Asheville and Western NC, TN, and SC damage from Helene [Staff Warning]

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In reply to Nanomachines son • 3:27p, 9/29/24
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Where is that forecasted track again? Up along the western Carolinas and eastern TN. What do hurricanes bring? Lots of rain. This was particularly obvious as it could pull moisture from the Gulf and Atlantic and the Great Lakes as you move further north. Accuweather predicted it.







https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/helene-to-become-major-hurricane-in-gulf-of-mexico-strike-us/1694728
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The AccuWeather Local StormMax rainfall for Helene is 36 inches, but is likely to occur hundreds of miles inland of the Gulf coast and centered on the southern Appalachians, where catastrophic flooding can occur in some communities.


ETA: That Harvey rain prediction of 40"+wasn't the converged ensemble it was an outlier model.
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Nanomachines son
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3:30p, 9/29/24
There was a cutoff low that hit the area right before Helene so those forecasts were only for Helene not the combo of both. That's the problem it was a double whammy. It was more than just Helene. They could have handle either one by themselves but not both that close together.

Also, there is a massive difference between flooding in Houston and flooding in the mountains. The former is slow moving and a lot of standing water, the latter is flash flooding and rapidly moving water that can wash out roads and gouge out creeks and more. The difference is staggering.
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3:39p, 9/29/24
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I had no idea the rain would be so intense. With FL taking the brunt of the storm I expected inland to be a wind event and downed trees and power lines. Not a major flooding event made worse by topology which increased the velocity of the water.

With it being g a Cat 1 inland I would have expected Beryl damage, not Harvey damage.

This is so incredibly sad.
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3:39p, 9/29/24
Also it seems like you're trying to blame the people there for not being prepared for an entirely unprecedented scenario that has never happened in recorded history. How do you prepare for flood waters moving fast enough to wipe out a house in seconds?
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3:45p, 9/29/24


Abbott needs to do the same.
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In reply to AlaskanAg99 • 3:51p, 9/29/24
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AlaskanAg99 said:
I had no idea the rain would be so intense. With FL taking the brunt of the storm I expected inland to be a wind event and downed trees and power lines. Not a major flooding event made worse by topology which increased the velocity of the water.

With it being g a Cat 1 inland I would have expected Beryl damage, not Harvey damage.

This is so incredibly sad.

The problem was that once it got over the Carolinas/Tennessee it got stuck and pretty much spun on itself for a full day or so.

Also I saw one graphic, I think it was weather channel (yeah yeah) just calling for 3-5 inches of widespread rain. Total fail on that prediction.
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3:55p, 9/29/24
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We need Kanye to remind us that Biden and Harris dont care about black people
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4:10p, 9/29/24
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Government needs to seriously stop tinkering with the weather.
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4:12p, 9/29/24
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Another thing is that along the Gulf Coast most have flood insurance. I cannot imagine many living in the Appalachian Mountains with flood insurance.

Without some sort of aid many of these people are SOL.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 4:37p, 9/29/24
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Our family was at Lake Lure over the Labor Day weekend, and ate a couple of times in Chimney Rock. Such a cool little village.

My daughter forwarded this tweet to us on Friday. If you watch the video to the end, you'll see a parking lot with a couple of ticket gates. If the video continued on around, you'd see a little BBQ place where we ate our last night there. It was not the edge of the town like it looks in the video.

That sweet little village is basically gone. We are just heartbroken. I contacted our AirBnb folks to see how they made out, but obviously haven't gotten a response yet.


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4:43p, 9/29/24
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Were any of those places under evacuation orders?
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4:57p, 9/29/24
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Sounds like we've got all employees accounted for in Asheville and Hendersonville offices.

Just waiting, anxiously, to hear back from one of my Aggie friends and her parents. Texted and FB messaged, but nothing back yet.
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5:04p, 9/29/24
Where the F is the federal response, even a mention of this storm by Kamala or Joe?????
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 5:05p, 9/29/24
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Sq 17 said:
Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain


This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.
Yes I know totals were much higher I am just saying that very few people even if the predictions are accurate still struggle being prepared for that much rain
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In reply to AggieKatie2 • 5:06p, 9/29/24
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AggieKatie2 said:
Sounds like we've got all employees accounted for in Asheville and Hendersonville offices.

Just waiting, anxiously, to hear back from one of my Aggie friends and her parents. Texted and FB messaged, but nothing back yet.


I have an old boss who lives in Hendersonville now. He had to drive 50miles east to get a signal and let us know they were OK but no power or cell service for the foreseeable future.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 5:21p, 9/29/24
They had days of warnings. They we're in a flood zone and NWS extreme flood Advisory 48 hours before,
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:22p, 9/29/24
They were all under extreme flood warnings.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 5:23p, 9/29/24
Not blaming them but NWS had predicted this scenario. The flood issue they had in place has only been used like 10 times in their history.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 5:26p, 9/29/24
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This is going to take months to years to fix!
Holy crap, I drove through that area on I40 quite a lot when driving home from A&M to Petersburg , VA.
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In reply to deadhead aggie • 5:29p, 9/29/24
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deadhead aggie said:
reporting from Johnson City, TN….major interstate from the Tri-Cities TN area to Asheville is wiped-out….our access to the Carolinas took a serious blow…went to the grocery this morning and it's evident that deliveries of inventory are impacted…lots of people still missing….

i went through Ike, Harvey, Katrina, Alicia, etc. in Texas….this one caught everybody off-guard….gonna be a long recovery…

I'm in Bristol. This is a huge disaster! I-40 is going to be a mess for a long time.
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5:41p, 9/29/24
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Where would people evacuating in those mountain towns and cities actually go? And how far away? The storm was so huge covering a lot of territory.
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In reply to Raiderjay • 5:42p, 9/29/24
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Raiderjay said:
Where the F is the federal response, even a mention of this storm by Kamala or Joe?????


Working on funding for Ukraine.
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6:04p, 9/29/24
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Any word on Knoxville?
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In reply to Sq 17 • 6:12p, 9/29/24
Sq 17 said:
Nanomachines son said:
Sq 17 said:
Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain


This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.
Yes I know totals were much higher I am just saying that very few people even if the predictions are accurate still struggle being prepared for that much rain


Models nailed Harvey though, they did actually predict 60" of rain and widespread 30+". They really struggled with this one with the rain totals. 25" is a lot different than 45".

They did hit the extreme rain from Helene but you all are acting like a flat flood is the same as a mountain one. They are nothing alike. You cannot traverse this kind of water in a boat. The roads are literally gone now. This is an order of magnitude worse.
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6:15p, 9/29/24
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Why isn't this a much bigger story?

Why don't we have feds shouting from the rooftops?
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In reply to TAMUallen • 6:18p, 9/29/24
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Why isn't this a much bigger story?

Why don't we have feds shouting from the rooftops?


I am convinced it's because large parts of these areas are gone, power is out, and all communication is gone. There is no way in or out except by air and all helicopters are being used for rescue efforts. Since media are too stupid to report on anything like this without being told what to do, they just ignore it.
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Many of these areas may never recover.
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In reply to Nanomachines son • 6:37p, 9/29/24
Nanomachines son said:
Sq 17 said:
Nobody is ever prepared for 15 + inches of rain


This was way higher than 15". A few mountain top areas got 40+". It's why so many videos are of washouts and more. Mountain rain with flash flooding is far more vicious than flat plain flooding like during Harvey.
Yep, we got like 44 or 48 inches of rain in Harvey, in like 40 something hours. But did not flood. And in the mountainous areas, or even areas with high hills, it does not take 40 inches to be a catastrophe. We had some property leased between Uvalde and Rocksprings and got a 4 or 5 inch rain, over a short period of time, and the water running down washed a maintainer and a huge backhoe way, way downstream. But no damage to houses because people in that area don't tend to build where that can happen.
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In reply to Nitro Power • 6:57p, 9/29/24
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Nitro Power said:
Any word on Knoxville?
Knoxville didn't get much of the storm. I saw early predictions of the eye going over Knoxville before heading northwest into Kentucky where it was supposed to stall out and die.

Fortunately for them, unfortunate for us and western NC, it steered east and hung around.
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