Captain Pablo said:

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falconace said:

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I don't see the issue here and I expected to open this thread and be pissed off.

There are clearly defined boy and girls sides. The toilets have full size stalls. No one can see into a stall unless they walk up next to it and look through the crack or under them in which case they would be seen doing this from the hall. If this was just a unisex bathroom with these stalls, I'd be upset but boys and girls are segregated.

This design makes it harder for kids to bully others in the bathroom, harder for trans kids to rape real girls in the bathroom, and makes it harder for boys to do stupid destructive crap (that we are wired to try if given the opportunity). It also helps keep adults out of the kids rest rooms (at my kids school there are kid restrooms and adult restrooms for faculty and parents).

Could it be embarrassing if you have a super loud poop explosion? Sure. But it would be embarrassing with how most bathrooms are designed that don't have full size enclosed toilet rooms. Having full size enclosed toilet rooms is a big security issue in a school (e.g. rape, bullying, etc.) and would concern me more than this design. This is why most of us guys remember having toilets without stall doors at some school at some point in our lives. The bathroom likely had a real closing door and taking the stall doors away discouraged bad things from happening behind closed doors. Sucked to take a **** in a place like that with zero privacy (except from the other sex). This would be way better.

The common sink is likely good for peer pressured hand washing and makes it harder to stop up the sink, etc.

Not sure what the issue of having a glass wall classroom across the hall is. It's not like they can see into doorless stalls.

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But why is it necessary that the boys and girls are in the same room?

Could they not address all of your security concerns, but have separate boys and girls bathrooms?

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They aren't in the same room except to wash hands. This isn't a locker room. There aren't urinals lining the wall in the common area. There is a common hand washing room and then a boys room with stalls and a girls room with stalls. What is happening outside of the stalls that needs to be private?

I'd have an issue with this if there was one stall room. Zoom in on the picture, it's a boys sign on the wall going into the stall room. I imagine girls are on the other side of the sink room based on how I've seen similar restrooms in other places.

I feel for the little girls even having to share a sink area with little boys. It seems liie they have created a bullying/harrasment zone. I wouldnt wany my daughter sharing that space with boys.

havent schools been doing common sink areas for ever? the big industrial foot pedal sink.

falconace said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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falconace said:

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I don't see the issue here and I expected to open this thread and be pissed off.

There are clearly defined boy and girls sides. The toilets have full size stalls. No one can see into a stall unless they walk up next to it and look through the crack or under them in which case they would be seen doing this from the hall. If this was just a unisex bathroom with these stalls, I'd be upset but boys and girls are segregated.

This design makes it harder for kids to bully others in the bathroom, harder for trans kids to rape real girls in the bathroom, and makes it harder for boys to do stupid destructive crap (that we are wired to try if given the opportunity). It also helps keep adults out of the kids rest rooms (at my kids school there are kid restrooms and adult restrooms for faculty and parents).

Could it be embarrassing if you have a super loud poop explosion? Sure. But it would be embarrassing with how most bathrooms are designed that don't have full size enclosed toilet rooms. Having full size enclosed toilet rooms is a big security issue in a school (e.g. rape, bullying, etc.) and would concern me more than this design. This is why most of us guys remember having toilets without stall doors at some school at some point in our lives. The bathroom likely had a real closing door and taking the stall doors away discouraged bad things from happening behind closed doors. Sucked to take a **** in a place like that with zero privacy (except from the other sex). This would be way better.

The common sink is likely good for peer pressured hand washing and makes it harder to stop up the sink, etc.

Not sure what the issue of having a glass wall classroom across the hall is. It's not like they can see into doorless stalls.

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But why is it necessary that the boys and girls are in the same room?

Could they not address all of your security concerns, but have separate boys and girls bathrooms?

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They aren't in the same room except to wash hands. This isn't a locker room. There aren't urinals lining the wall in the common area. There is a common hand washing room and then a boys room with stalls and a girls room with stalls. What is happening outside of the stalls that needs to be private?

I'd have an issue with this if there was one stall room. Zoom in on the picture, it's a boys sign on the wall going into the stall room. I imagine girls are on the other side of the sink room based on how I've seen similar restrooms in other places.

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What? They sure as hell are in the same room. They are in different areas of one room. It is a single restroom, with the boys area on the right, and the girls area on the left.

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So, round rock again is in the news for their progressive values. They just did some updating of an elementary school and have an open bathroom plan.

One room, one triple vanity, no wall dividing bathroom from hallway. Girls toilets on one side, boys on the other.

This open bathroom is across the hall from a classroom that has a glass front wall.



This picture is taken from the hallway. You can see the stalls have no ceilings and don't go all the way to the floor.

Local radio is full of upset parents because their kids are saying they feel very exposed and embarrassed to use these restroom. We're talking 3rd, 4th and 5th graders.

I wouldn't doubt some posters here have kids at this school.

What do yall think?

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Now show us the teacher's restroom...

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Round Rock ISD (cir. 2027)

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Or A&M Corps dorms in the 50's to 80's…

The elementary school I went to had separate rooms for girls and boys with toilets and urinals but they connected to a common open lobby with a gigantic semi circular hand washing station.

Gonna have to disagree

1. The kids aren't going to feel the same privacy as you suggest. In fact, some parents already stated their kids didn't use the restroom on the forst day of school.

2. The reason the classroom with glass across the hall matters- other kids can always see who and when a student enters the restroom. If there happens to be loud noises or bad smells, there's no hiding. It's about the perception of privacy, of which is greatly reduced in this set up.

3. This is 3rd, 4th and 5th grade. These kids are still figuring out things. Some girls are starting their periods. Some boys still pull their pants all the way down to pee. These bathrooms are going to affect the kids perception of privacy.

4. Layout- this layout isn't more efficient than a more traditional bathroom

5. The school district- I don't trust their intentions are pure. This is the school district that sent home a female athlete because she complained a male athlete claiming to be female made her uncomfortable in the locker room. So, they sent the girl home. This isd is pretty radical on the trans issue and these bathrooms appear to be blurring the gender lines.

6. I could see this style bathroom working in high school, with a tweak or two, as a way to cut down on bad behavior like bullying or vaping. I just don't think it's necessary for elementary school

A drunk woman beater to be exact, who had active restraining orders when they hired him

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Round Rock ISD (cir. 2027)

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Haha, I remember a visitor field house looking like this in the early 2000s. Carthage or Kilgore. High school football… good times



or san antonio circa 97

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I don't see how this is any different than a bathroom with shared sinks and the stalls around the corner with a wall in front of the hall but no door to each stall room. This is what we had at multiple elementary schools I went to across the US as a kid. We had the shared foot pedal sinks.

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1. The kids aren't going to feel the same privacy as you suggest. In fact, some parents already stated their kids didn't use the restroom on the forst day of school.

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There are kids that will never use the bathroom at school regardless of what the layout is. I knew kids that never pooped at school... ever.

Who?mikejones! said:

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2. The reason the classroom with glass across the hall matters- other kids can always see who and when a student enters the restroom. If there happens to be loud noises or bad smells, there's no hiding. It's about the perception of privacy, of which is greatly reduced in this set up.

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Many folks on this thread said that if each toilet was isolated in its own room, this would be ok. That would be necessary if it was a unisex restroom. However, I don't know how that is ok with the glass classroom but its not ok with stalls that you can't see into. You can still see who goes in and who comes out. You'd have the same issue. Even if there was an opening that you had to walk around a corner for, you have the same issue. Heck, even if you had a physical door for boys and a physical door for girls, you can see who is going in and out and when.

Who?mikejones! said:

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3. This is 3rd, 4th and 5th grade. These kids are still figuring out things. Some girls are starting their periods. Some boys still pull their pants all the way down to pee. These bathrooms are going to affect the kids perception of privacy.

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I'm not a girl so I never got my period. Maybe I don't get it but I have two daughters. I don't know how getting a period is any different in this bathroom than any other design. I don't imagine you walk around outside the stall waving your tampon or pad around. You go into the stall and take care of your business and leave. Just like taking a *****

Regarding the boys pulling their pants down to pee, they would be in a stall. This picture shows the boys side which doesn't contain any urinals (unless they are in a stall). Again, this would be private... you wouldn't have folks walking by seeing a bare assed kid pissing.

Who?mikejones! said:

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4. Layout- this layout isn't more efficient than a more traditional bathroom

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I don't think anyone mentioned that this is more efficient. I just don't see anything wrong with this layout.

Who?mikejones! said:

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5. The school district- I don't trust their intentions are pure. This is the school district that sent home a female athlete because she complained a male athlete claiming to be female made her uncomfortable in the locker room. So, they sent the girl home. This isd is pretty radical on the trans issue and these bathrooms appear to be blurring the gender lines.

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I'm not saying the school district isn't woke. Folks on here were complaining about lack of privacy. If they had common stalls where you could have boys and girls sitting next to each other, that is an issue.

Who?mikejones! said:

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6. I could see this style bathroom working in high school, with a tweak or two, as a way to cut down on bad behavior like bullying or vaping. I just don't think it's necessary for elementary school

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No one said its necessary. I simply said I don't have an issue with the design. I read the subject and thought I'd be pissed... especially with what I've heard about the ISD. I just don't have an issue with the design from a privacy standpoint.

Bruce Almighty said:

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I worked at a school 6 years ago that had troughs in the boys restrooms.

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Hell yeah..nothing like trying to see who could piss across from one side to the other

zephyr88 said:

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Reminds me of the Stark Club 1985.

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Wow, hadn't thought of that place in a long, long time. Way different, and better for that matter, times. Saw some interesting occurrences there in my 2 visits.

Fair points.

I posted the OP after hearing multiple parents from brushy creek complaining on the radio about it and them trying to find any info.

I think it's ultimately about the perception of privacy. It's one thing to be in a semi private stall in a closed to the outside room vs a semi private stall in
an open to the hallway space.

So glad I don't have kids so I don't have to deal with this stupid *****

AggieT said:

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Better than the restrooms we had in the 90s. No stall doors in the men's room… no idea why. How can anyone **** with potential turd burglars feet away?

I would just use the faculty restrooms. They tried to give me detention for this, but I fought it (and prevailed) because it was not mentioned in the student rules.

God, high school sucked!

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Same at my high school in the late 90's. Had to run out to the field house to take a dump so you could avoid the special ed kids standing in front of the stall watching you or trying to touch you while you were squeezing one out. That place looks luxurious compared to that.

Muddyfeet said:

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AggieT said:

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Better than the restrooms we had in the 90s. No stall doors in the men's room… no idea why. How can anyone **** with potential turd burglars feet away?

I would just use the faculty restrooms. They tried to give me detention for this, but I fought it (and prevailed) because it was not mentioned in the student rules.

God, high school sucked!

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Same at my high school in the late 90's. Had to run out to the field house to take a dump so you could avoid the special ed kids standing in front of the stall watching you or trying to touch you while you were squeezing one out. That place looks luxurious compared to that.

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Our field house had 4 toilets lined up with no doors or walls and perpendicular to the toilets were 3 sinks w/ mirrors and across from the toilets was a trough style urinal. It was awesome. Our Jr High and HS had no doors in the boys toilets, it was ridiculous. We would leave campus for lunch and go to friend's houses just to go to the bathroom.

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AggieT said:

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Better than the restrooms we had in the 90s. No stall doors in the men's room… no idea why. How can anyone **** with potential turd burglars feet away?

I would just use the faculty restrooms. They tried to give me detention for this, but I fought it (and prevailed) because it was not mentioned in the student rules.

God, high school sucked!

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My 1970s elementary school in the Houston area had the doors removed from the stalls, at least in the boys bathroom. Not long after I started there in 2nd grade, I went to take a dump, then a bunch of 3rd graders came in, stood in front of me in the opening and mercilessly made fun of me. That was the last time I took a dump at school.

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You're missing out

Did you see this?

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/round-rock/round-rock-isd-board-to-finalize-nearly-1-billion-bond-proposal-as-school-year-begins/

BTHOB-98 said:

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Did you see this?

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/round-rock/round-rock-isd-board-to-finalize-nearly-1-billion-bond-proposal-as-school-year-begins/

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I posted about it earlier

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As for the tax rate, if the bond were to be approved, Azaiez said it would not increase the property tax rate.

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falconace said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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falconace said:

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I don't see the issue here and I expected to open this thread and be pissed off.

There are clearly defined boy and girls sides. The toilets have full size stalls. No one can see into a stall unless they walk up next to it and look through the crack or under them in which case they would be seen doing this from the hall. If this was just a unisex bathroom with these stalls, I'd be upset but boys and girls are segregated.

This design makes it harder for kids to bully others in the bathroom, harder for trans kids to rape real girls in the bathroom, and makes it harder for boys to do stupid destructive crap (that we are wired to try if given the opportunity). It also helps keep adults out of the kids rest rooms (at my kids school there are kid restrooms and adult restrooms for faculty and parents).

Could it be embarrassing if you have a super loud poop explosion? Sure. But it would be embarrassing with how most bathrooms are designed that don't have full size enclosed toilet rooms. Having full size enclosed toilet rooms is a big security issue in a school (e.g. rape, bullying, etc.) and would concern me more than this design. This is why most of us guys remember having toilets without stall doors at some school at some point in our lives. The bathroom likely had a real closing door and taking the stall doors away discouraged bad things from happening behind closed doors. Sucked to take a **** in a place like that with zero privacy (except from the other sex). This would be way better.

The common sink is likely good for peer pressured hand washing and makes it harder to stop up the sink, etc.

Not sure what the issue of having a glass wall classroom across the hall is. It's not like they can see into doorless stalls.

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But why is it necessary that the boys and girls are in the same room?

Could they not address all of your security concerns, but have separate boys and girls bathrooms?

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They aren't in the same room except to wash hands. This isn't a locker room. There aren't urinals lining the wall in the common area. There is a common hand washing room and then a boys room with stalls and a girls room with stalls. What is happening outside of the stalls that needs to be private?

I'd have an issue with this if there was one stall room. Zoom in on the picture, it's a boys sign on the wall going into the stall room. I imagine girls are on the other side of the sink room based on how I've seen similar restrooms in other places.

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If there's not a full dividing wall between the two sets of toilets then they are 1000% in the same room.

If I can hear someone taking a loud sh*t then we're in the same room. Ever rip a big fart when taking a piss? Now imagine you're in elementary school with the possibility of being singled out and picked on because of it.

I don't know how anyone can try to rationalize this. Men and women have the right to separate spaces, especially bathrooms.

ATX_AG_08 said:

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falconace said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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falconace said:

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I don't see the issue here and I expected to open this thread and be pissed off.

There are clearly defined boy and girls sides. The toilets have full size stalls. No one can see into a stall unless they walk up next to it and look through the crack or under them in which case they would be seen doing this from the hall. If this was just a unisex bathroom with these stalls, I'd be upset but boys and girls are segregated.

This design makes it harder for kids to bully others in the bathroom, harder for trans kids to rape real girls in the bathroom, and makes it harder for boys to do stupid destructive crap (that we are wired to try if given the opportunity). It also helps keep adults out of the kids rest rooms (at my kids school there are kid restrooms and adult restrooms for faculty and parents).

Could it be embarrassing if you have a super loud poop explosion? Sure. But it would be embarrassing with how most bathrooms are designed that don't have full size enclosed toilet rooms. Having full size enclosed toilet rooms is a big security issue in a school (e.g. rape, bullying, etc.) and would concern me more than this design. This is why most of us guys remember having toilets without stall doors at some school at some point in our lives. The bathroom likely had a real closing door and taking the stall doors away discouraged bad things from happening behind closed doors. Sucked to take a **** in a place like that with zero privacy (except from the other sex). This would be way better.

The common sink is likely good for peer pressured hand washing and makes it harder to stop up the sink, etc.

Not sure what the issue of having a glass wall classroom across the hall is. It's not like they can see into doorless stalls.

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But why is it necessary that the boys and girls are in the same room?

Could they not address all of your security concerns, but have separate boys and girls bathrooms?

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They aren't in the same room except to wash hands. This isn't a locker room. There aren't urinals lining the wall in the common area. There is a common hand washing room and then a boys room with stalls and a girls room with stalls. What is happening outside of the stalls that needs to be private?

I'd have an issue with this if there was one stall room. Zoom in on the picture, it's a boys sign on the wall going into the stall room. I imagine girls are on the other side of the sink room based on how I've seen similar restrooms in other places.

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If there's not a full dividing wall between the two sets of toilets then they are 1000% in the same room.

If I can hear someone taking a loud sh*t then we're in the same room. Ever rip a big fart when taking a piss? Now imagine you're in elementary school with the possibility of being singled out and picked on because of it.

I don't know how anyone can try to rationalize this. Men and women have the right to separate spaces, especially bathrooms.

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There is a full dividing wall between the two sets of toilets. The only difference between this setup and one none of us have ever thought twice about is a wall blocking the view of the actual stalls from the hallway, where you walk around a corner. It's still wide open for sounds and smells.

ATX_AG_08 said:

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falconace said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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falconace said:

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I don't see the issue here and I expected to open this thread and be pissed off.

There are clearly defined boy and girls sides. The toilets have full size stalls. No one can see into a stall unless they walk up next to it and look through the crack or under them in which case they would be seen doing this from the hall. If this was just a unisex bathroom with these stalls, I'd be upset but boys and girls are segregated.

This design makes it harder for kids to bully others in the bathroom, harder for trans kids to rape real girls in the bathroom, and makes it harder for boys to do stupid destructive crap (that we are wired to try if given the opportunity). It also helps keep adults out of the kids rest rooms (at my kids school there are kid restrooms and adult restrooms for faculty and parents).

Could it be embarrassing if you have a super loud poop explosion? Sure. But it would be embarrassing with how most bathrooms are designed that don't have full size enclosed toilet rooms. Having full size enclosed toilet rooms is a big security issue in a school (e.g. rape, bullying, etc.) and would concern me more than this design. This is why most of us guys remember having toilets without stall doors at some school at some point in our lives. The bathroom likely had a real closing door and taking the stall doors away discouraged bad things from happening behind closed doors. Sucked to take a **** in a place like that with zero privacy (except from the other sex). This would be way better.

The common sink is likely good for peer pressured hand washing and makes it harder to stop up the sink, etc.

Not sure what the issue of having a glass wall classroom across the hall is. It's not like they can see into doorless stalls.

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But why is it necessary that the boys and girls are in the same room?

Could they not address all of your security concerns, but have separate boys and girls bathrooms?

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They aren't in the same room except to wash hands. This isn't a locker room. There aren't urinals lining the wall in the common area. There is a common hand washing room and then a boys room with stalls and a girls room with stalls. What is happening outside of the stalls that needs to be private?

I'd have an issue with this if there was one stall room. Zoom in on the picture, it's a boys sign on the wall going into the stall room. I imagine girls are on the other side of the sink room based on how I've seen similar restrooms in other places.

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If there's not a full dividing wall between the two sets of toilets then they are 1000% in the same room.

If I can hear someone taking a loud sh*t then we're in the same room. Ever rip a big fart when taking a piss? Now imagine you're in elementary school with the possibility of being singled out and picked on because of it.

I don't know how anyone can try to rationalize this. Men and women have the right to separate spaces, especially bathrooms.

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I hate to divulge too much personal information, but I'm the first person up in my house every morning. First order of business is emptying my bladder, which is usually accompanied by releasing all the intestinal gas with raucous thunder. This is in a closed bathroom, but I know everyone can hear it.


Do you know why farts smell?

So blind people can appreciate them too.