a Kamala to Willie Brown.

We're broke. Once this is seriously implemented, the border traffic will all but cease, self deportation will start when they learn they'll be eligible to apply legally at a later date and the process will take shape

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WGAS? A whole lot of moderates and compassionate conservatives. We don't want to lose the political capital with normal folks. Like it or not, politics is often a game where hardlining leads to failure.

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Defendingg your borders and upholding law is NOT taking a hard line. Its enforcing law which is the duty of gov.

Odd post coming from you.

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I'm all for shutting down the borders and expelling violent criminals (after they complete their prison terms). My issue is if he spends billions of dollars going after people who's only crime is sneaking over the border. We don't have extra money to spend. And he needs a lot of political capital to cut all the other things he wants to cut. If the entire GOP congress thinks they will lose their seats over Trump, then they won't vote for anything he wants.

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The question of cost comes down to business, demographic, cultural, and national defense practicality.

1. Cost of deportation
.. real cost in terms of transportation, apprehension. containment etc.+
.. Loss loss of needed unskilled labor +
.. Loss of skilled labor +
.. Risk of Labor shortages in the event of Peer to Peer war. Highly subjective. +
..Loss of demand for certain products or services.

Of the 20 million illegals what are the populations of both segments ?

2. Benefit of mass Deportation
..Government saving in resettlement cost- food, housing, transportation, etc over time.
..Savings in regards to education, training cost over time
..Reduction in the risk of civil strife over time. Example substantial Islamic pop growth over time.
..Increase the population in percentage and real terms of non participation in the labor force
..Preserving the indigence of our culture
..Reducing the possibility of a large idle population in the age of AI which will cause labor disruptions.

Thoughts and yes I know I missed some. But you get the idea

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aTmAg said:

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Signel said:

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You can tell who's been watching the CNN headlines and MSNBC nonsense, while reading their tiktok and reels of the impending doom that is incoming.....

Except things will still be mostly normal in the months to come.

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If you are talking about me, then you are wrong. It's 99.99% certain that I am more conservative than you.

I want Trump to cut 90% of the government. I want him to abolish 11 of the 15 departments. I want him to eliminate the income tax completely. I want him to eliminate welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, the Fed, and much more. Can you say the same? I assume not.


I fear that going house to house deporting illegals who have been here for 20 years who have kids in schools will be a political disaster and make REAL government cuts impossible. That he will blow his wad on this, and get nothing done. Except hand democrats the presidency in 2028.

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Having that fear is as unreasonable as watching MSNBC. There's just no plausible scenario where it actually plays out like that.

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Yep. No normal Conservative is worried about going after criminals. No conservative thinks Trump is going to deport all the migrant workers doing farm work.

Let them pretend to be 99% more conservative while I dream of small government and no trillion dollar budgets.

He really shouldn't. People will probably be deported but the logistics needed to deport 20 million people is on a scale that just makes it impossible. Throw in the occasional officer that goes beyond their authority and does something stupid and you have a political mess on your hands.

People will be deported but I think too many are thinking too big.

Signel said:

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Sims said:

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aTmAg said:

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Signel said:

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You can tell who's been watching the CNN headlines and MSNBC nonsense, while reading their tiktok and reels of the impending doom that is incoming.....

Except things will still be mostly normal in the months to come.

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If you are talking about me, then you are wrong. It's 99.99% certain that I am more conservative than you.

I want Trump to cut 90% of the government. I want him to abolish 11 of the 15 departments. I want him to eliminate the income tax completely. I want him to eliminate welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, the Fed, and much more. Can you say the same? I assume not.


I fear that going house to house deporting illegals who have been here for 20 years who have kids in schools will be a political disaster and make REAL government cuts impossible. That he will blow his wad on this, and get nothing done. Except hand democrats the presidency in 2028.

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Having that fear is as unreasonable as watching MSNBC. There's just no plausible scenario where it actually plays out like that.

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Yep. No normal Conservative is worried about going after criminals. No conservative thinks Trump is going to deport all the migrant workers doing farm work.

Let them pretend to be 99% more conservative while I dream of small government and no trillion dollar budgets.

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Conservatives also believe in the rule of law. You can't just leave the illegals without some legal status. Temporary work visa if they are needed, deported if they are not. Political fallout shouldn't even enter the thought process.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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He really shouldn't. People will probably be deported but the logistics needed to deport 20 million people is on a scale that just makes it impossible. Throw in the occasional officer that goes beyond their authority and does something stupid and you have a political mess on your hands.

People will be deported but I think too many are thinking too big.

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What Trump should do is take away the freebies, crack down on the fraud, and count self-deportations in his number of deportations. That will yield a nice big number without the issue of going door to door.

ttu_85 said:

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aTmAg said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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retiredintx said:

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WGAS…. They're criminals. They're sucking our system like a Kamala to Willie Brown.

We're broke. Once this is seriously implemented, the border traffic will all but cease, self deportation will start when they learn they'll be eligible to apply legally at a later date and the process will take shape

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WGAS? A whole lot of moderates and compassionate conservatives. We don't want to lose the political capital with normal folks. Like it or not, politics is often a game where hardlining leads to failure.

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Defendingg your borders and upholding law is NOT taking a hard line. Its enforcing law which is the duty of gov.

Odd post coming from you.

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I'm all for shutting down the borders and expelling violent criminals (after they complete their prison terms). My issue is if he spends billions of dollars going after people who's only crime is sneaking over the border. We don't have extra money to spend. And he needs a lot of political capital to cut all the other things he wants to cut. If the entire GOP congress thinks they will lose their seats over Trump, then they won't vote for anything he wants.

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The question of cost comes down to business, demographic, cultural, and national defense practicality.

1. Cost of deportation
.. real cost in terms of transportation, apprehension. containment etc.+
.. Loss loss of needed unskilled labor +
.. Loss of skilled labor +
.. Risk of Labor shortages in the event of Peer to Peer war. Highly subjective. +
..Loss of demand for certain products or services.

Of the 20 million illegals what are the populations of both segments ?

2. Benefit of mass Deportation
..Government saving in resettlement cost- food, housing, transportation, etc over time.
..Savings in regards to education, training cost over time
..Reduction in the risk of civil strife over time. Example substantial Islamic pop growth over time.
..Increase the population in percentage and real terms of non participation in the labor force
..Preserving the indigence of our culture
..Reducing the possibility of a large idle population in the age of AI which will cause labor disruptions.

Thoughts and yes I know I missed some. But you get the idea

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If we just eliminated government freebees for non-citizens, then the cost go way down and yet we would still benefit by those who bust their asses every day. The moochers would leave, and the ass busters would say. Exactly what we want. Then we can spend the savings on going after actual security threats, cartel members, etc..

Go after the bad/ hardened criminals first...If the media wants to make a story of it, list their crimes for everyone to see...

Get rid of the temporary work visas, social security cards, freebies, government handouts, and Asylum status of all the newcomers that do not deserve any of it. Penalize any company that would hire them. Make them self deport.

Set up a government program that would help with getting them back to their home countries.

Also, set up penalties for any Sanctuary city's authorities that refuse to cooperate with ICE and turn over criminals..

If the illegal has been here at least 10 years, can prove it, and has been a model citizen, consider setting up a program to get them on their way to legal status. Also consider making the non-criminal dreamers citizens or permanent legal status if they are not already..

Build the wall already with layers of razor wire and anything else we have technology wise to make it dang near impossible to get through the border, undetected, illegally...Make it like a gauntlet. Make drug and human trafficking a crime that can carry a death sentence.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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He really shouldn't. People will probably be deported but the logistics needed to deport 20 million people is on a scale that just makes it impossible. Throw in the occasional officer that goes beyond their authority and does something stupid and you have a political mess on your hands.

People will be deported but I think too many are thinking too big.

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Yes, he really should. If he claims that he will deport 20 million and then only deports 100,000 then he will come off like a fool. He should make clear what his actual goal is.

Ramdiesel said:

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Go after the bad/ hardened criminals first...If the media wants to make a story of it, list their crimes for everyone to see...

Get rid of the temporary work visas, social security cards, freebies, government handouts, and Asylum status of all the newcomers that do not deserve any of it. Penalize any company that would hire them. Make them self deport.

Set up a government program that would help with getting them back to their home countries.

Also, set up penalties for any sanctuary cities authorities that refuse to cooperate with ICE and turn over criminals..

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I hope some of the blue-state governors are arrested for aiding and abetting a criminal and fugitive and interference with federal investigations. and THROW THE BOOK at them to set an example.

BMCaginLTX said:

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I think a lot of the deportation talk is posturing. It seems to be working, see migrant caravan that already turned around. No point in risking the journey if you think there is a chance trump will deport you anyways.
I don't believe it will ever be possible to deport more than a those that are in jail, or have a criminal record that allows them to be tracked in some way.

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that migrant caveran didn't turn around don't believe everything on X

I think they also need to fix the asylum loopholes that democrats exploited over the last 4 years. Remain in Mexico is a start, but it needs to be made permanent. We all know that 95 plus percent of these "asylum seekers" are not truly in fear for their lives and are coming for economic reasons or freebies. That's not a legitimate reason for asylum. The asylum law that people had to ask for asylum in the first country they come to was completely ignored over the last 4 years. Proof of that is all of the people from overseas and countries South of Mexico coming in from Mexico.

Larry Hagman said:

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that migrant caveran didn't turn around don't believe everything on X

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Yeah. Cockroaches hide when you turn on the lights but they are still there.

Give every citizen an honorary ICE badge and let them handle it. Cheap and fast.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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He really shouldn't. People will probably be deported but the logistics needed to deport 20 million people is on a scale that just makes it impossible. Throw in the occasional officer that goes beyond their authority and does something stupid and you have a political mess on your hands.

People will be deported but I think too many are thinking too big.

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In reality, if we can get the bad people out of this country, the many more good latinos are there for the taking. It has been proven that they are not at all on board with all of the godless degenerate woke sh** that has been pushed openly by the left, and isn't going away any time soon. The dem party has been hijacked and there is no turning back.

Clearly latinos and black males hate it.

They see Dwayne Wade actively encouraging his son to be a cross dresser and they are repulsed.

IndividualFreedom said:

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ICE will not be taking tips calls. Those tip calls are not needed. The enemy of this nation will make these stories up and jam it down our throats to produce emotions. Standard enemy game plan by media.


Secondly, was the invasion a mass invasion? The answer is Yes. So a "Mass Deportation" is fair game. If we deported half the number that came in over the next 10 years, I'd say it was successful.

If you are here illegal, your arse had better stay squeaky clean or you are going home.

Traffic stop, no documentation, ticket, court date, warrant, traffic ticket, go back home.

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Username does not compute!

WHOOP!'91 said:

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Signel said:

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Sims said:

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aTmAg said:

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Signel said:

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You can tell who's been watching the CNN headlines and MSNBC nonsense, while reading their tiktok and reels of the impending doom that is incoming.....

Except things will still be mostly normal in the months to come.

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If you are talking about me, then you are wrong. It's 99.99% certain that I am more conservative than you.

I want Trump to cut 90% of the government. I want him to abolish 11 of the 15 departments. I want him to eliminate the income tax completely. I want him to eliminate welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, the Fed, and much more. Can you say the same? I assume not.


I fear that going house to house deporting illegals who have been here for 20 years who have kids in schools will be a political disaster and make REAL government cuts impossible. That he will blow his wad on this, and get nothing done. Except hand democrats the presidency in 2028.

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Having that fear is as unreasonable as watching MSNBC. There's just no plausible scenario where it actually plays out like that.

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Yep. No normal Conservative is worried about going after criminals. No conservative thinks Trump is going to deport all the migrant workers doing farm work.

Let them pretend to be 99% more conservative while I dream of small government and no trillion dollar budgets.

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Conservatives also believe in the rule of law. You can't just leave the illegals without some legal status. Temporary work visa if they are needed, deported if they are not. Political fallout shouldn't even enter the thought process.

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No, republican (politicians) are not immune to ignoring the laws in place. If they cared, they'd have addressed a lack of Visas for workers 30 or 40 years ago.

Simplify:

Q) Did person violate US Law by coming here illegally?

A) If Answer is YES, then proceed to deport. If Answer is NO, then person may stay.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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jt16 said:

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No - because the reality is we'll go after criminals first and that will take some time. We won't deport 20mm people overnight. It's just not possible.

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We aren't deporting 20mm in the next four years. Not even close.

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Maybe we should deport liberals instead. I bet more of the criminal aliens would gladly take their spot, and at least some of them would vote for sanity.

Seriously though we have to send a message, and deport as many as possible. I think you'll be shocked to see how mass it will be. Trump has a mandate to remove them. It would be wrong to not do what the people voted for.

fullback44 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Personally, I think this is what the republican congress is afraid of. I think there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. And the number of wrong ways far outnumber the number if right.

If it turns into a gestapo type thing where people call a hotline reporting house X of having illegals so that an ICE team can raid their ass, then that would get UGLY fast. It would be easy for libs to spin that as Nazis hunting jews. And in cases where parents came illegally a decade ago and now have American born children would be ugly as well. The liberal media will be tipped off on these situations, and those families WILL get interviewed have their sob stories all over the news. Every day will be another sob story.

To me, the right way is to first pass a law that denies government at any level from providing benefits to illegals that they don't pay taxes for. So no welfare, no government housing, etc., but yes on public education, drivers licenses, etc. This would encourage the free loaders to self deport. No media sob stories, etc. THEN I would go after known gang/cartel members even if we don't have proof that they committed another crime (yet). What I would NOT do is deport criminals INSTEAD of imprisoning them for their other crimes. If a dude is serving 20 years for murder, then putting him on a bus for Mexico is PREFERABLE to jail. He should serve all 20 years and THEN be deported.

Anyway, I hope Trump doesn't F this up. And I think he has to convince congress that he won't if he wants to get Rick Scott as Senate leader, and any of his agenda through.

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There has to be a resonable cutoff line though imo...the ripple effects from deporting EVERYONE WHO EVER CAME IN ILLEGALLY would be massive...it would literally be permanent political suicide for the GOP.

As an example, I have a latino coworker who is a good masculine Christian family man...we go shoot guns together. America is better off with him and his family in it. But I know that his parents came over here illegally around the time he was born. His wife is awesome too...she is nice, smart, beautiful, still has a slight accent, and I would not be surprised if she came here illegally and became naturalized at marriage.

Point being, I don't think most people who say "deport all illegals" realize how disruptive this would be. The 15-20MM that were intentionally let in over the last few years should absolutely be on the table...criminals first obviously.

But deporting anyone who ever came here illegally would be political suicide unlike anything that has ever been seen in this country. Would be extremely disruptive and would p*ss off millions of good, normal, conservative latinos. Not sure I can think of a worse idea. Maybe adopting the Confederate Flag as the national flag of the GOP?

jt16 said:

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No - because the reality is we'll go after criminals first and that will take some time. We won't deport 20mm people overnight. It's just not possible.

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Exactly. Everyone needs to get it out of their head that they are going to try or even be able to just round up every illegal alien.

jt16 said:

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No - because the reality is we'll go after criminals first and that will take some time.

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They are ALL criminals