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I'd estimate there are going to be a lot more bodies found as they get into those areas.

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Was listening to amateur radio in the area. someone was asking about a particular road that was supposedly taken out by mud slide. Net operator confirmed the road was gone along with the whole neighborhood adjacent to it. They are going to be finding bodies for a while.

The big llano river flooding in 2018 washed away some campers on the south llano at Junction. One of the bodies was found in our cove on lake lbj a week later after the second flood and 85 miles from where she was camping. Water is a powerful force of nature

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I don't know about others, but I don't think there's much of Chimney Rock to rebuild on.

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Lake Lure and Chimney Rock are big tourist draws. They will be rebuilt.

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I hope so. They are beautiful charming little villages.

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Tourism is THE economy in that part of the state.

About ten years ago there were bad wildfires in the Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge areas, fires typically more associated with the open West than east of the Mississippi. Even before the infrastructure was fully repaired, they were encouraging people just to come out for a day. Just make a quick visit to Dollywood. They were desperate and eager for the tourism business to return.

I'm sure we'll see the same here, but probably with a longer recovery time.

I make a pilgrimage out to the NC mountains every year to see the fall colors. My favorite spot is the the Parkway by Grandfather Mountain. This year I'm looking at heading north, maybe into WV or Pennsylvania instead. I'm eager to return to the NC mountains next year.

I may have missed it, but how did the Biltmore Estate and that area fare in all of this? That was another place we visited last month.

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I may have missed it, but how did the Biltmore Estate and that area fare in all of this? That was another place we visited last month.

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I don't know about the estate itself but Biltmore Village was half underwater.

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I may have missed it, but how did the Biltmore Estate and that area fare in all of this? That was another place we visited last month.

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I read that they were without power. Other than that, no clue. We've been there a million times. Really beautiful area.

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Biltmore Village did not escape unscathed. Citizen Times reported that the village was submerged under almost 25 feet of water. The catastrophic flooding happened after the French Broad River overflowed.

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Biltmore is built more higher than the village on the side of a mountain. No flooding, but I'm sure they had some leaks. They're closed until 10/15 according to their IG.

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Biltmore is built more higher than the village on the side of a mountain. No flooding, but I'm sure they had some leaks. They're closed until 10/15 according to their IG.

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Biltmore Estate. Biltmore Village are the shops and restaurants by the entrance. It was hit pretty hard, but again the tourist dollars will rebuilt it.

I don't know what it costs to tour the estate these days, probably close to $100.

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atmtws said:

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Biltmore is built more higher than the village on the side of a mountain. No flooding, but I'm sure they had some leaks. They're closed until 10/15 according to their IG.

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Biltmore Estate. Biltmore Village are the shops and restaurants by the entrance. It was hit pretty hard, but again the tourist dollars will rebuilt it.

I don't know what it costs to tour the estate these days, probably close to $100.

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$85

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Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain

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This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.

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That depends solely on your point of view and current stuation.

In the grand scheme of things - devastating flooding is devastating flooding.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain

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This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.

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That depends solely on your point of view and current stuation.

In the grand scheme of things - devastating flooding is devastating flooding.

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Seems like with a mountain flood you'd have a much shorter path to high ground. May not matter in a sudden flash flood though.

Is the Biltmore Estate flooded?

Just last week we booked a trip to Ashville for early November. Staying at the Omni a couple nights and at the Biltmore the other 2. No idea what to expect or if it will even happen now... I guess we will find out more in a couple weeks or so.

My heart goes out to all those people... so sad!

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On September 30, the Biltmore Estate posted an update on its website noting that it was temporarily closed.

"We are assessing damage from the storm and will update this page as we work to safely reopen," the webpage reads. They also noted that cellular service and Internet access is also impacted, so it may be tough to reach the estate at this time.

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TROPICAL STORM HELENE UPDATE AS OF SEPTEMBER 30: Due to the impact of Tropical Storm Helene, Biltmore will remain closed through Thursday, October 3.

Continued below: pic.twitter.com/OHNKFdHLxJ

— Biltmore Estate (@BiltmoreEstate) September 30, 2024

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Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain

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This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.

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That depends solely on your point of view and current stuation.

In the grand scheme of things - devastating flooding is devastating flooding.

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Eh, young can save framing from something like Harvey, just let it dry out. Mountain flash flooding is more like a tsunami and sweeps away buildings, roads, etc. Many areas have been scoured down to dirt, there isn't even a concrete slab left. And this isn't considering the mudslides.

Harvey level rain in the mountains is a horrific combination.

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HOW TO MEASURE A STORM'S FURY ONE BREAKFAST AT A TIME

When a hurricane makes landfall, the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency relies on a couple of metrics to assess its destructive power.

First, there is the well-known Saffir-Simpson Wind Scale. Then there is what he calls the "Waffle House Index."

Green means the restaurant is serving a full menu, a signal that damage in an area is limited and the lights are on.

Yellow means a limited menu, indicating power from a generator, at best, and low food supplies.

Red means the restaurant is closed, a sign of severe damage in the area or unsafe conditions.


"If you get there and the Waffle House is closed?" FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate has said. "That's really bad. That's where you go to work."


Waffle House Inc. has 1,600 restaurants stretching from the mid-Atlantic to Florida and across the Gulf Coast, leaving it particularly vulnerable to hurricanes. Other businesses, of course, strive to reopen as quickly as possible after disasters. But the Waffle House, which spends almost nothing on advertising, has built a marketing strategy around the goodwill gained from being open when customers are most desperate.

During Hurricane Irene, Waffle House lost power to 22 restaurants in North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland and Delaware. By Wednesday evening, all but one in hard-hit coastal Virginia were back in business.......


[url=https://www.wafflehouse.com/how-to-measure-a-storms-fury-one-breakfast-at-a-time/][/url]https://www.wafflehouse.com/how-to-measure-a-storms-fury-one-breakfast-at-a-time/

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The term was coined by FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate in May 2011 following the 2011 Joplin tornado, during which the two Waffle House restaurants in Joplin remained open.

The measure is based on Waffle House's reputation for staying open during extreme weather and for reopening quickly, albeit sometimes with a limited menu, after very severe weather events such as tornadoes or hurricanes. The chain's disaster preparedness measures include assembling and training "Waffle House jump teams" to facilitate fast reopening after disasters. Waffle House, along with other chains (such as Home Depot, Walmart, and Lowe's) which do a significant proportion of their business in the southern US where there is a frequent risk of hurricanes, have good risk management and disaster preparedness. Because of this, and the fact that a cut-down menu is prepared for times when there is no power or limited supplies, the Waffle House Index rarely reaches the red level.

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schmellba99 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Sq 17 said:

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Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain

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This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.

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That depends solely on your point of view and current stuation.

In the grand scheme of things - devastating flooding is devastating flooding.

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Seems like with a mountain flood you'd have a much shorter path to high ground. May not matter in a sudden flash flood though.

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Conceptually, yeah you'd think it would be rather easy to get to high ground. The problem in that area is that you would have to scale a ridge to get to high ground. There were towns in which the citizenry was trapped without an escape route once the water got to a certain level.

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Is the Biltmore Estate flooded?

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No, not the big fancy mansion and elaborate grounds. Outside the front entrance is a touristy area of shops and restaurants that was completely swamped. It will undoubtedly be rebuilt.

All of this can be found here

https://www.facebook.com/share/GZ1dyVhYnjkJPQYN/?mibextid=qi2Omg

Wow! That is going to take a long long time to fix.

Thx for all your team's work. Prayers for your safety, hopefully water levels dropping at this point/soon to manageable discharge rates etc.

I was born and raised in Asheville. Still have brothers who live there. Have been in contact with them and my best friend who lives there. He said there is tremendous damage and death. Being raised there, I have seen floods there before, but NOTHING compares to this. My friend says there is a lot of help trying to get supplies and help in. Said 19 states and Canada helping out. Thankful for that and them.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/Ck3b5DxCFRPTb6pi/?mibextid=UalRPS

Not sure how true this but apparently the real need there is helicopters because there is no reliable way to reach many people in the mountains because communications and power are all down and the roads are gone.

I have seen many videos of people leaving on foot climbing over obliterated and washed roads. It's just incredible the sheer scale of the damage.

Warning: language in the video

Update: FEMA Urban Search & Rescue has activated 19 Human Remains Detection (HRD) Canines in addition to the teams already activated and on the ground working in support of Hurricane Helene.
The Canines came from the following task forces:
Missouri Task Force 1 (MO-TF1)
New York Task Force 1 (NY-TF1)
Massachusetts Task Force 1 (MA-TF1)
Virginia Task Force 1 (VA-TF1)
Florida Task Force 2 (FL-TF2)
Pennsylvania Task Force 1 (PA-TF1)
New Jersey Task Force 1 (NJ-TF1)
Nebraska Task Force 1 (NE-TF1)
Colorado Task Force 1 (CO-TF1)

The 19 Canines were broken down into 4 teams and assigned a Search Team Manager (STM). 4 STMs were also activated from the following task forces; New York Task Force 1 (NY-TF1), Florida Task Force 2 (FL-TF2), and Virginia Task Force 2 (VA-TF2). The STMs help manage the canine's assigned missions throughout the day.

They all arrived safely last night, bedded down for good night's rest and were ready for their assigned missions first thing this morning. Grateful they were all so willing to come out and help us assist the teams working the damaged areas of North Carolina. Be safe! Stay hydrated! And look out for one another!