Can virtually guarantee that there's gonna be a lot of disappointment in this area. Anything released to the public regarding USSS capabilities and effectiveness will be heavily redacted due to "those details are classified."Quote:
damn well better include an overview of performance related to each protection detail objective and associated core capabilities, contrasted against an original copy of the forward team's assessment plan highlighting strengths and areas of concern
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akaggie05 said:Can virtually guarantee that there's gonna be a lot of disappointment in this area. Anything released to the public regarding USSS capabilities and effectiveness will be heavily redacted due to "those details are classified."Quote:
damn well better include an overview of performance related to each protection detail objective and associated core capabilities, contrasted against an original copy of the forward team's assessment plan highlighting strengths and areas of concern
You're more than likely correct
On gray suit man.
What possible need would imbedded conspirators need of the crime scene? You know the guys that are going to get to see most if not all the evidence as a part of their day jobs.
What possible need would imbedded conspirators need of the crime scene? You know the guys that are going to get to see most if not all the evidence as a part of their day jobs.
That is the crux of it. Incompetence does not cover up for this. Per the sherriffs office, there was ONE tactical channel and all SS and local were on it. They knew about the shooter/problem child/****** several hours prior, but lets just consider the last 10 minutes.Stat Monitor Repairman said:It may have been the case that the USSS people heard a bunch of chatter on the radio and started to react. That may be what we are seeing.ballchain said:Strange that secret service decided to move people from behind the stage right before the shooting. Here’s a different angle.
— Vincent James (@davincentjames) July 14, 2024
pic.twitter.com/FtlwhuLffb
But the question remains ... if there was any kind of chatter then Trump himself should've been the first one to go.
Hard sell that they didn't dick the dog and get this man shot. Hesitated and failed to act when immediate action was required.
Why was Trump still on that stage? They let him on, knowing their was a weird looking androgenous soyboy with that was able to use a drone to surveil the rally grounds.
Why was Trump still on that stage?
Everything else is noise.
Why was Trump still on that stage?
Who told Secret Service to continue with the rally as if nothing was amiss?
Why was Trump still on that stage?
If I took a random CounterStrike 2 lobby, and put them in charge of "defending the VIP" and placed them in the bodies of the secret service that day, there is no ****ing way this ******ed clown even gets to pull the charging handle...
Why was Trump still on that stage?
It almost requires discipline and training to NOT react when these things happen. A complete clown, in full makeup, could have figured out what was about to happen.
Guitarsoup said:Can you give examples of a time when the FBI gave status updates on an investigation to the public when there was no ongoing public threat from the target of the investigation?Stat Monitor Repairman said:Big difference between continuous updates and no updates. Not a single press conference held.Quote:
But it is ridiculous to expect the public to receive continuous updates during an active investigation
The kid is dead, so it wouldn't be analogous updates about the Unibomber, who posed a continual and ongoing threat.
After the Vegas concert shooting they were giving updates daily for two weeks. Of course, that was damage control to cover the fact one of the CIA guys shot up a concert but still, they were out there in front of the cameras giving updates.
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Hey look. Digital noise.
Have you leaned toward your monitor and chanted, "Enhance photo" like in CIS episodes?
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As my BIL who spent years in special ops and now works in military intelligence told me: even an 18 year old grunt two weeks out of basic would not have made that type of critical error.
Even the people that were backed up to the stage, had to have had someone in their ear telling them that the same person they have been hearing about for the last 90 minutes, at least, was leveling a weapon towards Donald Trump.
And they. did. nothing.
Nothing. They waited to hear the shots, and then went in.
That is not incompetence, my friends. That's something else completely.
And they. did. nothing.
Nothing. They waited to hear the shots, and then went in.
That is not incompetence, my friends. That's something else completely.
What has to be kept mind by these congressional investigations. We all got punked before by the DOJ. Remember the FOJ fed Alexander Smirnov and the all heralded 1023 form only to build up the case against Hunter and then the DOJ turns around and indicts Smirnov for 1001 and 1519 violations blowing the Republican investigation out of the water and leaving everyone with s*** on their faces.
This whole story of the grey suit guy smells of this same thing.
Granted that photo is 100% photoshopped, and I get it that the Tweeter Amuse was going for effect but it does no good to actual fact finding and just ends up as white noise with the rest.
I promise you there are congressional investigators paying attention but the politicians in the middle of the election rush are getting dangerously out over their skis again before everything is double verified because the DOJ is a snake pit and they know regardless of what "they" do there will be no accountability. So they toss in some red herrings and outright lies they have nothing to lose, because their goal is to cover their asses and make the Republicans look stupid.
This whole story of the grey suit guy smells of this same thing.
Granted that photo is 100% photoshopped, and I get it that the Tweeter Amuse was going for effect but it does no good to actual fact finding and just ends up as white noise with the rest.
I promise you there are congressional investigators paying attention but the politicians in the middle of the election rush are getting dangerously out over their skis again before everything is double verified because the DOJ is a snake pit and they know regardless of what "they" do there will be no accountability. So they toss in some red herrings and outright lies they have nothing to lose, because their goal is to cover their asses and make the Republicans look stupid.
I don't know what's being played on the legacy MSM outlets, but when I've done a google news search anytime in the last week the Trump assassination stories are like 5 down from the lead. "Joe is in vs Joe is out" has garnered many more times the coverage of the attempted assassination of his political rival. It's like they're hoping to just let the actual shooting, repeat - actual freaking shooting & not just an attempt, of a former POTUS and current presidential election nominee cycle out of the current storylines.
For those of you who want to pretend that this isn't a big deal, THAT'S why we need frequent press conferences! This isn't and shouldn't just go away.
For those of you who want to pretend that this isn't a big deal, THAT'S why we need frequent press conferences! This isn't and shouldn't just go away.
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If there was a guy in a gray suit up there it should be a readily provable fact as you still see random people out there videoing with they phone when all this was going on.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Yep. Been hammering this point for 8-days.
Anybody ever pulled a post in their life on the radio calling it in.
Anybody ever pulled a post in their life on the radio calling it in.
The d'rats deliberately abuse federal power and gave Trump substandard protections compared with Clinton, Obama, Bush etc using the excuse he was convicted in a NY kangaroo court. All of that was an excuse to limit his ability to campaign for office. I'm sure they were also hoping to 'scare' him into limited campaign stops.BadMoonRisin said:That is the crux of it. Incompetence does not cover up for this. Per the sherriffs office, there was ONE tactical channel and all SS and local were on it. They knew about the shooter/problem child/****** several hours prior, but lets just consider the last 10 minutes.Stat Monitor Repairman said:It may have been the case that the USSS people heard a bunch of chatter on the radio and started to react. That may be what we are seeing.ballchain said:Strange that secret service decided to move people from behind the stage right before the shooting. Here’s a different angle.
— Vincent James (@davincentjames) July 14, 2024
pic.twitter.com/FtlwhuLffb
But the question remains ... if there was any kind of chatter then Trump himself should've been the first one to go.
Hard sell that they didn't dick the dog and get this man shot. Hesitated and failed to act when immediate action was required.
Why was Trump still on that stage? They let him on, knowing their was a weird looking androgenous soyboy with that was able to use a drone to surveil the rally grounds.
Why was Trump still on that stage?
Everything else is noise.
Why was Trump still on that stage?
Who told Secret Service to continue with the rally as if nothing was amiss?
Why was Trump still on that stage?
If I took a random CounterStrike 2 lobby, and put them in charge of "defending the VIP" and placed them in the bodies of the secret service that day, there is no ****ing way this ******ed clown even gets to pull the charging handle...
Why was Trump still on that stage?
It almost requires discipline and training to NOT react when these things happen. A complete clown, in full makeup, could have figured out what was about to happen.
Trump called their bluff and now they are holding a nasty worm infested bag. I hope the d'rats are skinned alive for this outrage and abuse of executive power. Trump and the those that value the foundations of our republic need to hammer them over this abuse of power.
Wild how this big of a story drops off. Past three days they shifted to pumping Kamala and trying to rehabilitate Kamala.
Damn, we are really following the commie rule book here with the photoshopped grey suit man.
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the same person they have been hearing about for the last 90 minutes, at least, was leveling a weapon towards Donald Trump.
Another glaring disconnect with all this.
You holding a rifle and move it an inch in the direction of leveling it at a cop and your ass is immediately shot.
You not holding a rifle but make an overt act towards the rifle and your ass immediately shot.
Presence of a weapon + opportunity + overt act in furtherance of using that weapon gets your ass shot.
Thats SOP anywhere. Basic self-defense and defense of third person since the invention of the modern firearm.
But for some unknown reason all that was ignored in this instance until a guy shoots Trump's ear off and gets off 5+ more shots over 15-seconds.
People on here spent 8-days trying to conceive of a scenario that would explain what we just saw and so far there's no reasonable explanation for this that you can articulate that won't get you booted off this thread.
Oh, look! Joe is dropping out! How exciting, new, and shiny!Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Wild how this big of a story drops off. Past three days they shifted to pumping Kamala and trying to rehabilitate Kamala.
At this point, does anybody really care about who shot ol' what's his name?
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The scope on a single counter-sniper's rifle cost more than all the kid's resources combined. (rifle, bike, ladder, ghetto ass Amazon IEDs, two phones, and the Hyundai Elantra he drove there in).
drcrinum said:This story keeps getting stranger & stranger. Evidently police texted crime scene photos of Crooks' body to an unknown man in a grey suit. @MariaBartiromo is reporting that Sen @RonJohnsonWI uncovered his identity and included it in his preliminary report. pic.twitter.com/4sFx2a8hwp
— @amuse (@amuse) July 21, 2024UPDATE: Senator @RonJohnsonWI's staff talked to the unknown man in a grey suit who received the crime scene photos from police. He claimed to be a member of ATF but has ghosted the Senator's staff at this point. pic.twitter.com/jtxQ31GjTS
— @amuse (@amuse) July 21, 2024NEW: Maria Bartiromo says a mystery man in a gray suit climbed on top of the structure where Crooks had shot from to apparently confirm Crooks’ de*th, told police to send the photos to the ATF.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 21, 2024
"A guy in a gray suit walks up the ladder and goes up to the roof, and this guy in… pic.twitter.com/JScZXuOSt7
This is getting weird. A mystery man in a grey suit, possibly from ATF.
He shows up every damn time. The truth IS out there.
I wish I could find a longer version of this interview w Johnson. like 5 minutes. very interesting.
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I wish I could find a longer version of this interview w Johnson. like 5 minutes. very interesting.
Good lord what an idiot. Sewing seeds of two shooters based on a tweet!!!!! GMAFB
Completely irresponsible stupidity on his part. Okay feel that way and make notes but DON'T memorialize it in the press with ZERO evidence for Christ's sake
Here's the first few pages of Johnson's report
Just wait until they realize that the real DJT is wearing the bandage because there's no damage to his ear. That was a body double that was on stage that day.
If Kamala is sworn in as POTUS, would she rapidly shake up DHS and SS leadership? Sorry, not factual, just a plausible question at this point.
Key points here:
USSS snipers no-showed the briefing the day of.
Local LE was told that the USSS wouldn't even be sending snipers and they would need to go "sniper heavy"
Then the USSS reversed course last minute and said they would in fact send two sniper teams
Communications seemed to be a layered a cluster**** and nobody seemed to be on the same page 'siloed' is what they called it.
Asks for publics help to save and backup any evidence.
Grey suit guy confirmed as ATF.
Congressman sets up whistleblower email.
USSS snipers no-showed the briefing the day of.
Local LE was told that the USSS wouldn't even be sending snipers and they would need to go "sniper heavy"
Then the USSS reversed course last minute and said they would in fact send two sniper teams
Communications seemed to be a layered a cluster**** and nobody seemed to be on the same page 'siloed' is what they called it.
Asks for publics help to save and backup any evidence.
Grey suit guy confirmed as ATF.
Congressman sets up whistleblower email.
He talks about gathering evidence untainted or curated by Mayrorkas controlled agencies. The interview was 5+ min. sorry I can't find it all. He talked about Crooks' body and how it was handled, and the kind of bipartisan investigation he expects will be conducted that includes all the video footage that's available and witness testimony. there was context. He wasn't being idiotic.Foreverconservative said:
Good lord what an idiot. Sewing seeds of two shooters based on a tweet!!!!! GMAFB
Completely irresponsible stupidity on his part. Okay feel that way and make notes but DON'T memorialize it in the press with ZERO evidence for Christ's sake
so what's really crazier is that senator who has been there for decade, trying to figure what happened, gets nothing through official channels. and the "facts" or lack of them, you're so adherent to, shift, seem like red herrings or don't make sense, and come from agencies that at the least, have conflicts of interest.
edit: found full fox interview on rumble
https://rumble.com/v57tv3t-senator-ron-johnson-drops-bombs-on-attempted-assassination-of-president-tru.html
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Key points here:
USSS snipers no-showed the briefing the day of.
Local LE was told that the USSS wouldn't even be sending snipers and they would need to go "sniper heavy"
Then the USSS reversed course last minute and said they would in fact send two sniper teams
Communications seemed to be a layered a cluster**** and nobody seemed to be on the same page 'siloed' is what they called it.
Asks for publics help to save and backup any evidence.
Grey suit guy confirmed as ATF.
Congressman sets up whistleblower email.
Sen Johnson said they still do not know who grey suit guy is. The number grey suit guy gave for pics of dead shooter was confirmed as an ATF Philadelphia office number.
But they cannot verify who gray suit man is
Grey suit guy.
Wow.
Just gets closer to conspiracy every day.
Wow.
Just gets closer to conspiracy every day.
Probably up there asking if they have a moment to talk about their car's extended warranty.Schneider Electric said:Sen Johnson said they still do not know who grey suit guy is. The number grey suit guy gave for pics of dead shooter was confirmed as an ATF Philadelphia office number.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Key points here:
USSS snipers no-showed the briefing the day of.
Local LE was told that the USSS wouldn't even be sending snipers and they would need to go "sniper heavy"
Then the USSS reversed course last minute and said they would in fact send two sniper teams
Communications seemed to be a layered a cluster**** and nobody seemed to be on the same page 'siloed' is what they called it.
Asks for publics help to save and backup any evidence.
Grey suit guy confirmed as ATF.
Congressman sets up whistleblower email.
But they cannot verify who gray suit man is
I don't trust them either. But I, and a lot of other posters have enough common sense to see some of the conspiracy nonsense for what it is, nonsense.ttu_85 said:And! This is why I dont partake on these kinds of threads. Problem is , if we had a gov and media we could trust to do an impartial, unbiased, fact based investigation threads like this would not exist. Personally I think most of it is silly.agracer said:
and lots of video evidence.
but some random person on Twitter posts an "audio analysis" and we're supposed to take it all as 100% concrete evidence of 3 shooters and someone zip lining from the water tower.
But man Im glad it does exist. Because I dont trust this gov or the media as far as I can throw it. Trust is a wonderful thing and we ain't got it.
BadMoonRisin said:
Even the people that were backed up to the stage, had to have had someone in their ear telling them that the same person they have been hearing about for the last 90 minutes, at least, was leveling a weapon towards Donald Trump.
And they. did. nothing.
Nothing. They waited to hear the shots, and then went in.
That is not incompetence, my friends. That's something else completely.
I hear you. It's almost impossible to reconcile. It's shocking and difficult for me to chalk up to incompetence.
That being said. Those SS agents around Trump and behind stage are still very much in the danger zone and at pretty elevated risk of injury or death, and the ones near him did rush to him as shots were still being fired.
It's hard to believe they knew there was a shooter with a gun about to shoot and were still just standing around and willing to possibly be hit.
Nothing makes sense.
agracer said:I don't trust them either. But I, and a lot of other posters have enough common sense to see some of the conspiracy nonsense for what it is, nonsense.ttu_85 said:And! This is why I dont partake on these kinds of threads. Problem is , if we had a gov and media we could trust to do an impartial, unbiased, fact based investigation threads like this would not exist. Personally I think most of it is silly.agracer said:
and lots of video evidence.
but some random person on Twitter posts an "audio analysis" and we're supposed to take it all as 100% concrete evidence of 3 shooters and someone zip lining from the water tower.
But man Im glad it does exist. Because I dont trust this gov or the media as far as I can throw it. Trust is a wonderful thing and we ain't got it.
True….but do you think there's a tiny but greater than 0% chance he could have had some help or that some security holes/vulnerabilities could have been intentional? Because, if you think there's at least SOME small chance any part of this was intentional, you're a "conspiracy theorist" to a lot of people. I personally think only a fool would think it was impossible.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:Maybe the most damning video of all time.ballchain said:OUTRAGEOUS: Newly surfaced video shows numerous rally-goers pointing out Trump's would-be assassin well before he opened fire pic.twitter.com/weRg5WSUvs
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 15, 2024
You got big Karen yelling out "he on the roof!"
Also, based on this video, if the cops peeked over the roof right before this then where tf they at?
How many seconds / minutes before the first shot was this video, anyone know?
Two minutes! See: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3475585/replies/68146910
Not sure if true, and not sure what's allowed on this thread, or when, but if true, this will really push along the conspiracy theories.
20 year old Crooks was a member of Clairton Sportsmen’s Club, the Pennsylvania gun range where DHS trains.
— Marla Hohner (@marlahohner) July 21, 2024
Shocking if it checks out. 😳
See video ⬇️ https://t.co/CtSBgArEJy pic.twitter.com/hkL7QV62CN
Folks still convinced these were all just at crazy set of coincidences created by incompetence?
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