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In reply to SpreadsheetAg • 9:09p, 7/15/24
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Oh. My. Gosh. The ending statement! He blows them out of the water.
Trump will fix it.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 9:17p, 7/15/24
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Foreverconservative said:
Madman said:
I know it will sound like I am just being snarky but people that regularly use holsters, either OWB or IWB in design are normally pretty automatic at getting a pistol in or out. Just the muscle memory of doing it regularly means you don't have to think about it.

So if you are struggling to re holster it tells me you don't have muscle memory for the action. If you don't have muscle memory for the simple parts why would anyone think you have muscle memory built for the actual shooting?




100% correct

In my experience I've seen it a hundred times when for instance they put a desk jockey LEO that's never drawn their weapon in the line of duty and send them out on the street and they become Barney Fife. It's common these days with this DEI movement. I've worked with some crackerjack women that are sharp and good, but every one of them had active combat experience and skills and it shows. That said everyone has their limitations male or female. I know some terrible males I would never want covering my six, just like I know female I would never hesitate to work with.

Or they were in shock. Very different scenario pulling down on the everyday criminal and witnessing the president almost assassinated on your watch. I dont blame anyone after the shots were fired. Trump was protected and the threat neutralized. What concerns me is that the best, and really only sniper's nest in the area was not secured. This isnt like dealey plaza where you are surrounded by tons of buildings. This was in a field with only like a handful of structures
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In reply to hedge • 9:30p, 7/15/24
rolo said:
Imagine a scenario where you got a report of a suspicious person in an area where they aint' supposed to be.

If you doing security, that person is immediately a contact until it cleared. Somebody figures out what the **** is going on with the guy and somebody has eyes on him and somebody goes to investigate and clears it as a known threat one way or the other.

Anybody that ever worked any kind of security perimeter will tell you this is how it works.

But it seems like that's not what happened here.

For whatever reason.
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9:30p, 7/15/24
I would like to know the height at the apex that the SS was on and the building where the shooter was. Wonder if they had 5 ot 6 feet height advantage and still not able to see him because of the slope where shooter was? Someone could have been on that water tower just glassing. All seems a bit strange to me. One odd thing after Another. Too much if you ask me.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 9:36p, 7/15/24
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rolo said:
Imagine a scenario where you got a report of a suspicious person in an area where they aint' supposed to be.

If you doing security, that person is immediately a contact until it cleared. Somebody figures out what the **** is going on with the guy and somebody has eyes on him and somebody goes to investigate and clears it as a known threat one way or the other.

Anybody that ever worked any kind of security perimeter will tell you this is how it works.

But it seems like that's not what happened here.

For whatever reason.

He didn't get there by himself…

He didn't get there with dumb luck…

He was allowed to be there…
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9:36p, 7/15/24
Don't see a scenario where they dont have eyes on him the entire time he was up there.

People milling about the premise that might be suspicious is one thing, but the second a mfer on the roof it should be general quarters.

Don't see how there any possible way some long haired kid that looks like that is confused for LE at any point in time.

You would assume that a spotter would be able to count the dudes nose hair from 140 yards.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 9:39p, 7/15/24
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He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…
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9:43p, 7/15/24
There are more buildings around there that seem to be tall enought for line of sight. May be wrong. But if so, why were snipers only on that one building? If other buildings did have line of sight were they scanning that area too. The only pictures of the SS snipers shows them looking the way of the AGR building not scanning elsewhere? Just curious why this was or just not seeing this footage that I have seen.
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In reply to hedge • 9:43p, 7/15/24
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rolo said:


IM NOT BUYING THE BULLY ANGLE. I was in high school ten years ago, people don't bully anymore they just ignore you or talk **** behind your back. This isn't the 80s/90s where they shove you into lockers or dunk your head in a toilet

Sorry but poor take. Kids are no longer limited to only being bullied in school. They can now be bullied online constantly and relentlessly. And if anything is obvious it's that more people will go much further behind a keyboard than they ever would in person before.

Not saying the bullied angle isn't abused these days but it is real and it is relentless
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 9:44p, 7/15/24
True but if he didn't have social media how would they bully him
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In reply to FireAg • 9:45p, 7/15/24
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FireAg said:
He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

Uh, there are plenty of explanations. "Good enough for government work" didn't conjure itself out of thin air.
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In reply to hedge • 9:46p, 7/15/24
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He had a phone. People spreading smack about you online doesn't have to be directed to you. Also all kids today are on school devices which are also interconnected.

Again not saying he was or wasn't. Or using it as a crutch or an excuse.

Just refuting your poor take (in my opinion) of you saying that bullying today isn't real
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In reply to Decay • 9:47p, 7/15/24
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Decay said:
FireAg said:
He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

Uh, there are plenty of explanations. "Good enough for government work" didn't conjure itself out of thin air.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night…

The "angry lone nut" is always the easiest lie to get people to believe…
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 9:49p, 7/15/24
Yea i could be completely wrong, i just dont think that cop out works here. Why not shoot up the bullies (columbine) … why target Trump
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In reply to hedge • 9:55p, 7/15/24
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rolo said:
Yea i could be completely wrong, i just dont think that cop out works here. Why not shoot up the bullies (columbine) … why target Trump

Again im not speaking to that as I said. Just saying you're dead wrong that it doesn't exist in school today. And in that kids are far too mentally weak as well.
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9:57p, 7/15/24
Too little, too late, but maybe they learned their lesson.

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Not sure this belongs here, but going to share. Car is in the shop this week, so had to take a Lyft to DIA this morning for a work trip. Driver is a proclaimed lifetime democrat, but we have a nice conversation. At the end of it, she says something to the effect of "I'll say one thing, I always assumed if a shorting event happened against the right, that they would be claiming the same things regarding gun control that the left does. I can admit I was wrong and it's making me rethink many things I've thought over the years". Apparently it's also helped that her husband has recently got her out shooting and learning about gun safety, and she's enjoyed it. Another piece that's helped her sway is that they've recently inherited a ranch from family, and she's seeing more about how taxes drain them. So apparently some people can really change their lifelong opinions, just need to work on them and expose them to something different.
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10:00p, 7/15/24
There has to be recordings of 911 calls that came in reporting this guy well before the shooting. So we'll eventually have a full picture of that in due course.

Any reasonable person would call this in.

Imagine being at the event and seeing some long haired mfer crawling on the roof

You pulling out your phone and calling 911.
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In reply to agdaddy04 • 10:03p, 7/15/24
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Not sure this belongs here, but going to share. Car is in the shop this week, so had to take a Lyft to DIA this morning for a work trip. Driver is a proclaimed lifetime democrat, but we have a nice conversation. At the end of it, she says something to the effect of "I'll say one thing, I always assumed if a shorting event happened against the right, that they would be claiming the same things regarding gun control that the left does. I can admit I was wrong and it's making me rethink many things I've thought over the years". Apparently it's also helped that her husband has recently got her out shooting and learning about gun safety, and she's enjoyed it. Another piece that's helped her sway is that they've recently inherited a ranch from family, and she's seeing more about how taxes drain them. So apparently some people can really change their lifelong opinions, just need to work on them and expose them to something different.
Recreational shooting has changed the minds of many anti gunners. Running a business has created many Republicans.
Trump will fix it.
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10:03p, 7/15/24
You got long hair you aint gonna be confused with law enforcement or secret service. That all i'm trying to say.

Cops and security posted up on the roof, thats normal but not a longhaired kid in shorts.

People on the ground yelling and pointing at the guy with the naked eye.

Spectators keyed in on this guy and law enforcement did not.
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In reply to FireAg • 10:08p, 7/15/24
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FireAg said:
Decay said:
FireAg said:
He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

Uh, there are plenty of explanations. "Good enough for government work" didn't conjure itself out of thin air.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night…

The "angry lone nut" is always the easiest lie to get people to believe…

If you say so. The sum of events screams incompetent and lax to me. Conspiracy of this sort requires planning and cunning.

I would almost say the same to you. Falsely believing that the people who would control us are cruel and capable when in fact they're merely... meddling, bumbling people.
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10:10p, 7/15/24
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You pulling out your phone and calling 911.


Not if officers are on the scene. I'm flagging them down. Which appears to have been attempted by many.
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10:15p, 7/15/24
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When it comes to bullying it's in the reporters playbook.

Random shooter - write story how they were a loner and were bullied in high school.

It's the default angle.

Not saying they were or they weren't- just that's the playbook.


They are lazy IMO.
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In reply to Decay • 10:26p, 7/15/24
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Decay said:
FireAg said:
He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

Uh, there are plenty of explanations. "Good enough for government work" didn't conjure itself out of thin air.

Exactly. There was no conspiracy from what i can tell just under trained people in that area. The sniper who killed the guy and other ss agents who shielded trump did their job
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In reply to Decay • 10:26p, 7/15/24
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Decay said:
FireAg said:
Decay said:
FireAg said:
He was ALLOWED to be there…

Government forces WANTED him there…there is quite literally no other reasonable explanation…

Uh, there are plenty of explanations. "Good enough for government work" didn't conjure itself out of thin air.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night…

The "angry lone nut" is always the easiest lie to get people to believe…

If you say so. The sum of events screams incompetent and lax to me. Conspiracy of this sort requires planning and cunning.

I would almost say the same to you. Falsely believing that the people who would control us are cruel and capable when in fact they're merely... meddling, bumbling people.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 10:28p, 7/15/24
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

Here's the threadreader to go with that tweet...lots more info.

This is mind-boggling to say the least.

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Maybe not the right place for this question, but here it goes. I have rounds go over my head before and remember the crack of the sound barrier. Would a round that hits you in the ear possible damage your hearing or equilibrium?
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drcrinum said:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

Here's the threadreader to go with that tweet...lots more info.

This is mind-boggling to say the least.



Holy ****, I wonder if the photo referenced in the tweet is the same one I posted earlier.
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drcrinum said:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

Here's the threadreader to go with that tweet...lots more info.

This is mind-boggling to say the least.

This is getting crazier by the day…. This kid was spotted many times and nothing was done till he fired shots .. not sure how all this happened
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10:37p, 7/15/24
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Ronnie Jackson was asked this question tonight in Laura Ingraham and he said no
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 10:42p, 7/15/24
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Agthatbuilds said:


This guy should have never even gotten a chance to get on the building. Geez. Calling this a security failure is not near strong enough.
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According to the local newspaper which is the source, the "snipers" inside the building were local LEOs.

So they saw a guy scoping out the building, using a rangefinder to the stage, and return a third time with a backpack, and didn't think it was enough to engage him? My God. What were they waiting for?
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