I account for that by stating not all votes have been counted yet, and that's still a lot smaller gap than 15MM.

nu awlins ag said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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SwigAg11 said:

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In 2020, COVID was used as the reason for many states to ignore their own election laws and blast out mail-in-ballots. For 30 years, the Dems have relied on MIB in their GOTV, so that benefited them greatly since they were already equipped as an organization to do just that.

Now, were most of those ballots legitimate (in the sense that valid voters filled them in)? Probably most of them were. However, if you believe that those MIB were illegitimate (i.e., illegal), since states ignored their own election laws, then many will assume and argue that the election was stolen.

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So those 15M decided not to vote this go round?

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This. You are all so full of *****

15 m filled out their ballot and could have again and just said "nah"

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I'm full crap? Ok dude….carry on.

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No im agreeing with you and saying the other guy is. Hence the "this"

You are right.

they havent all been counted yet

Gotcha!

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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So if all those were cast by real people and it was on the up and up, why did they

-stop people from watching
-stop people from counting who weren't in the club
-count in the middle of the night after saying they were stopping the count
-delivery ballot in the dark of night?

Honestly, I think people like you are cowards and just want to keep it real with your dem friends.


Say it with your chest--they manufactured ballots for people on rolls who didn't cast a vote and they did it deliberately to steal an election and undermine the will of the people.

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Was there some cheating that happened? Sure, there is in every election. Was there more in 2020? Very likely. Did it result in Trump losing? No, lazy voters casting ballots when they normally wouldn't cost him the election.

HTownAg98 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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So if all those were cast by real people and it was on the up and up, why did they

-stop people from watching
-stop people from counting who weren't in the club
-count in the middle of the night after saying they were stopping the count
-delivery ballot in the dark of night?

Honestly, I think people like you are cowards and just want to keep it real with your dem friends.


Say it with your chest--they manufactured ballots for people on rolls who didn't cast a vote and they did it deliberately to steal an election and undermine the will of the people.

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Was there some cheating that happened? Sure, there is in every election. Was there more in 2020? Very likely. Did it result in Trump losing? No, lazy voters casting ballots when they normally wouldn't cost him the election.

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Your explaination was plausible until this election. Why didn't Philly and other swing states have even CLOSE to the same participation in MIB?

OdessaAg said:

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Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????

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I believe it's called printers and fraud.

The Kraken said:

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Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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California is only about 60% counted, so Harris will still get another ~ 5M and Trump another ~3M, add in the other western states and Trump will be around 75-76M

The Kraken said:

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Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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Only 80% of the vote total is in so far... the graph is misleading...

HTownAg98 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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So if all those were cast by real people and it was on the up and up, why did they

-stop people from watching
-stop people from counting who weren't in the club
-count in the middle of the night after saying they were stopping the count
-delivery ballot in the dark of night?

Honestly, I think people like you are cowards and just want to keep it real with your dem friends.


Say it with your chest--they manufactured ballots for people on rolls who didn't cast a vote and they did it deliberately to steal an election and undermine the will of the people.

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Was there some cheating that happened? Sure, there is in every election. Was there more in 2020? Very likely. Did it result in Trump losing? No, lazy voters that had democrat operatives casting ballots for them when they normally wouldn't cost him the election.

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FIFY

Why don't we have national voter ID laws?

Diddy did it

Because states run elections.

Trump won a epic and landslide victory last night and will probably finish with around 72 million votes, there's absolutely no way Sleepy Joe got 81 votes in 2020 without some major fraud and cheating by the Dems.

Texaspainter said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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Easy.... dems cheated last time

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Mostly dems cheating, with a lil bit of George Floyd gaslighting on top.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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So if all those were cast by real people and it was on the up and up, why did they

-stop people from watching
-stop people from counting who weren't in the club
-count in the middle of the night after saying they were stopping the count
-delivery ballot in the dark of night?

Honestly, I think people like you are cowards and just want to keep it real with your dem friends.


Say it with your chest--they manufactured ballots for people on rolls who didn't cast a vote and they did it deliberately to steal an election and undermine the will of the people.

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Was there some cheating that happened? Sure, there is in every election. Was there more in 2020? Very likely. Did it result in Trump losing? No, lazy voters casting ballots when they normally wouldn't cost him the election.

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Your explaination was plausible until this election. Why didn't Philly and other swing states have even CLOSE to the same participation in MIB?

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COVID and law changes.

2008and1 said:

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Apathy returned.

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Agreed. Dems love white candidates, but don't turn out for colored women

The Kraken said:

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Because states run elections.

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Um, federal election laws are a thing:

Quote:

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Federal laws passed over the years help protect Americans' right to vote and make it easier for citizens to exercise that right:

• The Civil Rights Acts created some of the earliest federal protections against discrimination in voting. These protections were first outlined by the Civil Rights Act of 1870 and were later amended by the:
  
  • Civil Rights Act of 1957
  • Civil Rights Act of 1960
  • Civil Rights Act of 1964
• The Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibited voter discrimination based on race, color, or membership in a language minority group. It also required certain places to provide election materials in languages besides English.
  
  • The act also placed limits on certain states with a history of voter discrimination. These states had to get federal approval before passing voter restrictions. A 2013 Supreme Court decision struck down this rule.
• The Voting Accessibility for the Elderly and Handicapped Act of 1984 required polling places to be accessible to people with disabilities.
• The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) of 1986 and the Military and Overseas Voting Empowerment (MOVE) Act of 2009 improved access to voting for military voters and voters living outside of the U.S.
• The National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) of 1993 created new ways to register to vote. It also called for states to keep more accurate voter registration lists.
• The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 authorized the federal funding of elections. It also created the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC). The EAC helps states comply with HAVA to adopt minimum standards on voter education, registration, and ballots.

Learn more about the federal laws that protect your ability to vote with Know Your Voting Rights from the Department of Justice.

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https://www.usa.gov/voting-rights

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2008and1 said:

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Apathy returned.

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Agreed. Dems love white candidates, but are don't turn out for colored women

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Let's be honest here:

Dems love white candidates, but minority Dems don't turn out for colored Dems that aren't their same color.

From GROK:

Based on the current information and projections from various sources:

• Donald Trump has received 71,352,277 votes.
• Kamala Harris has received 66,415,077 votes.

The projections for the remaining uncounted votes are:

• There's an expectation that Kamala Harris might pick up an additional 287,411 votes from the approximately 800,000 uncounted mail-in ballots, with a potential for another 400,000 votes to be added.
• Additionally, it's suggested that Harris could gain around 5 to 6 million votes primarily from the West Coast, while Trump might pick up 3 to 4 million votes.

However, these are just projections based on current trends and estimates:

• Pennsylvania has 83% of votes counted with Trump leading by 3.7 percentage points.
• Georgia has 93% counted with Trump leading by 2.3 percentage points.
• Wisconsin has 76% counted, with Trump leading by 3.7 percentage points.

The remaining uncounted votes are not anticipated to significantly alter the outcome in these states based on current projections. These numbers are based on the latest updates and could change as more votes are counted or as final results come in. Keep in mind that projections can sometimes differ from the final count due to various factors like late reporting or changes in voter turnout models.

So assuming the above is correct, Kamala ends with no more than ~72m votes...Trump lands near 75m. Trump a steady increase over his previous totals of 63m and 74m. Kamala ~8m less than Joe. Math doesn't work. 2020 was stolen...it was complete bull*****

I would like to see a list/count of the suits filed by the GOP just in the last 12 months to stop Democrats from cooking the books...things like getting ballots days after the election, bogus/no signatures, ballot dumping etc.

japantiger said:

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So assuming the above is correct, Kamala ends with no more than ~72m votes...Trump lands near 75m. Trump a steady increase over his previous totals of 63m and 74m. Kamala ~8m less than Joe. Math doesn't work. 2020 was stolen...it was complete bull*****

I would like to see a list/count of the suits filed by the GOP just in the last 12 months to stop Democrats from cooking the books...things like getting ballots days after the election, bogus/no signatures, ballot dumping etc.

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I think anyone who thinks logically knows 2020 was a janky election. None of it added up or made any sense. Again, I know people didn't like Trump, but not that many. If does come out 75-72, that is still really scary considering just how stupid Harris is and how they fell for her crap.

nu awlins ag said:

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japantiger said:

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So assuming the above is correct, Kamala ends with no more than ~72m votes...Trump lands near 75m. Trump a steady increase over his previous totals of 63m and 74m. Kamala ~8m less than Joe. Math doesn't work. 2020 was stolen...it was complete bull*****

I would like to see a list/count of the suits filed by the GOP just in the last 12 months to stop Democrats from cooking the books...things like getting ballots days after the election, bogus/no signatures, ballot dumping etc.

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I think anyone who thinks logically knows 2020 was a janky election. None of it added up or made any sense. Again, I know people didn't like Trump, but not that many. If does come out 75-72, that is still really scary considering just how stupid Harris is and how they fell for her crap.

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CA and NY represent 25% of the electorate and they go +18 and +12 for Harris. To overcome that in the other states in significant. This shows that CA and NY are just plain bat**** crazy and are the source of 99% of our problems in the US

japantiger said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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japantiger said:

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So assuming the above is correct, Kamala ends with no more than ~72m votes...Trump lands near 75m. Trump a steady increase over his previous totals of 63m and 74m. Kamala ~8m less than Joe. Math doesn't work. 2020 was stolen...it was complete bull*****

I would like to see a list/count of the suits filed by the GOP just in the last 12 months to stop Democrats from cooking the books...things like getting ballots days after the election, bogus/no signatures, ballot dumping etc.

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I think anyone who thinks logically knows 2020 was a janky election. None of it added up or made any sense. Again, I know people didn't like Trump, but not that many. If does come out 75-72, that is still really scary considering just how stupid Harris is and how they fell for her crap.

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CA and NY represent 25% of the electorate and they go +18 and +12 for Harris. To overcome that in the other states in significant. This shows that CA and NY are just plain bat**** crazy and are the source of 99% of our problems in the US

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Go figure. We get sandwiched by moldy, stale bread.

The Kraken said:

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Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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Maybe you just wait for them to finish counting before you account for that...

TRADUCTOR said:

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The Kraken said:

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Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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Maybe you just wait for them to finish counting before you account for that...

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TRADUCTOR said:

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The Kraken said:

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Trump received about 3 million less votes than he did 4 years ago. How do you account for that?

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Maybe you just wait for them to finish counting before you account for that...

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Touche! Let's revisit once the final counts are complete.

Being proven right by the passage of time is the best kind of being right.

America got gaslit and propagandized like nothing we've ever seen.

I still love this, and think it is a great explanation:

OdessaAg said:

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Just checked fox to get a vote update and noticed Kamala only has 66M votes. How on earth did Brandon get 81M?????

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Democrats hate women and people of color.

HTownAg98 said:

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You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.

Voter apathy, drastic reductions in mail-in voting, and a seismic shift in the hispanic vote due to illegal immigration is why Harris lost.

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Im not convinced cheating is solely responsible but do believe it happens (not just in 2020). That said, given the right access and/or intellegence, an ill-intended cyber cheat would not require much resource.

HTownAg98 said:
You don't "cheat" a 15 million delta in votes. The manpower that would take is hard to fathom. What did happen in 2020 is the rules were changed to allow people that had never voted before vote in 2020 because it was super easy to do so, and those people didn't show up in 2024. If you want to call that cheating, fine, but the votes were legitimate.


Changing "rules" to allow people to vote is kind of cheating to gain an advantage. Just saying. You choose not to believe that. Agree to disagree here.

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Maybe a lot of those "first time voters" in 2020 really didn't fill out their own ballots.

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I do not believe for a moment that a massive scheme, a la "itzaconspiracy, ballot printer goes brrrrrrr!" made 15 million ballots materialize from thin air.

On the other hand, I'm sure that there were plenty of votes in 2020 where one person filled out a ballot for herself and her spouse, or an adult child "helped" an elderly relative vote. On both sides.

Heck, my ex-wife's mom requested an absentee ballot for ex-wife and voted (for Dubya) in Broward County, FL in 2000. Was that fraud? Yup. A felony? Yup. A contributor to a vote margin of less than 600 votes that altered the course of American history? Yup.

But short of ex-MIL running down to the local FBI office and confessing, it was also entirely untraceable.

2020 was a demonstration that if you make it really, really easy for people to vote, more of them will do so. Most of them are on the up and up, but the price of that is you accept some percentage of fraud.

Personally, I think that the percentage of people who are willing to be dishonest probably doesn't break that much along party lines, but there's no way to prove that in a statistical sense.

My opinion is 2020 the Dems harvested votes by going door to door in areas they knew would not go vote. T they were well funded and had a perfect plan for that environment . It went unchecked in 2020 because the republicans were lazy and caught off guard. Notice the Latino and black vote differences? That wasn't going to fly this election cycle so it could not happen at near the level that it did.

Texaspainter said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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155 million total votes 2020 vs 137 million total votes 2024? Why the 18 million less votes in 2024? How did America lose 18 million votes total votes?

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Easy.... dems cheated last time

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Exactly