Asheville and Western NC, TN, and SC damage from Helene [Staff Warning]

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10:37a, 10/3/24
I want to reiterate that the size and scope of this disaster is simply unimaginable. It overwhelms any preparation or planning.

From a search and rescue/relief standpoint, the logistics are complete nightmare. The infrastructure is simply gone. You have homes and communities scattered throughout a very tough terrain on a good day.

Not ignoring the bad stuff going on and I certainly think more efforts and resources still need to come in. But, the public and private efforts going on here are fairly Herculean.

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11:01a, 10/3/24
Crazy how the book "One Second After" was set in pretty much this same area (Asheville, Black Mountain etc) and now people are living out the "you're on your own" scenario, albeit not as a resul of EMP.
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1:37p, 10/3/24
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1:42p, 10/3/24
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I have a former boss in Henderson County. He says they now have power, water, gas, groceries but signals (TV/Cell) are still down. He's 8 miles from Lake Lure and says the amount of devastation is incredible.

He lived in Houston for the last 30 years.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 1:46p, 10/3/24
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aggiehawg said:
My brother-in-law and his family live right next door to Buncombe County in Mitchell County. No deaths in Mitchell County (so far). We're blessed.
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In reply to Krombopulos Michael • 1:52p, 10/3/24
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Improving slowly....

As bad as this is, it could have been worse. Narrow miss of Atlanta....

Wow that is an insane sat pic. A North Korean style dead zone to the north and south of I-85. A hundred miles to the west and it would have been far worse, as if it wasn't bad enough already. Thoughts and prayers and help for these poor people.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 1:56p, 10/3/24
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aggiehawg said:
Have a very bad feeling the final toll will be in the thousands. I pray I am wrong
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In reply to Artorias • 2:01p, 10/3/24
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Have a very bad feeling the final toll will be in the thousands. I pray I am wrong
My fear is we will never know the final death toll. Just an estimation of the number still missing.
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In reply to TxAG#2011 • 2:02p, 10/3/24
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redcrayon said:
Why can't military helicopters get to these people? What am I missing?


Real talk there are random neighborhoods up in the mountains all over that area for hundreds of square miles. With no power there's probably no way to even know where to send most of them.

Those people are probably stuck until the main roads are fixed.
I'm very familiar with the area so I get that it's challenging but I still see no reason that private citizens are using their helicopters to rescue people when the military effort seems lackluster at best. Maybe I'm just not seeing the dozens of military helicopters that are actually there?

The vast majority of people aren't exactly hidden in the mountains. The local, state and fed govt know where they live.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 2:03p, 10/3/24
aggiehawg said:
This is depressing but not surprising. Read the whole tweet about "preferred vendor lists" impeding citizen aid in past disasters.

Thank you for the link.
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Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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2:19p, 10/3/24
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That's eye-opening.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 2:46p, 10/3/24
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Great visual explanation of the heavy rains that had already been falling even before Helene moved inland. Those storm bands reached the full way up the East Coast states.
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2:47p, 10/3/24


Delta Force disobeying command and going to help. This is the kind of thing you saw in late stage Soviet Union just before collapse. Central Command is losing authority and the lower levels are beginning to disobey orders.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 2:48p, 10/3/24
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That's eye-opening.
Bottom pic shows it wasn't just a hurricane. It merged with a front that was moving through at the same time. Pre-saturated the ground, then created even more rain when the storm center came inland.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 2:54p, 10/3/24
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Have a very bad feeling the final toll will be in the thousands. I pray I am wrong
My fear is we will never know the final death toll. Just an estimation of the number still missing.
Did we ever get the true death toll in Lahaina?
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In reply to JayHowdy! • 2:56p, 10/3/24
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Not that I ever saw.

On another topic.
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The country's most-visited national park site, the Blue Ridge Parkway, will remain closed indefinitely, the National Park Service (NPS) said Wednesday.

The closure affects the entire length of the Blue Ridge Parkway, though some parts were hit harder than others by storm damage. It comes right as the region and scenic road typically see a boom in tourism, as weather cools and the leaves change colors.
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In reply to StandUpforAmerica • 3:17p, 10/3/24
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They aren't the only ones crying

My son would say the same thing when he was scared back in the day
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In reply to StandUpforAmerica • 3:22p, 10/3/24
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Not feeling like I can watch this right now but I'm truly heartbroken for the human suffering. It's just so heavy.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:28p, 10/3/24
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aggiehawg said:
Not that I ever saw.

On another topic.
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The country's most-visited national park site, the Blue Ridge Parkway, will remain closed indefinitely, the National Park Service (NPS) said Wednesday.

The closure affects the entire length of the Blue Ridge Parkway, though some parts were hit harder than others by storm damage. It comes right as the region and scenic road typically see a boom in tourism, as weather cools and the leaves change colors.
LINK

The Parkway is probably my favorite place on Earth, and I head up there every fall. I was thinking the Virginia portion might be open, but that is not what is important right now. Those resources are much better used to help with the recovery in North Carolina, outside the Parkway.

Tourism is the lifeblood up there, not just the fall but year-round. The recovery will happen, but it will take years.
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3:36p, 10/3/24
Re: Recovery from and federal aid for the devastation of this horrible event. From the Washington Post reader section:

“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
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In reply to UTExan • 3:43p, 10/3/24
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UTExan said:
Re: Recovery from and federal aid for the devastation of this horrible event. From the Washington Post reader section:


Traitors! Nothing more than traitors!
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In reply to UTExan • 3:49p, 10/3/24
GROSS.
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In reply to TRD-Ferguson • 3:52p, 10/3/24
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TRD-Ferguson said:
Got an update from my brother and law this morning. He lives in Asheville and not out in the surrounding rural areas.

They have regular access to free bottled water and ice now. One gas station is open several miles from them so folks are able to get gas for generators, etc. Cell service is up but no WiFi.

They are being told power may be restored by the middle of next week. Water may be 2 weeks to a month away. They do have natural gas. Folks are using gas fireplaces to cook.

One grocery store is open in their area and it is being supplied on a near constant basis. Basic food needs are no longer a problem.

He's optimistic. Neighbors and community really working together to get through this. Said this is a minor inconvenience for he and his wife compared to the areas outside of Asheville. Or, at least his area of Asheville.
not to minimize the suffering of any of these folks. BUT the one thing they have going for them as opposed to say a gulf coast town that has to deal with lack of power is they have relatively nice temps to deal with. High 70's during the day and high 50's at night is about the best you could hope for if you have to live without A/C.

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In reply to MouthBQ98 • 4:17p, 10/3/24
MouthBQ98 said:
Can't they get some big loaders and dozers in there to at least clear paths in there for 4x4 or offroad capable heavy trucks to get to more isolated areas? I know bridges and crossings will be an issue as some of those valley/canyon roads cross rivers and creeks multiple times and now some bridges are gone, but as far as roadways and fords, they could make a third world type passable path for now and rebuild it properly later.




They have done this in many areas. No one is going to wait for people when **** needs to get done.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:19p, 10/3/24
aggiehawg said:


I think the lives lost will be in the thousands
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In reply to The Banned • 4:22p, 10/3/24
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Yeah, I think you're right
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:24p, 10/3/24
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The entire region's geography is now different. Truly amazing destruction.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 4:32p, 10/3/24
Nanomachines son said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Can't they get some big loaders and dozers in there to at least clear paths in there for 4x4 or offroad capable heavy trucks to get to more isolated areas? I know bridges and crossings will be an issue as some of those valley/canyon roads cross rivers and creeks multiple times and now some bridges are gone, but as far as roadways and fords, they could make a third world type passable path for now and rebuild it properly later.




They have done this in many areas. No one is going to wait for people when **** needs to get done.
Capable rednecks aren't going to wait for limp wristed government pencil pushers who hate them to try to solve their problems.
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In reply to William Foster • 7:55p, 10/3/24
As Lynyrd Skynyrd said… "Tell all those pencil pushers 'Better get outta my way'… Gimmie back my bullets"
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8:30p, 10/3/24

Texas A&M Veterinary Emergency Team Deployed To Assist In North Carolina Hurricane Response

https://today.tamu.edu/2024/10/03/texas-am-veterinary-emergency-team-deployed-to-north-carolina/
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In reply to Poot • 8:33p, 10/3/24
Poot said:
As Lynyrd Skynyrd said… "Tell all those pencil pushers 'Better get otta my way'… Gimmie back my bullets"
As the resident Skynyrd aficionado, well played.
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In reply to William Foster • 8:46p, 10/3/24
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William Foster said:
Nanomachines son said:
MouthBQ98 said:
Can't they get some big loaders and dozers in there to at least clear paths in there for 4x4 or offroad capable heavy trucks to get to more isolated areas? I know bridges and crossings will be an issue as some of those valley/canyon roads cross rivers and creeks multiple times and now some bridges are gone, but as far as roadways and fords, they could make a third world type passable path for now and rebuild it properly later.




They have done this in many areas. No one is going to wait for people when **** needs to get done.
Capable rednecks aren't going to wait for limp wristed government pencil pushers who hate them to try to solve their problems.
Amen. It's the spirit and know-how that explored, tamed, and built this country. In times of trouble, it's often the capable individuals and groups in private sector that fix the immediate problems.

Government is slow and inefficient and it gets amplified in moments of crisis. A few Americans with talent, motivation, and tools can move mountains. Despite the left's best efforts to drive rugged individualism out of our culture, it's still there in flyover country.
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In reply to richardag • 9:37p, 10/3/24
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I've seen similar in my own experiences doing disaster relief. It's disgusting and infuriating and lord have mercy on anyone that has functioning ears that asks me about the Red Cross or FEMA while intoxicated. I WILL find the closest soap box I promise.

So not only do I find this believable, I find it probable. If even a quarter of the hearsay of the stories coming out of the worst counties is true, I hope with everything I have, a massive and very public congressional investigation is launched immediately.
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