agdaddy04 said:

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Not sure this belongs here, but going to share. Car is in the shop this week, so had to take a Lyft to DIA this morning for a work trip. Driver is a proclaimed lifetime democrat, but we have a nice conversation. At the end of it, she says something to the effect of "I'll say one thing, I always assumed if a shorting event happened against the right, that they would be claiming the same things regarding gun control that the left does. I can admit I was wrong and it's making me rethink many things I've thought over the years". Apparently it's also helped that her husband has recently got her out shooting and learning about gun safety, and she's enjoyed it. Another piece that's helped her sway is that they've recently inherited a ranch from family, and she's seeing more about how taxes drain them. So apparently some people can really change their lifelong opinions, just need to work on them and expose them to something different.

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Expose them to…facts?

BREAKING: CNN reports there were snipers, from the Butler County Emergency Services Unit, 'stationed inside the building where a gunman climbed the roof' and attempted to assassinate Trump.

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) July 16, 2024

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Foreverconservative said:

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Madman said:

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I know it will sound like I am just being snarky but people that regularly use holsters, either OWB or IWB in design are normally pretty automatic at getting a pistol in or out. Just the muscle memory of doing it regularly means you don't have to think about it.

So if you are struggling to re holster it tells me you don't have muscle memory for the action. If you don't have muscle memory for the simple parts why would anyone think you have muscle memory built for the actual shooting?

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100% correct

In my experience I've seen it a hundred times when for instance they put a desk jockey LEO that's never drawn their weapon in the line of duty and send them out on the street and they become Barney Fife. It's common these days with this DEI movement. I've worked with some crackerjack women that are sharp and good, but every one of them had active combat experience and skills and it shows. That said everyone has their limitations male or female. I know some terrible males I would never want covering my six, just like I know female I would never hesitate to work with.

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Or they were in shock. Very different scenario pulling down on the everyday criminal and witnessing the president almost assassinated on your watch. I dont blame anyone after the shots were fired. Trump was protected and the threat neutralized. What concerns me is that the best, and really only sniper's nest in the area was not secured. This isnt like dealey plaza where you are surrounded by tons of buildings. This was in a field with only like a handful of structures

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I would hope that the SS agents would train and train to the point that agents would not be in shock if their assignment is shot at. It is their job. If agents panic at the moment for which they are trained, they have no business being on the force.

If she was on temporary assignment with the SS but actually works for DEA or somewhere else (or the counterfeit investigation wing of SS), then her confusion would be understandable, but she had no business being there.

She was Secret Service. You could see her badge on her belt.

OldArmy71 said:

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According to the local newspaper which is the source, the "snipers" inside the building were local LEOs.

So they saw a guy scoping out the building, using a rangefinder to the stage, and return a third time with a backpack, and didn't think it was enough to engage him? My God. What were they waiting for?

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He probably left them a box of donuts inside on the table … they weren't moving

Fat Black Swan said:

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Can somebody explain how a shady guy was seen at the same spot 3 different times over 30 minutes and nobody did anything?

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No.

Tom Fox said:

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She was Secret Service. You could see her badge on her belt.

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There was a rumor posted earlier that she was on loan from the DEA for this event.

It doesn't matter. She looked lost, and a properly trained SS agent should know exactly what to do.

Tom Fox said:

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She was Secret Service. You could see her badge on her belt.

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She was more worried about the burger she was promised after the event …. Because she sure didn't know how to handle a pistol.!

rolo said:

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BREAKING: CNN reports there were snipers, from the Butler County Emergency Services Unit, 'stationed inside the building where a gunman climbed the roof' and attempted to assassinate Trump.

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) July 16, 2024

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This does play into my theory that SS thought he was friendly and didn't want to fire. If they knew assets were stationed there at the building, and they may not have wanted to engage.

Def an error but not a grand conspiracy.

Also, the fact that snipers were inside that building means there was still a lot security we could not see stationed around.

FireAg said:

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He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

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Actually there is. Incompetence and malfeasance. Incompetence has been the hallmark of this administration.. on immigration, on Afghanistan withdrawal, on the economy. Why would this be any different?
Malfeasance because the hatred of the Dc bureaucrats and Democrats towards Trump meant he didn't have enough security when a nutcase actually tried to kill him.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Secret Service had snipers INSIDE the building the assassin used. They took pictures of him. They watched him pull out a range finder to get his exact distance to Trump. They radioed the Secret Service command post about the assassin.

They all knew he was there.

Who gave the… https://t.co/4Exs0xm3Y1

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) July 16, 2024

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I don't find this credible. Snipers inside a bldg with no vantage point and didn't confront a suspicious person. How come they saw the backpack but no rifle?

And where did they see him and from where?

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Fat Black Swan said:

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Can somebody explain how a shady guy was seen at the same spot 3 different times over 30 minutes and nobody did anything?

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No.

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I could tell you two stories.

One is everyone is so incompetent at their job that this shouldn't be surprising

The other is they allowed someone to get into place because they were told to or were in on it.

Which pill would you like to take? Not sure which one is right anymore

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Just told my wife the same thing. These are the only two options. Although there might be a third... That they wanted everyone to see this guy on the roof but there was another shooter further away on a similar trajectory?

I dunno. It just doesn't make sense.

The rifle could have had a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.

Which begs the question, is it really wild ass speculation or does it actually make more sense given what we know now?

How long before we hear the narrative that they were doing some kind of opfor training and there was initially confusion as to whether it was real world?

Just putting it out there as a hypothetical because you know that would never happen.

AnScAggie said:

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The rifle could have had a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.

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Has any info been released on the gun? This could very well be true but I haven't heard a peep outside of "AR-15 style rifle"

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BigD_03 said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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BuddysBud said:

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Fat Black Swan said:

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Can somebody explain how a shady guy was seen at the same spot 3 different times over 30 minutes and nobody did anything?

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No.

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I could tell you two stories.

One is everyone is so incompetent at their job that this shouldn't be surprising

The other is they allowed someone to get into place because they were told to or were in on it.

Which pill would you like to take? Not sure which one is right anymore

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Just told my wife the same thing. These are the only two options. Although there might be a third... That they wanted everyone to see this guy on the roof but there was another shooter further away on a similar trajectory?

I dunno. It just doesn't make sense.

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There was another shooter (the pro), further back, and they wanted everyone to see the patsy (which is why everyone saw the patsy). This makes the most sense out of everything…

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This would be some real MK Ultra **** then.

Reminds me of that story out of Gleenwood, Co a while back where the kid broke into an amusement park with a rifle and offed himself before the park opened. Thats another story that got memory holed.

OldArmy71 said:

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According to the local newspaper which is the source, the "snipers" inside the building were local LEOs.

So they saw a guy scoping out the building, using a rangefinder to the stage, and return a third time with a backpack, and didn't think it was enough to engage him? My God. What were they waiting for?

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This. AT LEAST f'n approach/question the weirdo to read him.

ttha_aggie_09 said:

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Which begs the question, is it really wild ass speculation or does it actually make more sense given what we know now?

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That's exactly my point. It was so bad that it's beyond belief. ANYTHING else seems more plausible than that level of incompetence and stupidity.

As more and more stuff comes out, I'm really starting to think the local donut eaters F Ed this up. That is still no excuse for the SS who is supposed to have all this under their control but if what we are hearing is true, the local cops should have at least question this guy.. not just let him roam around…. Now as to who this kid was or was he put there by someone or there as a loan wolf, we will never know that

They wanted us to see the kid, he was the patsy…

Edit: It also addresses the question of why would the CIA send out an inexperienced kid to do the job? Because the wasn't making the initial kill shot, he was just taking the blame.

The real trigger man flubbed only because Trumped turned his head…

Let's say hypothetically the cops and media are telling the truth (I know). What's the motive at this point ? Suicide by cop while doing something that makes you infamous?

aggiephoenix02 said:

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They wanted us to see the kid, he was the patsy…

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A coworker (former law enforcement) had a good question today. What concrete evidence do we have that he was actually the shooter? Everyone heard shots, there was 1 fatality and 3 injured and this kid was on the roof with a rifle. They quickly shot him so he has no story to tell, and every video we have seen goes toward the ground as soon as shots are heard. Perhaps there is better video out there that i haven't saw yet. This gets kinda far into conspiracy land (even for me) but my coworker has a point.