Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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In reply to bobbranco • 12:19p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
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Her back was to the shooter. Between the shooter and the former President. She was providing a shield.

Who's lost?
Then tell her to stand up like the men were doing. You know, do the job. Are you looking at the correct photo?
Looking at the photo in the post before yours. She's shielding. The bullet would strike her first. then pass through one or two other men on top of Trump.

Prove me wrong.
Ok I'll prove you wrong. If she was shielding, why not stand up to increase the chances of blocking a bullet? Why did she crouch down if she was trying to stop a bullet.

Nothing against the gal, not her fault. She wasn't qualified for this role, most people would not be qualified for this detail. I'm too short, never should have been considered for this role, if I applied. In addition, she's clearly unqualified as she's not in decent shape. What if several agents were hit and one or 2 had to carry the president to a car. She clearly would not be able to perform...again...not her fault.

The point here isn't bagging on the girl but rather an indictment of the powers of secret service that selected some of these people for these roles.

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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:22p, 8/2/24
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Shooter was left and forward a bit of the stage. As you can see from the podium, Trump is behind it and she's on the opposite side of the podium relative to him. Shooter is behind us in that photo.


And here is the rail in that photo, left of stage. The rail is basically between him in the shooter. She is behind Trump from the main audience, and to Trump's left relative to the shooter


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In reply to bobbranco • 12:23p, 8/2/24
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Wrong. Lost you are.
Good grief I hate arguing about **** like this.



This photo is right before she arrives. See the podium? Which direction did the shots come from? The SS agent is looking at where the shots are coming from if you need a clue.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:24p, 8/2/24
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Shooter was left and forward a bit of the stage. As you can see from the podium, Trump is behind it and she's on the opposite side of the podium relative to him. Shooter is behind us in that photo.
How? The huge graph Trump was looking at and pointing towards was northeast of the stage/podium. The shooter was on a slightly more northerly line. I don't have a photo of the actual layout but the huge graph was on a screen at the back of the northern most set of bleachers.





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In reply to bobbranco • 12:26p, 8/2/24
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There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


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12:27p, 8/2/24
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You can also see the boom in the background of that last shot which spewed hydraulic fluid from bullet that wizzed past him
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In reply to Texmid • 12:28p, 8/2/24
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Yes. He's looking north. Where is she? North of Trump. Shielding Trump.

Heck Trump said she shielded him and thanked her.
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In reply to bobbranco • 12:28p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
Shooter was left and forward a bit of the stage. As you can see from the podium, Trump is behind it and she's on the opposite side of the podium relative to him. Shooter is behind us in that photo.
How? The huge graph Trump was looking at and pointing towards was northeast of the stage/podium. The shooter was on a slightly more northerly line. I don't have a photo of the actual layout but the huge graph was on a screen at the back of the northern most set of bleachers.





Dude, give it up. You are wrong. it happens.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:30p, 8/2/24
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DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.
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In reply to DOG XO 84 • 12:31p, 8/2/24
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DOG XO 84 said:
bobbranco said:
DOG XO 84 said:
bobbranco said:
Her back was to the shooter. Between the shooter and the former President. She was providing a shield.

Who's lost?
Then tell her to stand up like the men were doing. You know, do the job. Are you looking at the correct photo?
Looking at the photo in the post before yours. She's shielding. The bullet would strike her first. then pass through one or two other men on top of Trump.

Prove me wrong.
Ok I'll prove you wrong. If she was shielding, why not stand up to increase the chances of blocking a bullet? Why did she crouch down if she was trying to stop a bullet.

Nothing against the gal, not her fault. She wasn't qualified for this role, most people would not be qualified for this detail. I'm too short, never should have been considered for this role, if I applied. In addition, she's clearly unqualified as she's not in decent shape. What if several agents were hit and one or 2 had to carry the president to a car. She clearly would not be able to perform...again...not her fault.

The point here isn't bagging on the girl but rather an indictment of the powers of secret service that selected some of these people for these roles.



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In reply to bobbranco • 12:31p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
bobbranco said:
Her back was to the shooter. Between the shooter and the former President. She was providing a shield.

Who's lost?


The shooter is behind the person taking the photo.
Think about it. Focus on your spatial awareness.
For the shooter to be behind her, the picture would have to be from in front of the stage. That picture is not from in front of the stage. Her back is to the 3 barns behind the stage. The railing is from the stairs on that side and you can see the video board on the other side. That picture is looking across the stage from left to right. That puts the shooter roughly behind the photographer.

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In reply to bobbranco • 12:35p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


I'm using basic photos to show you where she is relative to him that a monkey could follow. If you want to show where she went next, feel free. But in that shot, directly back to front stage-wise, it's her then Trump then podium then main crowd, with the shooter behind the photographer. She's left of Trump from the shooter's line of sight. Period.
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In reply to bobbranco • 12:37p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


Where is she? Hint: That is not her next to Trump.



There she is, not within an arms length of Trump.
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12:38p, 8/2/24
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She's also on the opposite side of Trump vs where she seems to think the threat is (the audience straight ahead)
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In reply to Texmid • 12:39p, 8/2/24
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Texmid said:
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


Where is she? Hint: That is not her next to Trump.



There she is, not within an arms length of Trump.


Right. A different woman nutted up to protect him. Supposed AIC is still several feet away, behind Trump relative to the main audience, and also still left of the shooter's line of sight.
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In reply to Texmid • 12:41p, 8/2/24
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Texmid said:
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


Where is she? Hint: That is not her next to Trump.



There she is, not within an arms length of Trump.

What direction did they leave the stage? Towards the North or towards the South?

Let me help you.
The first photo of the group leaving the stage is looking East.
The second photo of that group is looking North.
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12:42p, 8/2/24
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Which goes back to my first question, is the operational directive for her to stay back there behind the VIP? Because that's where she is when they took him down and that's where she is when they take him off
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In reply to bobbranco • 12:44p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
Yes. He's looking north. Where is she? North of Trump. Shielding Trump.

Heck Trump said she shielded him and thanked her.
To be shielding Trump from the shooter, she would need to be near the red circle. She isn't in the red circle because she is behind the podium, between Trump and the 3 barns behind him. He was thanking the other agent.


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In reply to bobbranco • 12:44p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
Texmid said:
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


Where is she? Hint: That is not her next to Trump.



There she is, not within an arms length of Trump.

What direction did they leave the stage? Towards the North or towards the South?
What difference does that make to this argument? Without constructing a time machine and taking you there to actually witness what happened, I have no clue how to show you that you are just plain wrong in this instance.

But, to play along with you, they left the stage to the South.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:44p, 8/2/24
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DannyDuberstein said:
Which goes back to my first question, is the operational directive for her to stay back there behind the VIP? Because that's where she is when they took him down and that's where she is when they take him off

She's east of Trump in the second photo of the group leaving the stage. Probably trying to getting around the group to hurry to the awaiting Suburban.
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In reply to bobbranco • 12:45p, 8/2/24
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She's east of him the entire time, opposite of the main audience
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12:47p, 8/2/24
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You are all making the error of assuming that she is supposed to be one of the "body men" whose job it is to put their bodies between Trump and any perceived threat. If she was indeed the SAC, that would not have been her designated role on the detail. I am not making an argument for or against her competence, just pointing out that endlessly arguing over where she was positioned is irrelevant if it was not her designated job to put her body between the shooter and Trump.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:48p, 8/2/24
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DannyDuberstein said:
She's east of him the entire time, opposite of the main audience
In the video when they all stand up she is to the north. How does that happen? Shape shifting?
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In reply to bobbranco • 12:52p, 8/2/24
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bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
She's east of him the entire time, opposite of the main audience
In the video when they all stand up she is to the north. How does that happen? Shape shifting?


No one is arguing that she didn't reposition herself at some point to the North of Trump. But, in this picture she is clearly NOT protecting him.
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In reply to txags92 • 12:53p, 8/2/24
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txags92 said:
You are all making the error of assuming that she is supposed to be one of the "body men" whose job it is to put their bodies between Trump and any perceived threat. If she was indeed the SAC, that would not have been her designated role on the detail. I am not making an argument for or against her competence, just pointing out that endlessly arguing over where she was positioned is irrelevant if it was not her designated job to put her body between the shooter and Trump.
The argument is over what she actually did. If she wasn't supposed to be a "body man" that is fine, but we have a poster claiming she was between the shooter and Trump, when she absolutely was not.
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 12:55p, 8/2/24
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Exactly. And I did ask if that is where she is supposed to be (behind him relative to what she thought the threat was)
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In reply to Texmid • 1:04p, 8/2/24
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Texmid said:
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
She's east of him the entire time, opposite of the main audience
In the video when they all stand up she is to the north. How does that happen? Shape shifting?


No one is arguing that she didn't reposition herself at some point to the North of Trump. But, in this picture she is clearly NOT protecting him.
She's up there trying to protect Trump.

And ready to take a bullet.

Now go about your day.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:04p, 8/2/24
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DannyDuberstein said:
Texmid said:
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.


Where is she? Hint: That is not her next to Trump.



There she is, not within an arms length of Trump.


Right. A different woman nutted up to protect him. Supposed AIC is still several feet away, behind Trump relative to the main audience, and also still left of the shooter's line of sight.
This gal did nut up. I will point out that a lack of height again exposed the president to an un-obstructed head shot. Not her fault either. Wrong person for the job.
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1:09p, 8/2/24
This has gotten comical

This photo was taken from directly behind the stage facing west into the glare of the sun, the shots came from the north with a southern trajectory.

Note the backside of the AIC lower than anyone on stage including Trump cowering behind the pig pile on top of Trump

Make of it what you wish


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
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1:12p, 8/2/24


These guys were ready though. Not sure for what but they was ready.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:15p, 8/2/24
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They look ready to communicate with the International Space Station with those headsets. Unfortunately, it sounds like they were unable to communicate with cops at a building 130 yards away
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These guys were ready though. Not sure for what but they was ready.

Guy in black is SS Counter Assault Team (CAT). Guy in camo is state police SWAT (most likely).
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1:20p, 8/2/24
bullets whizzing by that sound like giant mosquitos. she hung in there. She was in over her head. what else is there to say about this episode? She deserves criticism for the planning and a demotion, and the person who gave her the responsibility deserves to be investigated and sacked.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:23p, 8/2/24
Seems like this trend of outfitting everybody like they out of a Marvel movie works to our detriment. Don't need a bunch of people walking around like they an action-movie star. Seems like it breeds contempt. Inflated and false sense of superiority. Dress like mall-ninja is fine for officer presence until at 20 y/o kid knocks you out in shorts and a t-shirt.
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In reply to bobbranco • 1:23p, 8/2/24
bobbranco said:
DannyDuberstein said:
There were 2 screens/graphs. The one in the photo was on the right (if facing the stage), not the one he was looking at

This is the screen in that photo


Then explain how when the pile of agents and Trump stand up she is north of Trump? Remember they left the state towards the south.

Use you cardinal directions and try to understand.
Sorry, but this picture proves you wrong. It's ok. The admirable thing to do is to just admit it...tough for a lot of people. But an honorable and noble trait.

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