Well, except to defend Melissa McCarthy being on SS detail. They did break silence for that. They apparently concluded enough of the investigation to determine Melissa did a bang-up job

Based on their actions, "informing the public" is the LAST thing they're trying to do. Their concern is more that someone will break ranks and do just that...

watching this now. These guys are reliable in terms of firearms opinions.



Except when they make fun of the P320 then they are wrong.

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Based on their actions, "informing the public" is the LAST thing they're trying to do. Their concern is more that someone will break ranks and do just that...

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100%. People should be infuriated by this, not defending them. They have circled the wagons and only put out bull**** like sloped roof excuses

Interesting "shots" recreation of the Trump Assassination

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Incredulous that it's July 21 and we haven't seen a single press conference from USSS, DHS or the FBI. Not a word. When in history have wee seen complete radio silence?

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You are amazed that the USSS and FBI haven't concluded an investigation into an assassination attempt in one week, written all reports, informed all the necessary people in the chain of command and had public discussion and announcements of the findings?

Have you ever interacted with the government before?

If they concluded the investigation in a week, you would probably be incredulous that they rushed such an important investigation and that means they already knew what they were going to find and had set everything up.

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I see what you saying man, but I'm not talking about an investigation and final report.

People's issue is that the presidential candidate with well over 50% of American support was shot in the head on live tv.

At a very minimum the American public should be informed of basic facts and circumstances surrounding the incident.

The consequence of complete radio silence is that theories and speculation run rampant eroding trust in government and contributing to the decay of public discourse social order.

When an incident occurs there's never complete radio silence. Look at the Baltimore bridge for example. that incident occurred and you had press conferences for the first few days to establish basic facts and tamp down speculation that it was some kind of sophisticated attack

Here we have't seen that. Not even close. So I see what you saying, but what we seeing here is unprecedented.

I challenge anyone that doesn't think this is unprecedented to name an instance where something this big happened and we see complete radio silence for 8-days.

DannyDuberstein said:

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It's not about concluding, but shooting incidents of all types frequently have status press conferences to inform the public along the way. This one, on the other hand, is radio silent and denying FOIA requests

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Every agency denies FOIA into active investigations. State and federal. That is standard.

Exactly what sort of status hearing are you expecting? "Yep, shooter is still dead?"

I have no doubt they are giving status updates to Trump and Biden's teams. But it is ridiculous to expect the public to receive continuous updates during an active investigation when there is no public threat. The shooter is dead.

As part of the investigation, I'd really like to see a full review of the entire USSS team supporting the event (including the advance team) and what they were doing in the days leading up to the assassination attempt. Everyone is focused on Cheatle right now but I think the issues run much deeper in the org.

In my career I have worked with a couple of individuals who were associated with the White House Military Office. The picture they've painted of their counterparts in the USSS is one of extreme arrogance and irresponsible personal behavior. Claims of the USSS agents being "known to party extremely hard in whatever city they're in every night" (seems like a bad idea if it possibly compromises their ability to be focused the next day?). One very colorful story I was told was that during the W years, apparently a bunch of USSS agents got into wife swapping with each other, which in my source's words "was all fun and games until one of them got pregnant."

We hold other professions to strict personal standards (for example, airline pilots not being allowed to drink 12 hours before flying). Seems like someone tasked with protecting the president should have a similar level of restriction when they're going to be on duty the next day? The rumor of this third sniper team not showing up... were they too hung over to report for duty? The conspiracy theories are running wild but I think a lot of the failures we've seen here are traceable to a lack of personal accountability being stressed within the USSS for too long.

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ballchain said:

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Who was it?

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It was this guy a staffer on Trump's media team. He was simply directing a photographer to move around the stage to get better angles. When the bullet started flying, he was few feet from the rear of the President. His first reaction: he got on top of two females and a male photographer (Selena Zito along with her daughter) and protected them. It's been highly reported and Selena Zito was interviewed multiple times on various networks describing the incident. No need to look for boogie men where there are none.

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It looks like a younger Steve O from jackass. Gotta be him in makeup.

Where's Wee Man for god's sakes? I think that was him in the grainy video on top of the water tower.

USSS, DHS and FBI all have deputy directors of communications. We can infer that somewhere, someone gave an order for these people to stand down and not do their job.

Why?

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But it is ridiculous to expect the public to receive continuous updates during an active investigation

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Big difference between continuous updates and no updates. Not a single press conference held.

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I'd like to know why the former president was left so exposed. I'd like to know if requests for security were denied. I'd like to know of I decided to attend an event, what is being done differently to protect people in attendance so that I don't get my head blown off. This is relevant information that they owe to the public right now, not months later.

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1. This is in progress and will no doubt take a while to verify all of the different failures on site. Would you like them fire off theories after only a couple days of talking to the people who were there?

2. Sounds like they were and they'll be investigating why.

3. That's not the SS responsibility, that will be the responsibility of the event organizers.

Now we in a situation where the first public official to comment on the basic facts of this case will be USSS Director Cheatle testifying before house committee on Monday morning at 10am EST (assuming they don't try and quash it later today).

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OUTRAGEOUS: Newly surfaced video shows numerous rally-goers pointing out Trump's would-be assassin well before he opened fire pic.twitter.com/weRg5WSUvs

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) July 15, 2024

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Maybe the most damning video of all time.

You got big Karen yelling out "he on the roof!"

Also, based on this video, if the cops peeked over the roof right before this then where tf they at?

How many seconds / minutes before the first shot was this video, anyone know?

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I'd like to know why the former president was left so exposed. I'd like to know if requests for security were denied. I'd like to know of I decided to attend an event, what is being done differently to protect people in attendance so that I don't get my head blown off. This is relevant information that they owe to the public right now, not months later.

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1. This is in progress and will no doubt take a while to verify all of the different failures on site. Would you like them fire off theories after only a couple days of talking to the people who were there?

2. Sounds like they were and they'll be investigating why.

3. That's not the SS responsibility, that will be the responsibility of the event organizers.

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1. I would like to know confirmed failures. Granted, the list is long but they surely know many facts now.

2. They officially denied refusing requests. Story seems to he changing now but it's rumor. An update of FACTS would be helpful

3. They sure didn't hesitate to tell us how all these women are so great at protecting us. They can't tell us they've ramped things up to keep people attending a Trump event from being target practice? We only get to know about Melissa McCarthy's mad skills when she's not practicing holstering her weapon?

The problem we got here is 'the facts' are somehow worse than any conspiracy theory anybody can come up with.

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As part of the investigation, I'd really like to see a full review of the entire USSS team supporting the event (including the advance team) and what they were doing in the days leading up to the assassination attempt. Everyone is focused on Cheatle right now but I think the issues run much deeper in the org.

In my career I have worked with a couple of individuals who were associated with the White House Military Office. The picture they've painted of their counterparts in the USSS is one of extreme arrogance and irresponsible personal behavior. Claims of the USSS agents being "known to party extremely hard in whatever city they're in every night" (seems like a bad idea if it possibly compromises their ability to be focused the next day?). One very colorful story I was told was that during the W years, apparently a bunch of USSS agents got into wife swapping with each other, which in my source's words "was all fun and games until one of them got pregnant."

We hold other professions to strict personal standards (for example, airline pilots not being allowed to drink 12 hours before flying). Seems like someone tasked with protecting the president should have a similar level of restriction when they're going to be on duty the next day? The rumor of this third sniper team not showing up... were they too hung over to report for duty? The conspiracy theories are running wild but I think a lot of the failures we've seen here are traceable to a lack of personal accountability being stressed within the USSS for too long.

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I don't doubt what you're saying but I do take it with a slight grain of salt seeing as the SS is 5000 people or so and those on body detail is maybe a couple hundred.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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The problem we got here is 'the facts' are somehow worse than any conspiracy theory anybody can come up with.

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This is the real reason for the silence. The facts are ugly and embarrassing.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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But it is ridiculous to expect the public to receive continuous updates during an active investigation

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Big difference between continuous updates and no updates. Not a single press conference held.

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Can you give examples of a time when the FBI gave status updates on an investigation to the public when there was no ongoing public threat from the target of the investigation?

The kid is dead, so it wouldn't be analogous updates about the Unibomber, who posed a continual and ongoing threat.

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akaggie05 said:

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As part of the investigation, I'd really like to see a full review of the entire USSS team supporting the event (including the advance team) and what they were doing in the days leading up to the assassination attempt. Everyone is focused on Cheatle right now but I think the issues run much deeper in the org.

In my career I have worked with a couple of individuals who were associated with the White House Military Office. The picture they've painted of their counterparts in the USSS is one of extreme arrogance and irresponsible personal behavior. Claims of the USSS agents being "known to party extremely hard in whatever city they're in every night" (seems like a bad idea if it possibly compromises their ability to be focused the next day?). One very colorful story I was told was that during the W years, apparently a bunch of USSS agents got into wife swapping with each other, which in my source's words "was all fun and games until one of them got pregnant."

We hold other professions to strict personal standards (for example, airline pilots not being allowed to drink 12 hours before flying). Seems like someone tasked with protecting the president should have a similar level of restriction when they're going to be on duty the next day? The rumor of this third sniper team not showing up... were they too hung over to report for duty? The conspiracy theories are running wild but I think a lot of the failures we've seen here are traceable to a lack of personal accountability being stressed within the USSS for too long.

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I don't doubt what you're saying but I do take it with a slight grain of salt seeing as the SS is 5000 people or so and those on body detail is maybe a couple hundred.

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One of my contacts used to carry the football for W. What I was told was specific to "inner circle" USSS agents on direct presidential duty.

If we know there is not an ongoing threat, it's not because the FBI told us that. Based on the vitriol directed at Trump where even members Congress this week are still calling him a neo-Nazi, I would not say there is no ongoing threat. 9 days ago there was no ongoing threat per these people

This story keeps getting stranger & stranger. Evidently police texted crime scene photos of Crooks' body to an unknown man in a grey suit. @MariaBartiromo is reporting that Sen @RonJohnsonWI uncovered his identity and included it in his preliminary report. pic.twitter.com/4sFx2a8hwp

— @amuse (@amuse) July 21, 2024

UPDATE: Senator @RonJohnsonWI's staff talked to the unknown man in a grey suit who received the crime scene photos from police. He claimed to be a member of ATF but has ghosted the Senator's staff at this point. pic.twitter.com/jtxQ31GjTS

— @amuse (@amuse) July 21, 2024

NEW: Maria Bartiromo says a mystery man in a gray suit climbed on top of the structure where Crooks had shot from to apparently confirm Crooks’ de*th, told police to send the photos to the ATF.

"A guy in a gray suit walks up the ladder and goes up to the roof, and this guy in… pic.twitter.com/JScZXuOSt7

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) July 21, 2024

This is getting weird. A mystery man in a grey suit, possibly from ATF.

DannyDuberstein said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I'd like to know why the former president was left so exposed. I'd like to know if requests for security were denied. I'd like to know of I decided to attend an event, what is being done differently to protect people in attendance so that I don't get my head blown off. This is relevant information that they owe to the public right now, not months later.

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1. This is in progress and will no doubt take a while to verify all of the different failures on site. Would you like them fire off theories after only a couple days of talking to the people who were there?

2. Sounds like they were and they'll be investigating why.

3. That's not the SS responsibility, that will be the responsibility of the event organizers.

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1. I would like to know confirmed failures. Granted, the list is long but they surely know many facts now.

2. They officially denied refusing requests. Story seems to he changing now but it's rumor. An update of FACTS would be helpful

3. They sure didn't hesitate to tell us how all these women are so great at protecting us. They can't tell us they've ramped things up to keep people attending a Trump event from being target practice? We only get to know about Melissa McCarthy's mad skills when she's not practicing holstering her weapon?

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1. Agreed. But it's been a week. If we don't have more confirmed details in a month or two I'd be frustrated too, but the government can't fart without an 80 page environmental impact report so I'm not surprised at all they haven't released all this in a week. Would much rather them be accurate then try and rush out info to appease people.

2. Agreed and I'm assuming we'll get more clarification on this as well.

3. Again, not the SS responsibility. Their job is to protect the primary (which they obviously failed at here). You're looking for answers from event organizers who are in charge of security for the sites.

drcrinum said:

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This story keeps getting stranger & stranger. Evidently police texted crime scene photos of Crooks' body to an unknown man in a grey suit. @MariaBartiromo is reporting that Sen @RonJohnsonWI uncovered his identity and included it in his preliminary report. pic.twitter.com/4sFx2a8hwp

— @amuse (@amuse) July 21, 2024

This is getting weird. A mystery man in a grey suit, possibly from ATF.

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The really weird thing is that VERY OBVIOUSLY PHOTOSHOPPED photo.

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Man in grey suit is not in any of the other roof pics or videos?

So photoshopped clickbait?

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That would make sense.

The more sh** thrown at the wall that is easily debunked conspiracy, the more that I'm leaning single shooter lone gunman and grossly negligent incompetent security.

BCG Disciple said:

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Madman said:

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Man in grey suit is not in any of the other roof pics or videos?

So photoshopped clickbait?

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That would make sense.

The more sh** thrown at the wall that is easily debunked conspiracy, the more that I'm leaning single shooter lone gunman and grossly negligent incompetent security.

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How can you believe that when the FBI won't even hold a press conference to address the photoshopped grey suit guy? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!!!!

WATCH THE VIDEOS!
The photo is photo shopped. The guy in the grey suit climbed up the ladder when the crime scene investigators were photographing the body.

Guitarsoup said:

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BCG Disciple said:

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Madman said:

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Man in grey suit is not in any of the other roof pics or videos?

So photoshopped clickbait?

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That would make sense.

The more sh** thrown at the wall that is easily debunked conspiracy, the more that I'm leaning single shooter lone gunman and grossly negligent incompetent security.

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How can you believe that when the FBI won't even hold a press conference to address the photoshopped grey suit guy? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!!!!

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Grey suit guy was photoshopped out of the photo...

BCG Disciple said:

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Madman said:

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Man in grey suit is not in any of the other roof pics or videos?

So photoshopped clickbait?

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That would make sense.

The more sh** thrown at the wall that is easily debunked conspiracy, the more that I'm leaning single shooter lone gunman and grossly negligent incompetent security.

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At the moment as far as I would go would be FBI/CIA or similar chatted up a kid and encouraged him to go do this. Maybe purposely downgraded Trump's security. Would require very little effort or people in the know.

But that is just a "what if".

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Guitarsoup said:

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Madman said:

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Man in grey suit is not in any of the other roof pics or videos?

So photoshopped clickbait?

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That would make sense.

The more sh** thrown at the wall that is easily debunked conspiracy, the more that I'm leaning single shooter lone gunman and grossly negligent incompetent security.

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How can you believe that when the FBI won't even hold a press conference to address the photoshopped grey suit guy? WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!!!!

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Grey suit guy was photoshopped out of the photo...

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Ok if you are so smart. Where did they put him after they photoshopped him out?

Eight days and not hint of any After Action Report or if one has even been generated.

A lot of oxygen is being used up on motive which is basically useless data at this point since the perpetrator is dead and no longer a threat and not facing prosecution. Mens Rea is not the objective here.

The main objective here is the breakdown of security, the apparent presence of complacency and the absence of adequate resources


All the rest of this is white noise


The After Action Report investigation is key. The AAR summarizes all the key information related to the evaluation of the event and damn well better include an overview of performance related to each protection detail objective and associated core capabilities, contrasted against an original copy of the forward team's assessment plan highlighting strengths and areas of concern along with any potential threats and all resources requested.