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all I know is that for months I have been saying the deep state isn't gonna let him be President again...so I'm not particularly surprised he got shot. not sure why anyone else would be either.

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The same deep state (FBI/Intel community) who literally conspired with big tech/media to rig/influence the 2020 election. When you take everything in the aggregate, going back to when he first assumed office...really does look like a "by any means necessary" approach. In a vacuum, having him wacked seems unthinkable, but not when you consider all of the actions and rhetoric from the last 8 years.

They are TERRIFIED of him taking power again. I am half-convinced that's why Covid was released from a Chinese lab. I just can't figure out if it's because he is so anti-war/military industrial complex...or if there's something we don't even know about?

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I am half-convinced that's why Covid was released from a Chinese lab.

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In Jan / Feb of 2020 there were people on here predicting that covid would (1) be used to interfere with the 2020 election; and (2) an experimental drug would be rolled out which would later be found to have dangerous side effects. Covid was the slowest moving pitch of all time and may be the most unbelievable course of events in all of human history.

This Trump shooting runs on the same vein. Four years from now we might look back on this and wonder wtf were we thinking buying into one of the wildest stories of all time.

Which is that the world's foremost protective service was foiled by a 20 y/o autistic kid on a bike.

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I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.

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There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.

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Do you think it would be smart to have him make everything? Or would it be more likely they made it for him and delivered it for his attempt?

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I would think it was made for him judging by the fact that there were only 8 days between the announce of the event and the event itself. I am guessing there were all sorts of things delivered and he likely had a handler or "friend" that probably some sort of fed that was a professor or something. This handler was over often enough to not raise suspicion. The house being scrubbed is interesting to say the least.

This 20 y/o unmotivated little ****bird with no ambition in life suddenly gets a burst of motivation to plan and execute on a complex task.

Lives with parents
Drives Hyundai Elantra
Works as a messcook in nursing home
Plays video games and looks a porn all day

But suddenly he decides that Trump is just too much and he must take action by constructing a ultimately successful plan on 7-days notice.

Maybe it was a Russian sleeper cell that just got activated

This doesn't help tamp down conspiracies. (Credit Aggiehawg on the main shooting thread for the link.)

🚨🚨BREAKING: Whistleblower tells @HawleyMO that local law enforcement partners offered drones to Secret Service before Butler, PA Trump rally. Secret Service DECLINED.

This comes after news that the shooter was flying his own drone around the site the day of the rally. pic.twitter.com/9XThBe7Txn

— Abigail Jackson 🇺🇸 (@abigailmarone) July 25, 2024

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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Madman said:

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Madman said:

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I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.

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There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.

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Do you think it would be smart to have him make everything? Or would it be more likely they made it for him and delivered it for his attempt?

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I would think it was made for him judging by the fact that there were only 8 days between the announce of the event and the event itself. I am guessing there were all sorts of things delivered and he likely had a handler or "friend" that probably some sort of fed that was a professor or something. This handler was over often enough to not raise suspicion. The house being scrubbed is interesting to say the least.

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I would think made for him as well. But that means there is little to scrub at the house.

And if you want to frame a patsy you would want to leave evidence of some sort tying him to the event. So maybe not a scrub but a plant.

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Maybe it was a Russian sleeper cell that just got activated

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Sounds wild but literally what the Director of the FBI told us ... [checks notes] ... yesterday.

the only thing I find hard is radicalization to violence online, I do believe exposure to that makes you numb if your constantly viewing it but I don't think this kid just out of the blue decided he was gonna assassinate trump

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For the US population as is we're probably talking less than 10%. Worse than 4 MOA accuracy and a zero magnification red dot on a 6"x8" target? Sure - any competent hunter should be ringing steel, but everyone who doesn't know rifle basics is missing that.

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Damn people, he didn't miss the first shot. If Trump hadn't turned his head at trigger pull, he'd be dead. Under the situation and pressure he was under at that very moment, he made a remarkable shot for a non-magnification red dot. Divine intervention or luck is all that saved Trump.

I'll bet under those conditions, all you sharp shooters couldn't get that close.

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For the US population as is we're probably talking less than 10%. Worse than 4 MOA accuracy and a zero magnification red dot on a 6"x8" target? Sure - any competent hunter should be ringing steel, but everyone who doesn't know rifle basics is missing that.

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If Trump hadn't turned his head at trigger pull, he'd be dead. Under the situation and pressure he was under at that very moment, he made a remarkable shot for a non-magnification red dot. Divine intervention or luck is all that saved Trump.

I'll bet under those conditions, all you sharp shooters couldn't get that close.

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We were lucky there was divine intervention.

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the only thing I find hard is radicalization to violence online, I do believe exposure to that makes you numb if your constantly viewing it but I don't think this kid just out of the blue decided he was gonna assassinate trump

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You mean like what happened during the whole BLM stuff? Or what happened yesterday? They had masses ready to commit crimes.

During the Obama administration they got caught trying to radicalize Muslims online. The government has been doing this kind of things since the 1950s, they just have an easier way to do it now.

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Madman said:

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I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.

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There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.

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Do you think it would be smart to have him make everything? Or would it be more likely they made it for him and delivered it for his attempt?

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I would think it was made for him judging by the fact that there were only 8 days between the announce of the event and the event itself. I am guessing there were all sorts of things delivered and he likely had a handler or "friend" that probably some sort of fed that was a professor or something. This handler was over often enough to not raise suspicion. The house being scrubbed is interesting to say the least.

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I would think made for him as well. But that means there is little to scrub at the house.

And if you want to frame a patsy you would want to leave evidence of some sort tying him to the event. So maybe not a scrub but a plant.

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Or the scrub of the house has to do with his buddy from Iran and there were materials in the home to support that.

Denying offers from local law enforcement to provide aerial surveillance is quite remarkable, to say the least, when USSS obviously had decided to provide none themselves.

It keeps getting worse…

In a letter to Secretary Mayorkas today, Senator Josh Hawley reveals that Secret Service “repeatedly denied offers from local law enforcement to utilize drone technology to secure the rally”

Mayorkas needs to be held accountable— criminal! https://t.co/PorxnLctL5 pic.twitter.com/j7ywIGS8KP

— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) July 25, 2024

One more pathetic nail in the deniability coffin. (Note, I am not reading the other thread any longer, so no clue how it's discussed there, just assume it is a parallel to other such 'official views only' discussions at this point.)

Shrapnel theory (No. 3 on OP) posited by director of FBI.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/fbi-director-christopher-wray-questions-whether-trump-was-struck-by-bullet/

Not shooter related, but a tangent conspiracy theory.

Biden grew a few inches while he was missing for five days… pic.twitter.com/oLkANz941o

— @amuse (@amuse) July 25, 2024

That was the first shot, no one else got hit by 'shrapnel' on stage, and we're supposed to believe the ricochet off of…something not nearby is what might have hit his ear and caused all that bleeding?

I was wondering when we'd get to the Warren Commission 'magic bullet' point so the left could claim Trump's not bullet proof. Even with an incredible image of the actual bullet caught on a series of pics by a photographer as he reached for his ear. "Nope, probably something else, maybe he nicked himself shaving or something."

The FBI, and USSS are so damn pathetic. I'll try to carve out some time tomorrow to list out the things you have to accept/believe to think this was just some random incompetence/not a set up again.

Grassley has released all of the body cam video he received from Beaver County. And Grassley also said this.

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A review of the footage by Grassley's office particularly raises questions regarding:
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The fragmented and delayed chain of communication between local and federal law enforcement; and

A seemingly delayed response in identifying and disabling a potential detonator device, including a potential device located next to the deceased shooter.

[/ol]The video footage additionally records law enforcement discussing the need to use a drone to inspect and secure the water tower on site. Records obtained by Grassley corroborate that USSS had assigned an Unmanned Aerial System drone operator to the event. Despite this, FBI Director Christopher Wray yesterday testified to the House Judiciary Committee that the shooter successfully flew his own drone around the venue two hours before opening fire.

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LINK with videos.

Joe is only 6' 0" tall……

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the only thing I find hard is radicalization to violence online, I do believe exposure to that makes you numb if your constantly viewing it but I don't think this kid just out of the blue decided he was gonna assassinate trump

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Agreed and it's wild to me on that basis. People exposed to anything and everything online at all times competing for attention and specifically engineered to hold someone's attention for as long as possible.

So the idea that some 20 y'o kid t is 'radicalized' online seems like a stretch. Somebody might go an a rant about this or that or post some crazy **** but thats the end of it. Back to playing world or warcraft or whatever.

Here it seems like this guy was motivated by some extraneous force.

My immediate reaction was SSRI / SNRI or other combination or psychotropics and the guy latches on to this one idea and goes out of his mind.

The other is that somehow he was latched on to and encouraged to do so my some unknown force.

20 y/o kid living in conditions within the top 1% standard of living worldwide is somehow radicalized to the point he just can't take it any more and successfully plans and pulls off maybe the most bold plan we've ever seen carried out by a single person.

Kid goes on a suicide mission. He was probably shocked that he got as far as he did. Now if he had some sort of support system the maybe not. We'll probably never know the real story.

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the only thing I find hard is radicalization to violence online, I do believe exposure to that makes you numb if your constantly viewing it but I don't think this kid just out of the blue decided he was gonna assassinate trump

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Agreed and it's wild to me on that basis. People exposed to anything and everything online at all times competing for attention and specifically engineered to hold someone's attention for as long as possible.

So the idea that some 20 y'o kid t is 'radicalized' online seems like a stretch. Somebody might go an a rant about this or that or post some crazy **** but thats the end of it. Back to playing world or warcraft or whatever.

Here it seems like this guy was motivated by some extraneous force.

My immediate reaction was SSRI / SNRI or other combination or psychotropics and the guy latches on to this one idea and goes out of his mind.

The other is that somehow he was latched on to and encouraged to do so my some unknown force.

20 y/o kid living in conditions within the top 1% standard of living worldwide is somehow radicalized to the point he just can't take it any more and successfully plans and pulls off maybe the most bold plan we've ever seen carried out by a single person.

Kid goes on a suicide mission. He was probably shocked that he got as far as he did. Now if he had some sort of support system the maybe not. We'll probably never know the real story.

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He was on SSRIs, he was targeted by the feds and brainwashed using their programs. Then he was given bombs and other supplies and told what to do. He went.

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Not shooter related, but a tangent conspiracy theory.

Biden grew a few inches while he was missing for five days… pic.twitter.com/oLkANz941o

— @amuse (@amuse) July 25, 2024

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Is this for real?

Looks like a presidents mask from the movie Point Break.

"Life sure has a sick sense of humor, doesn't it?"

-Bodhi

His psychosis is way secondary to how his actions were permitted and facilitated.

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His psychosis is way secondary to how his actions were permitted and facilitated.

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Also, motive has never been a required element for murder nor attempted murder. Sure it is helpful for a jury to understand the charged defendant had a good reason to want to kill someone but it is not an element that requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Shooter is dead. Will not be a criminal trial. So that whole issue is moot, two times over.

Now if the Behavioral Analysis unit at the FBI wants to do a case study on the issue, knock themselves out.

But not a proper subject for the hard investigation the FBI must do here.

This is getting good....

Uh... 🧐 https://t.co/ahwP2tZiII pic.twitter.com/17ybI3YUNP

— Adam Gaertner 🇺🇸 (@veryvirology) July 25, 2024

On The Psychology Of The Conspiracy Denier A closer look at the class that mocks.

Highest heels on Jilly cannot explain that. Her walk was stinted though. Makes me think they tried to get her into higher heels but discovered her limit without falling down.

FTR: I can't wear high heels anymore either. Bad ankle and knee. Only flats.

In the line picture, she looks like she's stepping down steps.

I don't buy the height issue for the body doubles for the record (nor the multiple shooter theories). I think this thread is best focused on the issue of the shooter whom the USSS facilitated (possibly with other agencies) to be allowed to take a clear shot at the former president leading the race this year.

I am not complaining and folks should post what they think is relevant but just my two cents.

covid makes you grow taller, interesting side effect......

If that really isn't him then they are all complicit.

But seriously look at his legs. Look how long the legs are. It's bizarre. His stride is completely different, he's wearing dress shoes instead of tennis shoes. It's just weird. But I don't know. Whatever. I don't think he's long for this world anyway.

Somebody can find the stories if the like.

The CIA purposely used fake pictures of Osama Bin Laden in reports to congress on several occasions. The man used was just joe nobody in a dsiguise. This was done before his death. I don't remember the reason given after it was noticed, but it was done.

And if you want to spend some time with this lady. The CIA has a disguise program that uses prosthetic masks. Not sure if its in this video or not.

Unfortunately, this video did not point out the door/window from which law enforcement were taking pictures of Crooks as he set up.

🚨 You can tell how *close* the Trump assassin was able to get to The President because his blood trail still on the roof

‘This is a 1 out of 10 difficulty’ snipers tell me on-site

My cameraman is standing in Trump’s exact location at the rally

We recreated the shots. Watch: pic.twitter.com/OvtSSQ9wmU

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 26, 2024

Required beliefs by the 'it was just incompetence' team:

• Crooks was the lone assassin who operated without assistance.
• FBI communications with him and locations of said devices near FBI offices in DC are untrue.
• Crooks taught himself how to make remote detonating bombs in the week prior, acquired the materiels and transmitter, and kept this information to himself while living with his parents in a 1,000 sq. Ft. Home with no garage.
• Crooks surveillance of the area via drone 2 hours prior to the attempted assassination did not warrant USSS or security to hold Trump in the 'tent' as Trump described it.
• Crooks suspicious behavior and then being 'lost' in the crowd did not warrant Trump being held/delayed from going on stage.
• Crowd shouts of 'he's got a gun' etc. were not relayed to the USSS in time for stage team to react, but it did allow local police to hoist each other up to look at shooter before he was shot.
• USSS and other counter sniper team could not shoot at or see Crooks before he took the first shot, though he did not move.
• Responsible security personnel for this elevated position just decided to leave their post and go inside because it was 'too hot.'
• Photo's taken from above (within structure) of Crooks were relayed to security leadership but nothing could be done.
• Backpack with AR15 was stashed on-site a week before and missed by USSS site team.
• Crooks van with explosives in it was missed by USSS site team.
• Crooks parents called in having just noticed he stole an AR a couple hours prior to attempt.
• USSS did not feel a need to bring counter sniper team initially, only reluctantly agreed.
• USSS assigned 12 post standers to Dr. Jill event nearby but only 4 to Trump rally coincidentally.
• USSS was aware of Iranian threat to Trump and just had resource limitations.
• FBI was wholly unaware of Crooks/not monitored prior despite his use of Google in bomb making research.
• Clearing of folks behind Trump within 10 seconds of shots was just coincidence.
• One lady seeming to signal shooter behind Trump and calmly film was just unrelated.
• Crooks, a 20 year old with no professional training, single handedly scouted this area/location, lucked into unprotected roof location, and figured out how to evade counter sniper fire or detection on his own randomly.
• Crooks, an Act blue donor did not hate republicans/conservatives and was not on medication making him more susceptible to manipulation.
• Crooks had no social media footprint, unlike any other living 20 year old male American.
• Local/state offers of aerial surveillance were rejected by USSS for innocent reasons.
• Zero evacuation plans were made (leading to need to ram down gate) by USSS in event of violence/disruption.
• USSS director did not yet have a timeline of events when testifying before congress a week later.
• Staff shortages led to lack of personnel to observe from water tower.
• Shooter practiced/was a member at range nearby (20 miles from his home) where federal law enforcement routinely also shoots. No records of irregular behavior/contacts though.
• FBI director testified iron sights used by shooter, though red dot optic shown in image of the rifle.
• Gray suit man on roof video/communications with Sen. Johnson office simply not accurate.

I think that's most of it. Some 'conspiracy theory.'

Okay, what the hell?

Is it normal for people to have massive growth spurts at the age of 81? pic.twitter.com/4wEYeFkcaz

— Gain of Fauci (@DschlopesIsBack) July 26, 2024

I could see Biden getting strapped into a girdle forcing him to stand up taller maybe.

Reduce his slouching