Asheville and Western NC, TN, and SC damage from Helene [Staff Warning]

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From a Facebook post..

Day 6, we are continuing to work finding victims of Hurricane Helene. So many of you have offered to help and we appreciate you. We have many needed supplies thanks to you all. Please keep our handlers in your thoughts. NCTA K9 and the Nash County Sheriff's Office have a total of 5 dogs on the ground now, so help has arrived!!! Special thank you to NJTF-1 for taking great care of us.



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Great story of hope and goodness in this horrible tragedy:

Dad treks miles through Hurricane Helene aftermath to walk daughter down aisle on her wedding day

"David Jones walked nearly 30 miles through Hurricane Helene flood debris so he could walk his daughter down the aisle on her wedding day. "
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Report with pictures from a resident of Greene County, Tennessee (one of the hardest hit areas):

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/KrXz8C5jAnNYczoP/?mibextid=WC7FNe

And for those of you not on Facebook, here's the text directly copied from that Facebook post:

Written by John Kitsteiner:

Hurricane Helene: A note to friends outside of the South.

We live in Greene County, East Tennessee. Our county's southern border is the Tennessee-North Carolina state line that runs along the heights of the Appalachian Mountains. We are within the hardest hit region of the U.S.

The questions I have been hearing a lot is why was this so bad, and why weren't people prepared. I'll try to answer those questions in the following post.

Hurricane Helene was the strongest hurricane (in recorded history) to hit the Florida panhandle region. It is the deadliest hurricane to hit the United States since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

The death toll is over 160 so far. We are still finding bodies, and there are still many, many people missing as I write this today six days after the hurricane hit land.

I work in the emergency department at Greeneville Community Hospital. The hospital itself has been evacuated because we have no water in the majority of the county. We are still running our emergency department as a critical access site for our community. Fortunately, I have a well and didn't lose electricity for long. I was able to haul water in a 300 gallon tote in the back of my truck to the hospital for the first few days so we could flush toilets and wash hands. It took a few days, but we now have porta-potties and water tanks on trucks to keep the emergency department running.

Under an hour from our hospital to the east, Unicoi County Hospital was flooded requiring patients and providers to be rescued from the roof via helicopter.

Under an hour from our hospital to the south, over the mountains, Asheville, NC has been hit particularly hard.

But why was this region hit so hard?

First, we had a lot of rain before Hurricane Helene even showed up. Depending on the area, we had 7-11 inches of rain in the week before the first storm clouds of the hurricane arrived. This rain saturated the ground and filled ponds and streams.

Then the hurricane arrived. She barreled her way up through the panhandle of Florida, quickly shot through Georgia, and then slowed down and stalled over North Carolina and East Tennessee. And that's right where we live.

The reason she stalled involves atmospheric pressure conditions that I don't fully understand, but the result was that this hurricane dropped 20 inches to over 30 inches of rain in some areas… that's an estimated 40 trillion gallons of rain.

How much is 40 trillion gallons of water?

40 trillion gallons of water is enough to fill the Dallas Cowboy's stadium 51,000 times.

40 trillion gallons of water is enough to cover the entire state of North Carolina with 3.5 FEET of water.

40 trillion gallons of water is enough to fill 60 MILLION Olympic-sized swimming pools.

40 trillion gallons of water is 619 DAYS of water flowing over Niagara Falls.

So this is an unprecedented amount of rain already falling on an area that had just received ground-saturated rain.

But it wasn't just the amount of rain, it was the geography of where that rain fell.

The southeastern slopes (of western North Carolina) and the northwestern slopes (of East Tennessee) acted as funnels or rain catchments that directed all this water downhill and concentrated it into streams and rivers running into the valleys. It overflowed these streams and rivers causing massive flooding.

How much flooding?

The French Broad River usually crests at 1.5 feet… but it reached 24.6 feet during the storm.

The Nolichuckey River rose to almost 22 feet. The Nolichuckey River Dam in Greene County, during the peak of the flooding, took on 1.2 MILLION gallons of water per SECOND. Compare that to Niagara Falls which peaks at 700,000 gallons per second. Fortunately, this dam held… but barely, with damage.

Consequences.

The flooding, and all the things the flooding carried with it (large trees, vehicles, buildings, etc.) caused widespread damage. It destroyed homes and businesses. It destroyed roads and bridges. It knocked out power.

This isolated many places for days and days from normal rescue efforts and evacuation plans.

Here in Greene County, the flooding destroyed the intake pump for the county's primary water supply. We hope they will be able to bring in a temporary pump to bypass the damaged system, but that still may take a couple weeks. In the meantime, most people in the county have no clean water for drinking, washing hands, or bathing, and no water for sanitation.

I have taken care of people in the emergency department who had their homes literally washed away. Everything they own, other than the clothes on their back, has been lost. Many friends have had their homes almost destroyed by flooding and their houses are filled with mud and debris.

And this is just in my immediate area. Other places around us have unfortunately been hit harder.

Why weren't people prepared?

No one in the mountains of North Carolina or East Tennessee prepares for a hurricane.

It's kind of like asking why someone in Iowa doesn't prepare for a tidal wave or why someone in Florida doesn't prepare for a blizzard. It's not what happens, like ever.

This was a combination of already rain-saturated ground before the hurricane hit, the hurricane/storm stalling over this region dumping unprecedented amounts of rainfall in a small area, and the geography of mountains channeling and concentrating all this water into the valleys below that created a perfect storm, so to speak, of conditions that caused this disaster.

It couldn't have been prevented or prepared for.

Please feel free to share this. Hopefully it answers some questions and provides a better understanding of what has happened and why it is so devastating.
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Nanomachines son said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/Ck3b5DxCFRPTb6pi/?mibextid=UalRPS

Not sure how true this but apparently the real need there is helicopters because there is no reliable way to reach many people in the mountains because communications and power are all down and the roads are gone.

I have seen many videos of people leaving on foot climbing over obliterated and washed roads. It's just incredible the sheer scale of the damage.

Warning: language in the video


That just about did me in.

I've been around the world a little bit, but have NEVER seen more individuals come out to help, mostly at their own personal risk and financial situation, than Americans in a time of crisis.

Every single time, Americans step up to help, no matter who they are, or where they are.
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HumpitPuryear said:

zooguy96 said:

I'd estimate there are going to be a lot more bodies found as they get into those areas.

Was listening to amateur radio in the area. someone was asking about a particular road that was supposedly taken out by mud slide. Net operator confirmed the road was gone along with the whole neighborhood adjacent to it. They are going to be finding bodies for a while.

The big llano river flooding in 2018 washed away some campers on the south llano at Junction. One of the bodies was found in our cove on lake lbj a week later after the second flood and 85 miles from where she was camping. Water is a powerful force of nature
Another was a friend of mine from high school. RIP Darin.
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This is a plastics plant in Erwin, TN, right by the hospital where patients and staff had to be evacuated from the roof by chopper.

They were apparently running the plant right up until water started covering the parking lot. Maybe they didn't expect floods this extreme, but I'm pretty sure there were advanced forecasts for flooding in this area.

Eleven people swept away, five rescued, two confirmed dead.

Quote:

Tennessee state authorities said Wednesday they are investigating the company that owns a plastics factory where 11 workers were swept away by cataclysmic flooding unleashed by Hurricane Helene.

As the nearby Nolichucky River swelled from rainfall, employees in the Impact Plastics factory in Erwin, a small community in rural Tennessee, kept working. Several asserted that they weren't allowed to leave in time to avoid the storm's impact. It wasn't until water flooded into the parking lot and the power went out that the plant shut down and sent workers home.

Several never made it.

The raging waters swept 11 people away, and only five were rescued. Two of them are confirmed dead and are part of a toll across six states that has surpassed 160. Four others in the factory are still missing since they were washed away Friday in Erwin, where dozens of people were also rescued off the roof of a hospital.


https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-helene-tennessee-f7c4a460de588df7a4d5bc9efa756ecb
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Independence H-D said:

Yeah. That's SOP. Chief could and should have done a better job communicating with the pilot as to what the issues were and not being a jerk.

One of my jobs during one particular deployment was to resolve a similar situation between a volunteer group (funded by family of some missing) and our team.

When the Cajun Navy was first getting rolling.....

Many in the professional USAR ranks were very against it. Simply because of the nightmares in the command and control structure. There were no shared communications. No shared command structure.
Or the chief make an assessment of the capabilities of this helicopter pilot and help coordinate to facilitate this one last extraction. Then offer thanks but please don't come back until proper communication can be set up.
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MooreTrucker said:

Wasn't it addressed up above that volunteer air flights can be dangerous and interfere with the actual SAR professionals?
There were no flight restrictions at the time. If it were that important why were there no flight restrictions?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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From yesterday evening. Heartbreaking.

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jteAg said:

I was born and raised in Asheville. Still have brothers who live there. Have been in contact with them and my best friend who lives there. He said there is tremendous damage and death. Being raised there, I have seen floods there before, but NOTHING compares to this. My friend says there is a lot of help trying to get supplies and help in. Said 19 states and Canada helping out. Thankful for that and them.
Keep the faith, amigo!

When all else fails, Americans will always come through. Maybe not tomorrow, but right now, Americans bring it to any disaster long before any government operation arrives. We spend our own money, time, and resources.
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This was apparently Main Street in Chimney Rock, NC.

Now I understand how civilizations in the past could just disappear completely
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Sadly, I think they will be finding human bones for years after this. Will never be able to account for all of those missing.
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The Broad River runs along Main Street. It looks like it just took over the town.
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aggiehawg said:

Sadly, I think they will be finding human bones for years after this. Will never be able to account for all of those missing.


There is no way thousands didn't die from this.
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I cannot imagine. This is worse than anything beyond my wildest imagination.

The bodies in trees and naked kids without parents is a story I keep hearing over and over from tons of people in the area. First and second hand reports of these things. There is no way the death reports are even close to correct.


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I was in the military response to the flooding in Del Rio back in 1998. One of my jobs was to pull bodies out of trees and piles of debris.

It's worse than anyone could ever describe, and my heart breaks for those who are dealing with that.
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Why can't military helicopters get to these people? What am I missing?
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Edit to add I know people are more important but someone earlier was asking about this and NC tourism.
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That entrance is pretty far from the mansion IIRC.
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Company I work for is located in Johnson City, TN and a lot of our plant workers are heavily affected by this. Was happy to see that we donated $150k towards relief efforts through United Way. Can't imagine what these people are going through and will go through for years to come.
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[Talk about the politics of this event on another thread. This is unfolding news of the aftermath on the ground in the impacted areas. -Staff]
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I gave money to the Red Cross during Katrina because a fat white woman was crying about baby formula on nbc. My mistake back then (Red Cross) but where's MSM now?
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redcrayon said:

Why can't military helicopters get to these people? What am I missing?


Real talk there are random neighborhoods up in the mountains all over that area for hundreds of square miles. With no power there's probably no way to even know where to send most of them.

Those people are probably stuck until the main roads are fixed.
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[Talk about the politics of this event on another thread. This is unfolding news of the aftermath on the ground in the impacted areas. -Staff]
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From Facebook

Helene report, 10/3. Various views from recent postings on FB. Left to right, top to bottom:

Maryland Task Force 1 members in action and with an excavator lift assist. Photo by MTF1.

Pine Level Fire Department (Johnston County) in Raeford, assisting with an airlift of supplies organized by US Veterans Corps the FOB. Photo by USVC/FOB.

Allen Volunteer Fire Department (Cabarrus County) completing missions and responding to calls for service, while stationed at Swannanoa Fire Department. Photo by AVFD.

Oklahoma Task Force 1 working in the Boonford (Mitchell County) area. They've been dry camping while hiking for miles. Photo by Tulsa Fire Department.

East coast meets west coast. California Task Force 1 has been working with a Greensboro ATV team in western NC. Greensboro Police Department photo.

North Carolina Helicopter Aquatic Rescue Team (NCHART) helo and rescue technicians performing rescues of people and animals in western NC. Rocky Mount Fire Department photo, with RMFD Captain Anthony Ladd deployed with the team.
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Here's a post from a guy flying around rescuing folks. They need helicopters…

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Improving slowly....








As bad as this is, it could have been worse. Narrow miss of Atlanta....

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Can't they get some big loaders and dozers in there to at least clear paths in there for 4x4 or offroad capable heavy trucks to get to more isolated areas? I know bridges and crossings will be an issue as some of those valley/canyon roads cross rivers and creeks multiple times and now some bridges are gone, but as far as roadways and fords, they could make a third world type passable path for now and rebuild it properly later.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Can't they get some big loaders and dozers in there to at least clear paths in there for 4x4 or offroad capable heavy trucks to get to more isolated areas? I know bridges and crossings will be an issue as some of those valley/canyon roads cross rivers and creeks multiple times and now some bridges are gone, but as far as roadways and fords, they could make a third world type passable path for now and rebuild it properly later.


While yes this can and should be done, you'd have to get an emergency waiver to avoid all the EPA rules on road construction such as Environmental Impact Studies etc...
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Got an update from my brother and law this morning. He lives in Asheville and not out in the surrounding rural areas.

They have regular access to free bottled water and ice now. One gas station is open several miles from them so folks are able to get gas for generators, etc. Cell service is up but no WiFi.

They are being told power may be restored by the middle of next week. Water may be 2 weeks to a month away. They do have natural gas. Folks are using gas fireplaces to cook.

One grocery store is open in their area and it is being supplied on a near constant basis. Basic food needs are no longer a problem.

He's optimistic. Neighbors and community really working together to get through this. Said this is a minor inconvenience for he and his wife compared to the areas outside of Asheville. Or, at least his area of Asheville.
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From Facebook. Videos available at the link.

Footage of NY-TF1's evacuation and search operations on their @fema #HurricaneHelene mission in #NorthCarolina.

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NY-TF1 has been working tirelessly on their @fema mission to aide North Carolinians impacted by #HurricaneHelene.

Our @fdny and @nypd members have been hiking through extra challenging conditions to reach those in need.

@nytaskforce1 #evacuated dozens of residents to landing sites for helicopter evacuation, #searched hundreds of damaged structures & vehicles with our engineer & K9s, #cleared numerous blocked roads, and provided #medical treatment to residents.

Please keep all impacted by this devastating storm in your thoughts. @nycemergencymanagement

https://www.facebook.com/share/sHBf7UHGY4uAGgAA/?mibextid=xfxF2i
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This is depressing but not surprising. Read the whole tweet about "preferred vendor lists" impeding citizen aid in past disasters.

 
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