*****Official Conspiracy Theory Thread*****

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Wow.

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Scrubbed?



Is Mayorkas actually going to release the J6 report now that Cheatle fell on her sword of shame?



These guys make some sense:

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techno-ag said:



Now that is very interesting.

The first place my thoughts go is that illegal drugs were in the house and the parents scrambled to erase the evidence.

Just a thought.

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Drugs? Some, sure (Again my bet would be on prescription drugs/SSRI's etc, or if he was in fact 'transitioning' then those hormones they pump folks full of to believe they were mis-assigned their gender by God), but that's not the evidence the FBI wanted to erase.



These wacko's were probably aware of their progeny's rantings etc., and his communications are the real threat to disclosure. The communications with handlers/FBI folks.

These were supposed to be 'therapists?' One morbidly obese and the other a mask wearer in 2024? LOL, not folks I'd ever want someone to take advice from.
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Maybe mom is also transitioning?


If that is the mom.
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all I know is that for months I have been saying the deep state isn't gonna let him be President again...so I'm not particularly surprised he got shot. not sure why anyone else would be either.
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sam callahan said:

all I know is that for months I have been saying the deep state isn't gonna let him be President again...so I'm not particularly surprised he got shot. not sure why anyone else would be either.
I just can't see how he'd be the deep state marksman of choice. If fully orchestrated; they'd want someone far more reliable than a 20yo loser with some range time.
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That's why they gave him such an easy shot. Remember, the feds used that range a lot which he was a member of. 'They' very likely had high confidence he could/would make the shot, and but for his stupid decision to go for a Hollywood style head shot, he did.
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Madman said:

Maybe mom is also transitioning?


If that is the mom.
There are reports that the mom is disabled, so that woman is almost certainly not her.
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I am still hung up on the lack of blood, brain matter and bone fragments from a head shot, at that distance with that powerful of a counter attack sniper rifle.

From that body cam from the roof where are standing to the side and behind the body (with the foot and skinny white leg visible) they would be standing where there should be blood and other matter, in my view.
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nortex97 said:

That's why they gave him such an easy shot. Remember, the feds used that range a lot which he was a member of. 'They' very likely had high confidence he could/would make the shot, and but for his stupid decision to go for a Hollywood style head shot, he did.

I'm not sure I would put a lot of stock in the range being shared by LEOs. Ranges are few and far between. We only have one indoor range in BCS for example. This may be the only one around for miles.
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aggiehawg said:

I am still hung up on the lack of blood, brain matter and bone fragments from a head shot, at that distance with that powerful of a counter attack sniper rifle.

From that body cam from the roof where are standing to the side and behind the body (with the foot and skinny white leg visible) they would be standing where there should be blood and other matter, in my view.


The leaked photo and the body cam show a river of blood down the roof. Given the round the USSS uses and closeness of shot, there likely wasn't a ton of expansion inside that little punk's head.
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nortex97 said:

That's why they gave him such an easy shot. Remember, the feds used that range a lot which he was a member of. 'They' very likely had high confidence he could/would make the shot, and but for his stupid decision to go for a Hollywood style head shot, he did.
Oswald vs Hinckley. A great shot makes the difference in a clutch moment.

I'm not saying this doesn't stink - just that it doesn't seem FULLY orchestrated. It does look like he had some degree of insider help - whether directly or indirectly. I just don't see what I'd expect of a top-to-bottom operational conspiracy, here.
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Madman said:

techno-ag said:



Now that is very interesting.

The first place my thoughts go is that illegal drugs were in the house and the parents scrambled to erase the evidence.

Just a thought.


What they scrubbed was trying to make sure there was no physical evidence of all the times a fed met with him at his house and likely gave the kid objects whether it be ammo or trinkets to keep him engaged. The fed could have even shared a meal over there with his parents under the guise of being a professor or something, hence the removal of silverware.
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It dripped down the slope (to the extent after all that they had to hose it down later). I don't think that's real dispositive, from the angle he was shot at it could have gone through much of his body (think head to toe, whatever that medical term is). It could have also just entered at the shoulder/neck, didn't need to be a "JFK" style brain blast. Anything akin to a 308 at that range that gets to the torso is…fatal, even though a pro of course could make such a head shot. I'd defer to big game hunters as to what they say, though.

They surely tossed his rifle to the side a few feet when they finally reached the body.

You may be right, techno-ag about the correlation to LEO at the Clairton gun club (20 miles from his house), but I had read it was used be federal LEO, not corroborated/detailed to my recollection. Again, the FBI/fed LEO connections to his timeline/phone and DC just 'don't sound right' to me.
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FTAG 2000 said:

aggiehawg said:

I am still hung up on the lack of blood, brain matter and bone fragments from a head shot, at that distance with that powerful of a counter attack sniper rifle.

From that body cam from the roof where are standing to the side and behind the body (with the foot and skinny white leg visible) they would be standing where there should be blood and other matter, in my view.


The leaked photo and the body cam show a river of blood down the roof. Given the round the USSS uses and closeness of shot, there likely wasn't a ton of expansion inside that little punk's head.
Can you expand on that? The bullet did not fragment? Nor was there enough percussive force to blow the skull out? The position of the foot suggests his right foot. If the entrance wound was behind the left eye with exit being right side back of the head the blood and other matter would not follow that trajectory?

(Not for nothing did I watch every episode of Dexter, LOL. That's a joke, BTW.)

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The flip side to that argument is that his amateurish appearance/background/no social media/age/military experience is precisely what makes the deniability plausible (Basically, they don't want to hire another LHO profile former marine for the same basic mission). Again, real different conversations/skepticism imho if…he hadn't missed.
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60% of americans could make that shot from such a short distance-

they would have chosen one of them.
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For the US population as is we're probably talking less than 10%. Worse than 4 MOA accuracy and a zero magnification red dot on a 6"x8" target? Sure - any competent hunter should be ringing steel, but everyone who doesn't know rifle basics is missing that.
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nortex97 said:

The flip side to that argument is that his amateurish appearance/background/no social media/age/military experience is precisely what makes the deniability plausible (Basically, they don't want to hire another LHO profile former marine for the same basic mission). Again, real different conversations/skepticism imho if…he hadn't missed.
Agreed. It looks better for it to be a "loner," but they could've sold it nearly as easily with the right former infantryman.

I'm just saying I don't see the grand scheme conspiracy using THIS guy.
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Iranians theory again:

Trump will fix it.
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At this point and what we know so far I'm truly in the camp that this was a planned attack on trump, Biden would win the race after GOP nominated Haley. Since he didn't die, Ds forced Biden out to bring in Kamala which is more viable candidate than Joe
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with Wray, he got a lot of questions about ladders, from Massie, and I'm still not sure what's going on there.
The only pic from the site with a ladder that I've seen

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Since this is the official thread where we are allowed to be skeptical I'll post this from another one:



Greenfield:
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The Trump assassination attempt did what previous larger scale outbursts of leftist violence, like the congressional baseball game shooting, the campaign against the justices and BLM race riots could not because the man at the center of it had become the symbol of the unwoke. The seconds of the assassination showed what the right side of history really looks like up close.

The Left fears that moment because it understands the power of symbolism. It cannot bend economies to its will, command the ocean tide or change the human heart, but it understands how to tell a story because telling stories is what it does. The right side of history is a story that killed millions. The Trump assassination is the story of the right side of history. And its ugliness.

The Trump assassination, like the terrors of the French and Russian revolution, and Mao and Pol Pot in China and Cambodia, show what happens when the Left actually gets what it wants.

In Butler, PA, liberals briefly tasted what they had wanted all along. Some were shocked while others gloried in it. And that is not only the story of the Trump assassination, but of the Left. It's the story of two centuries of mass murder, torture, fear, terror and the destruction of everything.

The right side of history doesn't unite us, it doesn't offer hope and its only outcome is death.
What we learned yesterday:



That he used google as a search engine surprised me.
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He just taught himself how to make explosives and get/use a remote detonator in a week. No big deal. Oh and stole his dad's AR and stashed it on site a week out and the SS team just missed that. And flew the recon drone not the morning of but around 3:15 the afternoon of the rally and the SS team didn't react to that either.

2020: Fednapping and Fauci Flu
2021: Fedsurrection
2023-24: Fedlawfare
2024: Fedassassination

DHS role in domestic politics:

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You see this with DHS and the scandals around the Secret Service. We have so many unanswered questions about the role of the Secret Service in the January 6th pipe bomber story. It took a year for the Justice Department to correct misinformation about Vice President Kamala Harris's location during the event. They eventually admitted that she was near the DNC pipe bomb. She was hand-delivered to the site where the Secret Service was supposed to stop any threats. And we're told the pipe bomb was sitting at the park bench at the entrance to the building. You could walk by, as I did, and have coffee. It was supposed to have sat there for 17 hours... until 1 pm the following day.

And then you have the fact that the FBI has a tape of the pipe bomber taking the pipe bomb out of the bag but has not disclosed it fully. They had a stationary camera focused on the park bench where the bomber placed the device, but they cut the footage before he took it out of the bag. There are many inconsistencies, such as the FBI claiming the bomber's cell phone data was corrupted, the only case of corrupted data among 1,500 January 6th indictments.

It seems like the FBI kills the evidence, the Secret Service looks the other way, and that's how we end up with these significant attacks on democracy.
Again, the J6 pipe bomber apparently used pipe bombs identical to training materiel in Quantico. It would be quite interesting indeed if Crooks had planned/hoped to detonate a similar device (obviously not with the rotary timers):

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How many TOTAL rounds were discharged by ALL parties that day?

Listening to the two short volleys, I count 7-8, it think…then we have the single shot at the end that allegedly eliminated the roof goob…

How many shots at Trump's head? 1? 2?
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I think (based on Wray anyway) it was the 8 from Crooks and 1 from counter sniper fire. One at Trump obviously, others presumably around him and then he was aiming for the crowd.

Bongino brought up yesterday the shot was thru tree concealment, which I didn't think was true but he would know better than I.

Amazing that the USSS now, after that disastrous performance, as told Trump he needs to have indoor rallies because they can't protect him outside. That's a problem, both as a restriction on crowd sizes and also because…well this didn't have to happen with competent planning/communication/performance/staffing (such as 12 post standers for Dr. Jill and 4 for DJT). But he thinks the new USSS director might somehow be worse than Cheatle, so maybe staying indoors is a true life saving decision Trump should stick with.
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So that's at least 10 rounds…
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I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.
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nortex97 said:



He just taught himself how to make explosives and get/use a remote detonator in a week. No big deal. Oh and stole his dad's AR and stashed it on site a week out and the SS team just missed that. And flew the recon drone not the morning of but around 3:15 the afternoon of the rally and the SS team didn't react to that either.

2020: Fednapping and Fauci Flu
2021: Fedsurrection
2023-24: Fedlawfare
2024: Fedassassination

DHS role in domestic politics:

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You see this with DHS and the scandals around the Secret Service. We have so many unanswered questions about the role of the Secret Service in the January 6th pipe bomber story. It took a year for the Justice Department to correct misinformation about Vice President Kamala Harris's location during the event. They eventually admitted that she was near the DNC pipe bomb. She was hand-delivered to the site where the Secret Service was supposed to stop any threats. And we're told the pipe bomb was sitting at the park bench at the entrance to the building. You could walk by, as I did, and have coffee. It was supposed to have sat there for 17 hours... until 1 pm the following day.

And then you have the fact that the FBI has a tape of the pipe bomber taking the pipe bomb out of the bag but has not disclosed it fully. They had a stationary camera focused on the park bench where the bomber placed the device, but they cut the footage before he took it out of the bag. There are many inconsistencies, such as the FBI claiming the bomber's cell phone data was corrupted, the only case of corrupted data among 1,500 January 6th indictments.

It seems like the FBI kills the evidence, the Secret Service looks the other way, and that's how we end up with these significant attacks on democracy.
Again, the J6 pipe bomber apparently used pipe bombs identical to training materiel in Quantico. It would be quite interesting indeed if Crooks had planned/hoped to detonate a similar device (obviously not with the rotary timers):


And the lest we forget...Wray also revealed the rifle the shooter used had a folding stock, and easier to conceal.

"You are being watched..."
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Madman said:

I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.
There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Madman said:

I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.
There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.

I know this, no one appeared to secure the area from additional attacks…they operated like it was one perp from the moment he was neutralized…
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From before he was neutralized/killed.

From the video recording on the roof afterward with the police, there is reference to a "Greg" who was inside looking at Crooks as he set up to assassinate Trump and took pictures of the set up in progress. For purposes of this thread especially, why was "Greg" taking pictures of him but no action was taken by himself or those with him (or the stage team), other than the local traffic police working in tandem to have one stick his head over the roofline and rush Crooks?

This line of questioning isn't something that takes 60 days to 6 months to figure out (nor would putting out publicly what the chronology of events were in an official capacity), if there were an intent to clarify what happened to the public. That this is not being clarified…is what makes me think the FBI is yet again serving their role of 'cleaner' (a la Pulp Fiction) vs. investigators.
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SeMgCo87 said:

nortex97 said:



He just taught himself how to make explosives and get/use a remote detonator in a week. No big deal. Oh and stole his dad's AR and stashed it on site a week out and the SS team just missed that. And flew the recon drone not the morning of but around 3:15 the afternoon of the rally and the SS team didn't react to that either.

2020: Fednapping and Fauci Flu
2021: Fedsurrection
2023-24: Fedlawfare
2024: Fedassassination

DHS role in domestic politics:

Quote:

You see this with DHS and the scandals around the Secret Service. We have so many unanswered questions about the role of the Secret Service in the January 6th pipe bomber story. It took a year for the Justice Department to correct misinformation about Vice President Kamala Harris's location during the event. They eventually admitted that she was near the DNC pipe bomb. She was hand-delivered to the site where the Secret Service was supposed to stop any threats. And we're told the pipe bomb was sitting at the park bench at the entrance to the building. You could walk by, as I did, and have coffee. It was supposed to have sat there for 17 hours... until 1 pm the following day.

And then you have the fact that the FBI has a tape of the pipe bomber taking the pipe bomb out of the bag but has not disclosed it fully. They had a stationary camera focused on the park bench where the bomber placed the device, but they cut the footage before he took it out of the bag. There are many inconsistencies, such as the FBI claiming the bomber's cell phone data was corrupted, the only case of corrupted data among 1,500 January 6th indictments.

It seems like the FBI kills the evidence, the Secret Service looks the other way, and that's how we end up with these significant attacks on democracy.
Again, the J6 pipe bomber apparently used pipe bombs identical to training materiel in Quantico. It would be quite interesting indeed if Crooks had planned/hoped to detonate a similar device (obviously not with the rotary timers):


And the lest we forget...Wray also revealed the rifle the shooter used had a folding stock, and easier to conceal.

Folding or collapsing? Strange for a cheap DMS to have folding. I don't think the difference is that much of a thing to focus on considering it looks like he hid it somewhere on the grounds prior. It would be a bigger difference if he was concealing it in a backpack or bag he was carrying.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Madman said:

I think he and his family lived in a 1000 square foot house if I recall correctly.

Not a lot of space to build bombs with two other people hovering around and not be discovered.

I know as a teen I could do a lot of things around my mom and not haver her realize what I was doing but not dad.

Just a thought.
There is a reason that they took so long to unlock his phone which was because they needed to scrub it clean from all the comms with feds. And there is a reason they scrubbed his house because someone was over there helping him. Notice how immediately following the shooter the narrative was he was alone and had no help.

Do you think it would be smart to have him make everything? Or would it be more likely they made it for him and delivered it for his attempt?

 
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