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Now that they released that Crooks was out with a drone earlier in the day, I'm pretty settled on incompetent/malicious SS versus conspiracy theory with the shooter. The big hole to me was how did Crooks know what he would be able to get away with prior to actually shooting the gun - either he had to do prior recon or someone had to give him the info. Now does it make the SS look even worse that Crooks was able to fly a ******* drone? Absolutely. The crew they had that day was either really, really dumb or just not trying that hard.


This is just thinking out loud. I am not disagreeing or proposing a theory but going down the series of dead end paths of reasoning that would try to explain Crooks' actions.

The mentality of Crooks is full of contradictions. If he thought he was on a suicide mission, why ask for time off work and provide assurance to his boss that he would be back the next day rather than just no-show? Did he think his boss would call his parents on the landline and alert them that he was supposed to be at work instead of taking time off at the gun range that day? What 20 year old would give his boss his parents' cell phone number? Why was Crooks considering what his boss would think or do if he was on a suicide mission that the boss would have no means in which to interfere even if only by accident?

Crooks seems to have had rather bold confidence, or autism-level ignorance of human behavior, that nothing he did outside or on the edges of the security perimeter would be sufficient to draw attention and action from security. Using a range finder in the open and flying a drone on site the day before are pretty bold actions for someone that has a mission if they believe that their adversary is might notice and would intervene if detected. Those childlike beliefs and presumption of inaction by the USSS turned out to be, against seemingly 10000:1 odds, exactly what the USSS failed to do.

Crooks was planning to commit lethal violence but was utterly unprepared to defend himself if he was confronted prior to assembling his weapon at the shooting position. He had a remote detonator for some explosives but no pistol and seemingly no plan for what to do if someone confronted him while the rifle was disassembled in his backpack.

Reports seem to indicate that contrary to supposition of a folding stock, the weapon was just an AR rifle that he would have to fit the upper and lower together and engage the pivot pin and the takedow pin. There's no hope of accomplishing this abd taking defensive action after being confronted when someone says. "Hey you..."

It is hard to get inside the head of an assassin that builds no off-ramps and no branches into their plan with no apparent interest in either egress after succeeding in the act nor eluding detection or evasion while getting into position. He had to have heard the people yelling at or about him on the roof but didn't turn his head to look or pay them any mind. To say that he had ice water running in his veins to maintain focus on his quarry would be an understatement. If the theory that his original intention and motivation was a mass shooting at the Trump rally, instead of at another public place, those people nearer to him that were pointing and yelling would have been easy pickings but based on his actions, they didn't even seem to exist in Crooks' mind.

People on suicide missions for personal or ideological reasons with political motivation usually have a need to explain themselves to the world via a manifesto. Crooks and Stephen Paddock seem to be the only exceptions. Charles Whitman had a brain tumor which either was the motivation for his act or kept him from having a desire to explain his actions. If shooting Trump wasn't for ideological reasons of his own, what is left? Was Crooks self deluded or autistically ignorant of the consequences of shooting at someone under USSS protection or did he believe that someone or something would provide a means for him to escape by diversion of attention of the counter-snipers, whom he had looked in the eye through his range finder at one point?

These are all dead ends of rationalization with no apparent answers. It makes about as much sense as a happy abd well adjusted person with a living family that suddenly on a whim has a compulsion to drive off a cliff as they are cruising down the road either literally or metaphorically.
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The obvious answer to me is he was likely in some sort of mental haze as one might expect if high on antidepressants etc.
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agracer said:


and lots of video evidence.

but some random person on Twitter posts an "audio analysis" and we're supposed to take it all as 100% concrete evidence of 3 shooters and someone zip lining from the water tower.
And! This is why I dont partake on these kinds of threads. Problem is , if we had a gov and media we could trust to do an impartial, unbiased, fact based investigation threads like this would not exist. Personally I think most of it is silly.

But man Im glad it does exist. Because I dont trust this gov or the media as far as I can throw it. Trust is a wonderful thing and we ain't got it.
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nortex97 said:

The obvious answer to me is he was likely in some sort of mental haze as one might expect if high on antidepressants etc.
You do a lot of great work on F16 and your posts are nearly always worth a read, but with all due respect - nobody gets "high" on antidepressants. If they did, we wouldn't have cartels fighting literal wars over the distribution of cocaine/meth/fentanyl/etc. and instead would be cooking SSRI's.

I read these comments about anti-depressants causing violence from many posters here on F16. It's not just you and I'm not trying to confront you or anybody else for the misinformation, so please don't take this personally. People who are suffering from mental illness and commit horrific acts are often being treated with antidepressants. The antidepressants are an attempt to treat what is often an untreatable mental condition like personality disorders. They're prescribed in an all too frequent Hail Mary attempt to help, but even when they really aren't doing much they're still prescribed because they have an excellent safety profile.

Mass shooters or assassins don't commit their acts because of anti-depressants. They may commit these acts with SSRI's on board, but that's not why they did what they did. It would make about as much sense to blame caffeine or ibuprofen or botox from a medical mental health perspective.

Disclaimer - I'm not a psychiatrist nor have I ever prescribed an anti-depressant. I have no financial or any other interest in the promotion of SSRI's but am posting to provide information and out of a sense of fairness for the people who are deriving real benefit from anti-depressant therapy.
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RGLAG85 said:

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How does a local LE professional sniper with superior optics, a superior weapon system, superior ballistics, superior training and a fixed and stable shooting position miss?

A professional sniper misses while a 20-year old kid on a dangerously sloped hot tin roof executes a perfect shot on shot #1.

The 15 seconds that elapses between first shot and 10th and final shot is inexplicable.
Was it the local LE sniper hindered by trees? If so, could explain the miss. If he was hindered by trees to the closest rooftop, why was he set up there?
20-y/o kid with an Amazon drone, golf range finder and collapsable ladder from Home Depot, off the shelf ammo from Guns 'R Us and his dad's off the shelf AR manages to select a superior shooting position and evade multiple teams of professional counter-snipers equipped with every conceivable advantage but still manages to shoot prone from a sloped hot-tin roof while scaring off a cop just seconds before and score a direct hit from 140-yards on a roof in plane view of God and everybody.


I mean this is what happened based on the evidence out there. Combined with incompetence and complacency from the people in charge.
Here you go starting your conspiracy theory again.

Why is it a conspiracy theory? You don't know if as fact and are stating it as given fact based on your bias, no different than the people that have ample reasons to not trust or current leadership or the deep state. You're throwing the SS and local LE under the bus to fit your narrative and using unprovable theories to fit your narrative. Then you try and kneecap anyone as unintelligent if they don't follow you.




Lol - now it's making more sense, you don't actually understand the definition of facts, opinions, and the bizarre, usually immediately disproven but increasingly far fetched conspiracy theories.

It's a fact that SS and the local PD failed in their responsibility. It's my opinion that it was incompetence and complacency, because there is currently no evidence of anything else. If something comes out indicating purposeful negligence, my opinion would change. But that "something" can't be a random tweet from @patriotwarrior7486155 saying anonymous sources saw a 2nd shooter ziplining in front of tens of thousands of people while simultaneously shorting Truth Social stock and checking his Venmo for a "secret conspiracy " payment from the FBI director sitting behind the podium.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

RGLAG85 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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How does a local LE professional sniper with superior optics, a superior weapon system, superior ballistics, superior training and a fixed and stable shooting position miss?

A professional sniper misses while a 20-year old kid on a dangerously sloped hot tin roof executes a perfect shot on shot #1.

The 15 seconds that elapses between first shot and 10th and final shot is inexplicable.
Was it the local LE sniper hindered by trees? If so, could explain the miss. If he was hindered by trees to the closest rooftop, why was he set up there?
20-y/o kid with an Amazon drone, golf range finder and collapsable ladder from Home Depot, off the shelf ammo from Guns 'R Us and his dad's off the shelf AR manages to select a superior shooting position and evade multiple teams of professional counter-snipers equipped with every conceivable advantage but still manages to shoot prone from a sloped hot-tin roof while scaring off a cop just seconds before and score a direct hit from 140-yards on a roof in plane view of God and everybody.


I mean this is what happened based on the evidence out there. Combined with incompetence and complacency from the people in charge.
Here you go starting your conspiracy theory again.

Why is it a conspiracy theory? You don't know if as fact and are stating it as given fact based on your bias, no different than the people that have ample reasons to not trust or current leadership or the deep state. You're throwing the SS and local LE under the bus to fit your narrative and using unprovable theories to fit your narrative. Then you try and kneecap anyone as unintelligent if they don't follow you.




Lol - now it's making more sense, you don't actually understand the definition of facts, opinions, and the bizarre, usually immediately disproven but increasingly far fetched conspiracy theories.

It's a fact that SS and the local PD failed in their responsibility. It's my opinion that it was incompetence and complacency, because there is currently no evidence of anything else. If something comes out indicating purposeful negligence, my opinion would change. But that "something" can't be a random tweet from @patriotwarrior7486155 saying anonymous sources saw a 2nd shooter ziplining in front of tens of thousands of people while simultaneously shorting Truth Social stock and checking his Venmo for a "secret conspiracy " payment from the FBI director sitting behind the podium.


Would letting Trump onstage be purposeful negligence to you? Not trying to antagonize, just trying to see at what point it would seem purposeful to you. Conspiracy is such a powerful word filled with all kinds of rabbit holes. You don't need a convoluted conspiracy involving 100 people. Just a few people in charge putting all the wrong people/worst practices in place until you get the inevitable outcome you wanted.

One question to ask yourself. When/if Cheatle resigns tomorrow as rumored, will the Biden admin/Myorkas, etc. be upset with her for how poorly Trump was protected OR the fact there is all this fallout and he is still alive? Which seems more likely to you?
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nortex97 said:



What an absolute clown show at this point. Cheattle resigning tomorrow to avoid having to testify?
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That includes a report that that the rules of engagement seemed to be well-designed to allow an assassination to occur. In that prior coverage, we quoted Real Clear Politics as saying:
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A source within the Secret Service community told RCP that the agency's rules of engagement in this situation are for a counter sniper who suspects an armed threat to radio the lead agent in charge and wait for a green light or wait until the president is fired upon to return fire.
That claim about the rules of engagement was disputed, but sure as heck fits with what we know about what happened that day. As we wrote in that prior piece:
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Gross negligence is the best explanation for this security failure. And the worst explanation is a deliberate decision to neglect Donald Trump's safety. That is the range of explanations. There is no version of events where everyone involved did a good job. Indeed, if we were Trump, we would consider hiring our own heavily armed security.
We're not saying we are convinced that the Biden administration intentionally neglected Trump's security in the hope that someone would take out Trump, but we haven't seen any evidence ruling it out, either, so it remains within the realm of possibility.




So Mayorkas lied last week. That effer has wreaked so much havoc on our country.
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Hittag1492 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

RGLAG85 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

How does a local LE professional sniper with superior optics, a superior weapon system, superior ballistics, superior training and a fixed and stable shooting position miss?

A professional sniper misses while a 20-year old kid on a dangerously sloped hot tin roof executes a perfect shot on shot #1.

The 15 seconds that elapses between first shot and 10th and final shot is inexplicable.
Was it the local LE sniper hindered by trees? If so, could explain the miss. If he was hindered by trees to the closest rooftop, why was he set up there?
20-y/o kid with an Amazon drone, golf range finder and collapsable ladder from Home Depot, off the shelf ammo from Guns 'R Us and his dad's off the shelf AR manages to select a superior shooting position and evade multiple teams of professional counter-snipers equipped with every conceivable advantage but still manages to shoot prone from a sloped hot-tin roof while scaring off a cop just seconds before and score a direct hit from 140-yards on a roof in plane view of God and everybody.


I mean this is what happened based on the evidence out there. Combined with incompetence and complacency from the people in charge.
Here you go starting your conspiracy theory again.

Why is it a conspiracy theory? You don't know if as fact and are stating it as given fact based on your bias, no different than the people that have ample reasons to not trust or current leadership or the deep state. You're throwing the SS and local LE under the bus to fit your narrative and using unprovable theories to fit your narrative. Then you try and kneecap anyone as unintelligent if they don't follow you.




Lol - now it's making more sense, you don't actually understand the definition of facts, opinions, and the bizarre, usually immediately disproven but increasingly far fetched conspiracy theories.

It's a fact that SS and the local PD failed in their responsibility. It's my opinion that it was incompetence and complacency, because there is currently no evidence of anything else. If something comes out indicating purposeful negligence, my opinion would change. But that "something" can't be a random tweet from @patriotwarrior7486155 saying anonymous sources saw a 2nd shooter ziplining in front of tens of thousands of people while simultaneously shorting Truth Social stock and checking his Venmo for a "secret conspiracy " payment from the FBI director sitting behind the podium.


Would letting Trump onstage be purposeful negligence to you? Not trying to antagonize, just trying to see at what point it would seem purposeful to you. Conspiracy is such a powerful word filled with all kinds of rabbit holes. You don't need a convoluted conspiracy involving 100 people. Just a few people in charge putting all the wrong people/worst practices in place until you get the inevitable outcome you wanted.


My opinion from what has been shared so far is still negligence and a poorly planned operational structure. If the reports prior to the cops attempting to climb on the roof were just "shady character wandering around and now he might be on the roof" then I could see the SS (wrongly) thinking it's being handled by the PD and making a judgement call to leave him out there. If the reports didn't come in until the cops fell off the roof and he immediately turned and fired it's definitely plausible that it wasn't enough time for all of the parties to understand what's going on and pull him off stage.

Alternatively, if someone reported "dude with a gun" more than just in the seconds before he fired, and they didn't pull Trump off stage then that definitely increases the likelihood of purposeful negligence by the SS. But again, that would require dozens of people on the comms channel to decide to ignore what the local PD was reporting, so it seems extremely unlikely in my opinion.

So to me it would all depend on what was reported when, which we don't really know yet but I'm assuming will come out. And there's a big difference in that kind of theory vs when it goes to the absurd 2nd shooter/FBI patsy/zipline/etc type of crap that keeps getting shared because people want to think we live in a spy movie.
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Crooks clumsily crawling on roof. LEO walking around building and people pointing out Crooks.



Security ushering people/photogs away from stage just before first shots. Walking in a semi-crouched position then immediately ducks when shots ring out.


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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Hittag1492 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

RGLAG85 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

How does a local LE professional sniper with superior optics, a superior weapon system, superior ballistics, superior training and a fixed and stable shooting position miss?

A professional sniper misses while a 20-year old kid on a dangerously sloped hot tin roof executes a perfect shot on shot #1.

The 15 seconds that elapses between first shot and 10th and final shot is inexplicable.
Was it the local LE sniper hindered by trees? If so, could explain the miss. If he was hindered by trees to the closest rooftop, why was he set up there?
20-y/o kid with an Amazon drone, golf range finder and collapsable ladder from Home Depot, off the shelf ammo from Guns 'R Us and his dad's off the shelf AR manages to select a superior shooting position and evade multiple teams of professional counter-snipers equipped with every conceivable advantage but still manages to shoot prone from a sloped hot-tin roof while scaring off a cop just seconds before and score a direct hit from 140-yards on a roof in plane view of God and everybody.


I mean this is what happened based on the evidence out there. Combined with incompetence and complacency from the people in charge.
Here you go starting your conspiracy theory again.

Why is it a conspiracy theory? You don't know if as fact and are stating it as given fact based on your bias, no different than the people that have ample reasons to not trust or current leadership or the deep state. You're throwing the SS and local LE under the bus to fit your narrative and using unprovable theories to fit your narrative. Then you try and kneecap anyone as unintelligent if they don't follow you.




Lol - now it's making more sense, you don't actually understand the definition of facts, opinions, and the bizarre, usually immediately disproven but increasingly far fetched conspiracy theories.

It's a fact that SS and the local PD failed in their responsibility. It's my opinion that it was incompetence and complacency, because there is currently no evidence of anything else. If something comes out indicating purposeful negligence, my opinion would change. But that "something" can't be a random tweet from @patriotwarrior7486155 saying anonymous sources saw a 2nd shooter ziplining in front of tens of thousands of people while simultaneously shorting Truth Social stock and checking his Venmo for a "secret conspiracy " payment from the FBI director sitting behind the podium.


Would letting Trump onstage be purposeful negligence to you? Not trying to antagonize, just trying to see at what point it would seem purposeful to you. Conspiracy is such a powerful word filled with all kinds of rabbit holes. You don't need a convoluted conspiracy involving 100 people. Just a few people in charge putting all the wrong people/worst practices in place until you get the inevitable outcome you wanted.


My opinion from what has been shared so far is still negligence and a poorly planned operational structure. If the reports prior to the cops attempting to climb on the roof were just "shady character wandering around and now he might be on the roof" then I could see the SS (wrongly) thinking it's being handled by the PD and making a judgement call to leave him out there. If the reports didn't come in until the cops fell off the roof and he immediately turned and fired it's definitely plausible that it wasn't enough time for all of the parties to understand what's going on and pull him off stage.

Alternatively, if someone reported "dude with a gun" more than just in the seconds before he fired, and they didn't pull Trump off stage then that definitely increases the likelihood of purposeful negligence by the SS. But again, that would require dozens of people on the comms channel to decide to ignore what the local PD was reporting, so it seems extremely unlikely in my opinion.

So to me it would all depend on what was reported when, which we don't really know yet but I'm assuming will come out. And there's a big difference in that kind of theory vs when it goes to the absurd 2nd shooter/FBI patsy/zipline/etc type of crap that keeps getting shared because people want to think we live in a spy movie.


I agree on the second/third shooter stuff. On the setup/negligence aspect we don't agree, but that is understandable. You see it a simple incompetence whereas I already see it as purposeful, but from a higher level counting on that same incompetence.

As far as actual facts that what we will find out going forward, you are much more optimistic than I am…
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The first video starts at 00:04:34 into Trumps speech. First shots start at 00:6:34 - a full two minutes after. People were already pointing out the shooter and LE was already walking toward and around the building. Surely they radioed in the threat and instead of moving Trump offstage, they let this Crooks clown get into position and start firing away.

He was obviously not a swift mover and I hear the counter-snipers couldn't see him until he reached the peak of the roof (don't have elevations and line-of-site info) but it is very clear that no one was in a hurry to usher Trump to safety nor neutralize the threat.

Two minutes…

I got the timeline from these clips: https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-political-rally-butler-pennsylvania-july-13-2024/
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I'm not twitter/X literate and I don't see anything breaking with a google search. Any confirmation besides these two tweets?
I've seen a few other tweets but not from any "news" sources or official sources.
Ryan Fournier has 1.1 million followers on Twitter...he's pretty credible.
Still nothing in the news or on a simple google search. Beginning to lose faith that she is planning to resign.

Also skeptical that she follows through with her appointment before Congress tomorrow. Very skeptical that this ever happens without a protracted legal battle. Because this is the most transparent administration part deux and they will do anything to hide their intentions and malfeasance in order to save democracy.
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nortex97 said:

The obvious answer to me is he was likely in some sort of mental haze as one might expect if high on antidepressants etc.
You do a lot of great work on F16 and your posts are nearly always worth a read, but with all due respect - nobody gets "high" on antidepressants. If they did, we wouldn't have cartels fighting literal wars over the distribution of cocaine/meth/fentanyl/etc. and instead would be cooking SSRI's.

I read these comments about anti-depressants causing violence from many posters here on F16. It's not just you and I'm not trying to confront you or anybody else for the misinformation, so please don't take this personally. People who are suffering from mental illness and commit horrific acts are often being treated with antidepressants. The antidepressants are an attempt to treat what is often an untreatable mental condition like personality disorders. They're prescribed in an all too frequent Hail Mary attempt to help, but even when they really aren't doing much they're still prescribed because they have an excellent safety profile.

Mass shooters or assassins don't commit their acts because of anti-depressants. They may commit these acts with SSRI's on board, but that's not why they did what they did. It would make about as much sense to blame caffeine or ibuprofen or botox from a medical mental health perspective.

Disclaimer - I'm not a psychiatrist nor have I ever prescribed an anti-depressant. I have no financial or any other interest in the promotion of SSRI's but am posting to provide information and out of a sense of fairness for the people who are deriving real benefit from anti-depressant therapy.
Thx, without going too far into the weeds cognitive dysfunction when taking SSRI's (specifically the seratonin levels changing) is pretty widely recognized. While it's controversial, I think folks undergoing such therapy (for depression generally) are prime subjects to be manipulated by others.



Admittedly, my terminology of 'high' was inelegant at best, but 'in a haze' is something widely reported by folks on these drugs, and that haze can include feelings of power/ability to plan and do things beyond…reality. I suspect the ratio of folks on them who are also 'gender confused' is probably much higher but again not the thread to go down that rabbit hole.

There's a reason they have to list suicidal thoughts/behaviors as a risk for common ones like Zoloft. It's a $20 billion+ market though, so medical publications on this stuff can be…challenging.
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Mayorkas is an enemy of this country. I'm hoping Trump will use his DOJ to criminally prosecute him
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outofstateaggie said:


This is incredibly stupid. It is a shadow from a ****ty, unstable camera from a long way away.
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Clear a a bell.
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There's a reason they have to list suicidal thoughts/behaviors as a risk for common ones like Zoloft.
Correct. The reason that those beginning antidepressant therapy commit suicide at a relatively high rate is because the antidepressant therapy gives them enough energy to act on their suicidal ideations. IOW, they were too depressed to muster up the energy to act but after initial treatment they develop that minimal energy on their way to a lesser state of depression. Irony at it's worst...
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Guitarsoup said:

outofstateaggie said:


This is incredibly stupid. It is a shadow from a ****ty, unstable camera from a long way away.



And since it's digital, if you took the raw data and ran it through several different processing programs you would get very different outcomes.
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Guitarsoup said:

outofstateaggie said:


This is incredibly stupid. It is a shadow from a ****ty, unstable camera from a long way away.


Zapruder had better quality six decades ago….
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Hey look. Digital noise.
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nortex97 said:

The obvious answer to me is he was likely in some sort of mental haze as one might expect if high on antidepressants etc.
Agreed on this. The second we saw this kid, first reaction was what stimulant SNRI was he tuned up with (probably Venlafaxine). So we'll see.
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"Under the influence of"
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TexasRebel said:

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Hey look. Digital noise.
Indeed. Abe Zapruder/10^100000
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Madman said:

Guitarsoup said:

outofstateaggie said:


This is incredibly stupid. It is a shadow from a ****ty, unstable camera from a long way away.



And since it's digital, if you took the raw data and ran it through several different processing programs you would get very different outcomes.
Exactly. We saw the same thing in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. The prosecutor wanted to take a ****ty, low resolution cell phone video taken in the dark and use the TV's built in processing to show a video, because it made something innocuous look like something it wasn't.
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Guitarsoup said:

outofstateaggie said:


This is incredibly stupid. It is a shadow from a ****ty, unstable camera from a long way away.



Was wondering what the Shadow Man had been up to all this time
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Video evidence confirms that we saw some kind of collective disturbance in the crowd right before the shots rang out. Thats clear as we've seen multiple angles of people scurrying around in an unnatural manner like wild animals that sense a predator.

It may have been the case that the USSS people heard a bunch of chatter on the radio and started to react. That may be what we are seeing.

But the question remains ... if there was any kind of chatter then Trump himself should've been the first one to go.

Hard sell that they didn't dick the dog and get this man shot. Hesitated and failed to act when immediate action was required.

The reality is that Trump probably took a bullet for other members of the crowd because it stands to reason that if they covered Trump the kid would have started blasting indiscriminately into the crowd.

History will show that Trump taking a headshot likely saved a number of other people.
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That poor dog.
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That wasn't Secret Service moving someone.
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Who was it?
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Incredulous that it's July 21 and we haven't seen a single press conference from USSS, DHS or the FBI. Not a word. When in history have we seen complete radio silence?
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A Trump staffer I believe.

Isn't it this guy?

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Incredulous that it's July 21 and we haven't seen a single press conference from USSS, DHS or the FBI. Not a word. When in history have wee seen complete radio silence?
You are amazed that the USSS and FBI haven't concluded an investigation into an assassination attempt in one week, written all reports, informed all the necessary people in the chain of command and had public discussion and announcements of the findings?

Have you ever interacted with the government before?

If they concluded the investigation in a week, you would probably be incredulous that they rushed such an important investigation and that means they already knew what they were going to find and had set everything up.
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Incredulous that it's July 21 and we haven't seen a single press conference from USSS, DHS or the FBI. Not a word. When in history have we seen complete radio silence?
yep. They let the internet run rampant, then complain the internet is running rampant with conspiracy theories.
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