*****Official Conspiracy Theory Thread*****

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Funny talk:


(They discuss the cell phone data revealing visits multiple times from person who went back to the FBI repeatedly).



GAB CEO: Crooks was unequivocally pro-Biden. So why did the USSS lie about that?



Why lie about…all of this?
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aggiehawg said:

Wait, what? Did the CIA actually say that?



When is the last time the CIA denied anything?
I've seen a little hypnosis. clinical which doesn't involve a lot of movement, and stage hypnosis. If you've ever seen staged hypno you'll know what I mean. The subject oblivious to all the laughter and noise of the audience. Crooks really did act like he was under. just doing the assigned task.
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Have you read Chaos by Tom O'Neill?

It touches on Jolly West and others that the CIA had working on MK stuff. No proof on what they might have achieved but an interesting and related read.
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Madman said:

Have you read Chaos by Tom O'Neill?

It touches on Jolly West and others that the CIA had working on MK stuff. No proof on what they might have achieved but an interesting and related read.
Not that book, but I understand the subject. I know a lot of very smart people have dedicated their lives to that branch of study, using human subjects, for decades.
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From day 1 it seemed like he had handler using forms of MK Ultra through the likely use of SSRIs to access his brain. Training sessions at a known fed shooting range. His house gets scrubbed. Random bike, bags, ladder, etc. And the D team was on site for Trump's security. And a Trump rally broadcast on national news for the first time ever. Then the sitting President decides not to run for re-election. Lot of coincidences.
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Excellent drone footage by SpaGuy of the Butler location and his commentary.

I posted it here to avoid getting it taken down in the fact thread

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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Excellent analysis by Jeff Ostroff of possible scenarios

Again posted here to avoid being taken down on the fact thread. But this guy's theory is not far fetched










People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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No one has been fired or even relieved of duty for the Butler assassination attempt because…obviously they are not really upset Trump got shot in the head.

Just so we've got this here.



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Dan Bongino show today is must watch imho. Was there even a counter intelligence team there? Were the few post standers (4?) the guys on the edge of the stage looking for possible threats in dark sunglasses somehow unable to notice Crooks running on the roof 5 minutes before the shooting?
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This guy seems to be winning the Crazy Conspiracy Theorists competition.


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I disagree with Cullen's analyses for the most part. I am listening to an eyewitness who was about 5 degrees to the left of Crooks line of fire, saw muzzle flashes fom Crooks' position on the roof. He also saw all of the windows in the buldings below Crook's rooftop position were closed.
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aggiehawg said:

I disagree with Cullen's analyses for the most part. I am listening to an eyewitness who was about 5 degrees to the left of Crooks line of fire, saw muzzle flashes fom Crooks' position on the roof. He also saw all of the windows in the buldings below Crook's rooftop position were closed.
Re: Cullen, when I say "winning" I don't mean to say he is making the best arguments. He is simply making the craziest arguments!
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Yeah I'm not a real big fan of his either. His whole patreon etc model seems silly to me.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

From day 1 it seemed like he had handler using forms of MK Ultra through the likely use of SSRIs to access his brain.


You lost me here.
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Gig em G said:

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

From day 1 it seemed like he had handler using forms of MK Ultra through the likely use of SSRIs to access his brain.


You lost me here.
Lets start with the fact that CIA has been using MK Ultra for decades. How does that pertain to this? Nearly all mass shooters (non cartel/drug) in the 21st century have been on SSRIs. Some of these shooters were on fed watch lists, on crazy message boards, acquired expensive equipment, etc. The theory is the feds have discovered that people on these SSRIs are more easily controllable. There are other factors other than just the medication. Anyway, feds target these individuals to carry out incidents for a variety of reasons. But there is always a constant, SSRIs (and being a fed watchlist).
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Just an Ag said:

aggiehawg said:

I disagree with Cullen's analyses for the most part. I am listening to an eyewitness who was about 5 degrees to the left of Crooks line of fire, saw muzzle flashes fom Crooks' position on the roof. He also saw all of the windows in the buldings below Crook's rooftop position were closed.
Re: Cullen, when I say "winning" I don't mean to say he is making the best arguments. He is simply making the craziest arguments!
He's probably winning in terms of clickbait though. Making money on his "theories."
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nortex97 said:

Yeah I'm not a real big fan of his either. His whole patreon etc model seems silly to me.
yeah in retrospect he's muddying the water, making $. when i look at his body of work on this event.
I touted him to some degree.


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Here is what Ron Johnson released this week. Includes messages from various agencies that were in Butler that day.

LINK
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Gig em G said:

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

From day 1 it seemed like he had handler using forms of MK Ultra through the likely use of SSRIs to access his brain.


You lost me here.
Lets start with the fact that CIA has been using MK Ultra for decades. How does that pertain to this? Nearly all mass shooters (non cartel/drug) in the 21st century have been on SSRIs. Some of these shooters were on fed watch lists, on crazy message boards, acquired expensive equipment, etc. The theory is the feds have discovered that people on these SSRIs are more easily controllable. There are other factors other than just the medication. Anyway, feds target these individuals to carry out incidents for a variety of reasons. But there is always a constant, SSRIs (and being a fed watchlist).


MKUltra predates SSRIs. From what I understand the CIA was using LSD and hypnosis. SSRIs are commonly prescribed for depression, something most mass shooters have in common.

I'm not arguing about the possibility that this kid was potentially MKUltra'ed by the way. I just think the SSRI part is a stretch that doesn't necessarily need to be made.
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Gig em G said:

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Gig em G said:

VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

From day 1 it seemed like he had handler using forms of MK Ultra through the likely use of SSRIs to access his brain.


You lost me here.
Lets start with the fact that CIA has been using MK Ultra for decades. How does that pertain to this? Nearly all mass shooters (non cartel/drug) in the 21st century have been on SSRIs. Some of these shooters were on fed watch lists, on crazy message boards, acquired expensive equipment, etc. The theory is the feds have discovered that people on these SSRIs are more easily controllable. There are other factors other than just the medication. Anyway, feds target these individuals to carry out incidents for a variety of reasons. But there is always a constant, SSRIs (and being a fed watchlist).


MKUltra predates SSRIs. From what I understand the CIA was using LSD and hypnosis. SSRIs are commonly prescribed for depression, something most mass shooters have in common.

I'm not arguing about the possibility that this kid was potentially MKUltra'ed by the way. I just think the SSRI part is a stretch that doesn't necessarily need to be made.

Totally however, in today's world what if the handler didnt have to worry about getting acid and administering it? Instead through the techniques and hypnosis the SSRI becomes the gateway or access point instead of acid? Just a thought. The shooter is taking the SSRI willingly every day, giving someone acid takes effort and giving them it regularly is going to be noticeable to others plus the half life of strange behavior is several hours.
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SSRI is a great inhibitor of fear/rational thoughts about a plan. It sounds 'kooky' but the CIA knows what they are doing with that stuff.

Taken from elsewhere;



Tony Shaffer is not some random clown. Again, the lack of briefings, lies (obvious ones, such as "Crooks" social media accounts, or the slanted roof, or that no one denied security requests/they weren't made by Trump team), ballistics data from the rifle, toxicology reports, missing persons for others (and Arizona license plate?), as well as clear lack of security response for 5 to 20 minutes of "Crooks" on the roof is damning (and btw, the path he had to run mean he was clearly visible from the windows, to say nothing of the post standers on stage even, or counter sniper teams.). Or how he stashed the weapon on site and it was not discovered by the site team. Or that its folding stock is sited as an excuse by the FBI director for its clever concealment. Or the absence of aerial surveillance that day (but for the shooter). Or the absence of recorded radio communications. Or the lack of firings/allowing the SAIC to remain on protective duty.

None. Of. This. Adds. Up.
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Or the absence of aerial surveillance that day (but for the shooter). Or the absence of recorded radio communications. Or the lack of firings/allowing the SAIC to remain on protective duty.


None. Of. This. Adds. Up.
On duty is puzzling but I now know why she (and yes SAIC was a woman) has not been fired. She fought to get a counter sniper team approved, late in the process she finally received approval on Thursday night before the Saturday rally. The teams arrived late Friday afternoon. Those sniper teams were not a part of the original advance team, were not in on any of the planning, scouting the site, choosing where they wanted to be located and fully cognizant of which positions were covered by which friendly state LEO.
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Professional shooters don't miss.

So if you of the opinion that there was a second shooter, then you also got to leave open the possibility that everything went as planned.
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And whomever fired the ear shot didn't miss…it was spot on…
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Check out this thread:







I don't know anyone who thinks "Crooks" was a pro. He was a patsy, set up for a 'gimme' shot.
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And if we made it this far.

Then the only reason you do that is to send a message.
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Somebody knows what the hell happened here and it's not us.

Americans were meant to consume the event., and we did.

They'll never be a definitive consensus on what happened here. We'll be talking about this until the end of time.
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nortex97 said:

SSRI is a great inhibitor of fear/rational thoughts about a plan. It sounds 'kooky' but the CIA knows what they are doing with that stuff.

Taken from elsewhere;



Tony Shaffer is not some random clown. Again, the lack of briefings, lies (obvious ones, such as "Crooks" social media accounts, or the slanted roof, or that no one denied security requests/they weren't made by Trump team), ballistics data from the rifle, toxicology reports, missing persons for others (and Arizona license plate?), as well as clear lack of security response for 5 to 20 minutes of "Crooks" on the roof is damning (and btw, the path he had to run mean he was clearly visible from the windows, to say nothing of the post standers on stage even, or counter sniper teams.). Or how he stashed the weapon on site and it was not discovered by the site team. Or that its folding stock is sited as an excuse by the FBI director for its clever concealment. Or the absence of aerial surveillance that day (but for the shooter). Or the absence of recorded radio communications. Or the lack of firings/allowing the SAIC to remain on protective duty.

None. Of. This. Adds. Up.
Of course not, and neither USSS nor F_I have cleared up the haze. Neither have they told the General Public, Congress or MSM any info called "facts".

And no one has been suspended, punished or fired, even though two different USSS directors have sat before Congress...worse, Wray cast doubt on a bullet hitting Trump, and then allowing and Assistant Director to firmly State it was a bullet.

We are left with several different threads of time, several different bits of info research, potentially multiple shooters, and Crooks owned a Van, a car, a bicycle, bombs...and a rifle borrowed from/purchased by his Dad.

Remember the old saying, "...bend, fold, staple or mutilate..."? Well, those are the legally defined terms used by Alphabet agencies to explain information processing before it is released to us...

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Madman said:

Have you read Chaos by Tom O'Neill?

It touches on Jolly West and others that the CIA had working on MK stuff. No proof on what they might have achieved but an interesting and related read.
madman, I've only watched about 2 minutes so far, will get back to it when I can't sleep, but Rogan just had a guy on who really gets into this stuff I think.
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Yeah Rogan has this guy on that researched Nazi experiments with psychedelics on humans.

German guy that goes to the US national archives and sifts through documents from camps seized by the US after the war.

Guy writes a book about it and oges on Rogan #2183
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NEW: from Sen. Josh Hawley sent a letter to Acting Secret Service Director RONALD ROWE after new whistleblower claims point to HIS actions as a reason for the agency's failures to protect former President Donald Trump.

"Since your testimony before the Senate of July 30, new and disturbing information has come to light about Secret Service planning for the Butler, Pennsylvania Trump campaign eventand your own involvement," wrote Senator Hawley.

"The whistleblower further alleges that you personally directed significant cuts to CSD, up to and including reducing the division's manpower by twenty percent," Senator Hawley continued. "The whistleblower also alleges retaliation against those within the Secret Service who expressed concern about the security at President Trump's events."

Senator Hawley's letter follows his heated exchange with Rowe this past Tuesday, when the Acting Director confirmed that the Secret Service did, in fact, refuse drones from local law enforcementa detail brought to light by a whistleblower in contact with Senator Hawley's office.

Acting Director Rowe also acknowledged other whistleblower allegations brought to Senator Hawley's office that claimed agents abandoned their post on the roof where Trump's attempted-assassin shot from due to the heat.


Rowe playing any part in the internal investigation at the USSS is absurd on its face. Note, there are actually at least 6 investigations ongoing regarding Butler, including but not limited to the USSS, FBI, House Oversight, and various others such as DHS IG.



More: Cunningham interview (former SS agent):
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Larry Cunningham, a retired Secret Service agent who ran more than 200 protective details and played a key role in creating Secret Service training protocols, agreed to do another interview to catch up on the latest developments since our last chat. Here is the bottom-line the failure of the Secret Service to prevent the assassination attempt of Donald Trump on 13 July in Butler, Pennsylvania was so profound that it raises questions about the intent of Secret Service leadership. Did they create a situation that would permit such an attempt? Here is our discussion.


"A disparate allocation of assets and resources…"
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Just random names, as with the surprise appearance of CNN to live stream it that day.
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nortex97 said:

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NEW: from Sen. Josh Hawley sent a letter to Acting Secret Service Director RONALD ROWE after new whistleblower claims point to HIS actions as a reason for the agency's failures to protect former President Donald Trump.

"Since your testimony before the Senate of July 30, new and disturbing information has come to light about Secret Service planning for the Butler, Pennsylvania Trump campaign eventand your own involvement," wrote Senator Hawley.

"The whistleblower further alleges that you personally directed significant cuts to CSD, up to and including reducing the division's manpower by twenty percent," Senator Hawley continued. "The whistleblower also alleges retaliation against those within the Secret Service who expressed concern about the security at President Trump's events."

Senator Hawley's letter follows his heated exchange with Rowe this past Tuesday, when the Acting Director confirmed that the Secret Service did, in fact, refuse drones from local law enforcementa detail brought to light by a whistleblower in contact with Senator Hawley's office.

Acting Director Rowe also acknowledged other whistleblower allegations brought to Senator Hawley's office that claimed agents abandoned their post on the roof where Trump's attempted-assassin shot from due to the heat.


Rowe playing any part in the internal investigation at the USSS is absurd on its face. Note, there are actually at least 6 investigations ongoing regarding Butler, including but not limited to the USSS, FBI, House Oversight, and various others such as DHS IG.



More: Cunningham interview (former SS agent):
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Larry Cunningham, a retired Secret Service agent who ran more than 200 protective details and played a key role in creating Secret Service training protocols, agreed to do another interview to catch up on the latest developments since our last chat. Here is the bottom-line the failure of the Secret Service to prevent the assassination attempt of Donald Trump on 13 July in Butler, Pennsylvania was so profound that it raises questions about the intent of Secret Service leadership. Did they create a situation that would permit such an attempt? Here is our discussion.


"A disparate allocation of assets and resources…"
So, let me get this straight...

Here we are, almost 3 weeks after the event, and now we find out the threat assessment team was never there? And yet, there has been public discussion about how they overlooked the threat from a roof 140 yds away during that initial assessment...not to mention the communications plan between Fed, State and local LEO's was not confirmed and working?

And we still believe there was only one 20-yr-old expert marksman, who couldn't get on his HS marksmanship team (2 yrs before), who was able to learn in a week to build bombs that were found in a Van, then found in his car, and his parents are not publicly mourning his loss, nor is the media in the least bit curious about interviewing his parents? And the media still insists on showing a photo of Crooks from several years ago, like from HS.

Again, this is not a boating accident, and Fed Alphabet orgs have not released one shred of unshaded truth, other than there were screwups.

So, who do we believe, our lying eyes, or the pile of coincidences over there?

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