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Even though this is a politics board, if we, or them, view it in a political point of view... one or both of us are in the wrong. We were not called deliver social justice. But also we were not called to make sure men think of themselves as men and not women. We were called to deliver the gospel. We cannot do that when we first make sure they won't listen, and our feelings of justification by our not sinning (in that way) make us prone to do that. We have to recognize that political and social differences are vastly unimportant when it comes to whether or not we are part of the Body of Christ.

If you lie to your wife or are impatient with someone on the road, is that your rejection of God? We sin because we have a sin nature, and when we have been delivered from that sin nature, it still is impossible for us to fix that on our own. How much more impossible for someone who does not have that relationship yet. The point is we have been forgiven much, and we must forgive more than 70 times 7, because it was not even a sin against us. Our job is to make sure our relationship with God is where it needs to be (that is the only thing we have control over), and give the most people possible the same opportunity. God will take care of the rest.

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We are most definitely called to deliver social justice. You may view that term negatively today but it's pretty much the story of Jesus ministry.

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Semantics.

The left has hijacked many Christina terms and ideas like social Justice.

If anyone is serious about the gospel's social Justice then 90% of what the left and "SJW"s would be wrong.

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Supported by Relevant and Christianity Today, two of the more left leaning rags out there

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The left and right have historically needed each other as tempering voices. The modern left is no longer listening to the right, and the result is that they have elevated "compassion" as the transcendental virtue with truth and justice relegated to footnotes.

The irony is that without the bite of sin, there is no love in Jesus' (now meaningless) sacrifice.

Many denominations and mega churches have found temporary wealth in preaching exclusively feel good theology, and the funders of these adds are presumably trying to appeal to a broken culture with an outstretched hand… but they undermine the gospel and their entire premise when they divorce themselves from the behavioral standard.

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The church is apostate and it was foretold throughout the bible it would become apostate. No surprise here. This is expected when you leave the descendants of Adam in charge.

The truth about Jesus is exposed in the Bible. A TV commercial only serves its purpose, which is to deceive you.

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Why does it bother you?

Perhaps there is a little truth to it?

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Perhaps there's a little truth to their deception and that bothering him?

Wtf?

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Why does it bother you?

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It bothers me that some rich guy assumes something about millions of people and is buying ads to preach to them about changing their ways with a message that is only halfway Christian. The reality is that he's chastising the "flock" while holding up the sinner so that non-Christians will have a more favorable view of Christians. In short, he's pandering with *******ized religious messaging.

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You are confused.

Paul shaped his arguments to the Greeks differently than the messages to the Jews. They had different things they were looking for. The Jews needed signs and wonders, so the gospel to them highlighted Jesus' miracles. The Greeks were more focused on logic and so the messages to them were more on the "how" and "why". That doesn't make either of them "half Christian", it's just saying the truth in a way that reached the audience

John 8:11, Go and sin no more. We are condemned in our sin and Gods definition of sin does not change. As much as anyone wants to say love is love, homosexuality is and will always be sin.

You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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Most on this thread are concerned that leftists are preaching feel good gospel messages to the most vulnerable. Based on the website and other touch points after review, I'd say they are right.

I don't feel guilty about hating the act of homosexuality, fornication, theft, any of it. I hope and pray all of us can repent and be better with God's grace.

You getting on here and attributing and assuming how others feel so you can feel righteous in your opinion is pretty low.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

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You are still confused.

Maybe sit this one out until you understand.

I don't like the gay and trans life style but hey, it's your business and I am not the one who passes ultimate judgement. What I don't like is throwing it my face. I don't force you to accept man and woman biological ideologies so don't force me to accept your choice.

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The left loves to subvert the portion of Christian belief that happens to somewhat align with leftist dogma. They want Christians to discard the rest of the religion in favor of adopting more leftist ideology. It is how they subvert any institution and direct its resources to their own religious political system.

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And you notice they never challenge Islam.

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The left loves to subvert the portion of Christian belief that happens to somewhat align with leftist dogma. They want Christians to discard the rest of the religion in favor of adopting more leftist ideology. It is how they subvert any institution and direct its resources to their own religious political system.

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And you notice they never challenge Islam.

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It's because most Christians think "turning the other cheek" means capitulation.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

My take is that it's a bunch of conservative evangelicals that decided the pendulum of what people think of when they think of orthodox Christianity has swung too far afield from its real core because of certain high profile factions of that part of the American church's close association with populist center-right politics and they decided to swing it back and in doing so they swung it too far the other direction.

I'm pretty uncomfortable with the result and I just can't honestly see how in the world it achieves what they desire. And thinking about the money they are spending on it makes it even crazier to me. Why not spend that money launching great story telling ventures in publishing, gaming, and movie/tv productions? Telling longer form stories that might have a little more staying power than ads in a day and age where most people can skip ads seems like a better $1 billion investment than this.


Pretty sure this whole group is at least partially the same as the ones that funded I am Second. I found I am second much more compelling and impactful than what they are trying to do here and they spent far less on that campaign over ten years.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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It's a hard thing to get just right. The world has told all of the people these commercials are aimed at that Christianity and Christians are their enemy. Politics has told Christians that their opposites on the left are the enemy, and so we tend to reinforce that lie. We as Christians are as polarized as anyone is in this culture.

God has told us the opposite. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood. God does not see left vs right, man vs woman, black vs white. We are all sinners in need of a savior. We all have the same starting point, whether we are "right" (politically or socially) or not. So no, the message is not heretical. It is a starting point, and as long as it is just the starting point to begin the relationship with the One who matters, then it is doing what it is supposed to do.

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Everything you said is based on assumptions, and the assumptions are wrong. There is no "starting point" apart from the Gospel. The ad plays, you go their website, and then there is a promotion for a "study" and bunch of links to social justice talking points. No Gospel to be found anywhere. Its trash.

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I've never visited the site before, but it looks like they have gospel linked to most of the pieces I clicked on.

https://hegetsus.com/en/articles/what-is-foot-washing-and-what-does-it-symbolize

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Scripture References: John 13:1-17, Matthew 23:11-12, Luke 7:37-50

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https://hegetsus.com/en/articles/loving-your-neighbor-is-nearly-impossible-how-can-we-do-it

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Scripture References: Luke 10:25-37, John 13:1-17

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https://hegetsus.com/en/articles/jesus-was-exclusively-inclusive

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Scripture References: Romans 12:15-18, Galatians 3:28, John 4:1-29, Luke 8:1-3

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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Not what I intended, so please take it with a grain of salt. Most of politics is just each side pointing out how the other is just being a-holes, and it's important to recognize that in that regard, both sides are right. We have people on this board who think the most important thing Christians can do in this world is elect Donald Trump, so there are plenty of examples of the criticism being right to some degree. I have a hard time with pointing out that we are ALL wrong without inadvertently pointing to any person in particular. That is a particular shortcoming I feel convicted for at the moment, so please accept my apologies.

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

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9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How, then, can you ever possibly be salt? There are key words in that verse a lot of people are missing the "not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...". So are you expecting those who are not saved to be righteous first? Do they have to clean up their act before they get saved? If that is the case, what's the point of being saved, if we can do any of that on our own? We are told to judge within ourselves, not those who are not part of the body... that is for God to do.

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The point Paul is making here is that you should not be friends with them, hang out with them, etc. not that you shouldn't minister to them. The context of your involvement with them should be based around the idea of getting them to convert. You should not do family events with their family, etc.

Also note that this is reserved for people who actively and defiantly live sinful lives and revel in that sin. Someone who is a gambler, a sexual hedonist, alcoholic, drug addict, etc. can tear apart your life easily if you let them in. You should always keep them at arms length for this very reason. That doesn't mean you should not minister to them or show them the way, just that as a Christian, you should not be friends with them.

I don't remember Jesus every becoming active friends with non-believers. He would minister to them and become friends with them after they converted, but never before.

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This is absolutely untrue. One of the biggest complaints that the Pharisees had about Jesus was that he was a friend to sinners.

The point Paul is making is to keep the world out of Christianity, not Christians out of the world. If the one who calls themselves Christian is okay with their sin, then do not allow them to influence you. But you are called to go into the world and make disciples. Good luck with that when you are yelling at them on the street corners.

If a person can't handle being around sinners without that influencing their walk, then they really need to work on their walk, because it is not enough to do what we are called to do.

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No, he was not friends with sinners. You are mistaking friends with acquaintance. He conversed and spoke with them often and regularly but there is no instance in which he ever deliberately did things with professed non-believers who rejected him outright. If they were willing to listen, he hung around as long as he was able to.

In every case, Jesus did become friends with them AFTER they converted though. He only ever washed the feet of his Disciples, he never did this with non-believers.

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He did allow a prostitute to wash his feet though.

https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/LUK.7.37-47

The lesson here is only wash the feet of the clean, while the unclean may wash your feet.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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Not what I intended, so please take it with a grain of salt. Most of politics is just each side pointing out how the other is just being a-holes, and it's important to recognize that in that regard, both sides are right. We have people on this board who think the most important thing Christians can do in this world is elect Donald Trump, so there are plenty of examples of the criticism being right to some degree. I have a hard time with pointing out that we are ALL wrong without inadvertently pointing to any person in particular. That is a particular shortcoming I feel convicted for at the moment, so please accept my apologies.

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No worries and I respect your conviction.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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Not what I intended, so please take it with a grain of salt. Most of politics is just each side pointing out how the other is just being a-holes, and it's important to recognize that in that regard, both sides are right. We have people on this board who think the most important thing Christians can do in this world is elect Donald Trump, so there are plenty of examples of the criticism being right to some degree. I have a hard time with pointing out that we are ALL wrong without inadvertently pointing to any person in particular. That is a particular shortcoming I feel convicted for at the moment, so please accept my apologies.

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Aaron Renn had a good post on this ad series after the Super Bowl:

https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/he-gets-us-takes-a-big-l-in-the-superbowl

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By contrast, the 2024 Superbowl ads portray Jesus exclusively as ethical teacher and moral example. He "didn't teach hate" but rather he "washed feet." He taught us to love our neighbor as yourself.

Clearly Jesus was an ethical teacher and moral example, but the view of Jesus that's being portrayed here is identical with the view promoted by liberal mainline Protestantism. This ad is very much in line with a traditional liberal theological view.

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The foot washing ad featured twelve examples of people washing feet (one of which is a bit ambiguous). Only two of them featured non-white people washing someone else's feet. In no case is a non-white person clearly washing a white person's feet.

Additionally, many of the people getting their feet washed are left coded demographics: an American Indian, a Muslim woman in a hijab, an abortion clinic customer. While some of people who got their feet washed are possible Trump voters, none of them were clearly coded as conservative.

Beyond validating the intersectional view of race and identity, the ad also explicitly endorsed left wing political positions. One of the scenes has an oilfield worker washing the feet of an environmental protestor. Another shows an apparent bus load of migrants that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sent to Chicago.

I don't know for sure whether the people responsible for these videos are what I call cultural engagers or not, but these videos are very much aligned with that style. It is an example of what I describe in my book as shifting towards a posture of synchronization rather than engagment with the culture. It is putting a Christian stamp of approval on what are fundamentally secular moral and political visions.

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In addition to the previous point, beyond taking a left coded cultural and political stance, the foot washing ad also explicitly bashes traditional conservative evangelicals.

The scene at the abortion clinic looks like this:

The ad shows a woman washing the feet of another young woman who apparently just had an abortion. Meanwhile in the background there is a group of anti-abortion protestors (their signs are hard to read in this image but are anti-abortion statements like "save the unborn"). They are talking amongst themselves and completely ignoring the girl. In this scene, they are clearly the bad guys.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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Not what I intended, so please take it with a grain of salt. Most of politics is just each side pointing out how the other is just being a-holes, and it's important to recognize that in that regard, both sides are right. We have people on this board who think the most important thing Christians can do in this world is elect Donald Trump, so there are plenty of examples of the criticism being right to some degree. I have a hard time with pointing out that we are ALL wrong without inadvertently pointing to any person in particular. That is a particular shortcoming I feel convicted for at the moment, so please accept my apologies.

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Aaron Renn had a good post on this ad series after the Super Bowl:

https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/he-gets-us-takes-a-big-l-in-the-superbowl

Renn said:

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By contrast, the 2024 Superbowl ads portray Jesus exclusively as ethical teacher and moral example. He "didn't teach hate" but rather he "washed feet." He taught us to love our neighbor as yourself.

Clearly Jesus was an ethical teacher and moral example, but the view of Jesus that's being portrayed here is identical with the view promoted by liberal mainline Protestantism. This ad is very much in line with a traditional liberal theological view.

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The foot washing ad featured twelve examples of people washing feet (one of which is a bit ambiguous). Only two of them featured non-white people washing someone else's feet. In no case is a non-white person clearly washing a white person's feet.

Additionally, many of the people getting their feet washed are left coded demographics: an American Indian, a Muslim woman in a hijab, an abortion clinic customer. While some of people who got their feet washed are possible Trump voters, none of them were clearly coded as conservative.

Beyond validating the intersectional view of race and identity, the ad also explicitly endorsed left wing political positions. One of the scenes has an oilfield worker washing the feet of an environmental protestor. Another shows an apparent bus load of migrants that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sent to Chicago.

I don't know for sure whether the people responsible for these videos are what I call cultural engagers or not, but these videos are very much aligned with that style. It is an example of what I describe in my book as shifting towards a posture of synchronization rather than engagment with the culture. It is putting a Christian stamp of approval on what are fundamentally secular moral and political visions.

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In addition to the previous point, beyond taking a left coded cultural and political stance, the foot washing ad also explicitly bashes traditional conservative evangelicals.

The scene at the abortion clinic looks like this:

The ad shows a woman washing the feet of another young woman who apparently just had an abortion. Meanwhile in the background there is a group of anti-abortion protestors (their signs are hard to read in this image but are anti-abortion statements like "save the unborn"). They are talking amongst themselves and completely ignoring the girl. In this scene, they are clearly the bad guys.

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Yep. That's what I could remember as well.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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No, I don't feel remotely guilty. I have no need to be dishonest. I admit that I assumed these ads were from some leftist group, but to find out that they are from a very wealthy Christian trying to pander to the left and non-Christians doesn't change my opinion. He's still targeting and judging me to gain approval from others. Doesn't seem very Christian. I don't hate trans people and I want them to gain salvation thru Christ if that is what they want. I don't appreciate being made to feel like I'm an impediment to that.

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Part of our walk should be self reflection. The worst place we could be is in a place where we cannot grow any more. That's a huge warning sign. I don't know you, brother, so please don't take this as a personal affront, and I have no reason to doubt you, but just as a note of observations from my own life, that if you aren't feeling convicted about something in your life, especially something as integral as interpersonal interactions, then you aren't listening to the right voices.

Just because you don't like where they are coming from, doesn't mean that God isn't trying to tell you something. God used some really evil people to teach his chosen people some important lessons.

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Brother, we're talking about a TV ad and you're speaking to me like I'm turning away from God. Please. Also, plenty of charlatans have used Christianity to advance their own selfish interests.

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Not what I intended, so please take it with a grain of salt. Most of politics is just each side pointing out how the other is just being a-holes, and it's important to recognize that in that regard, both sides are right. We have people on this board who think the most important thing Christians can do in this world is elect Donald Trump, so there are plenty of examples of the criticism being right to some degree. I have a hard time with pointing out that we are ALL wrong without inadvertently pointing to any person in particular. That is a particular shortcoming I feel convicted for at the moment, so please accept my apologies.

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Aaron Renn had a good post on this ad series after the Super Bowl:

https://www.aaronrenn.com/p/he-gets-us-takes-a-big-l-in-the-superbowl

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By contrast, the 2024 Superbowl ads portray Jesus exclusively as ethical teacher and moral example. He "didn't teach hate" but rather he "washed feet." He taught us to love our neighbor as yourself.

Clearly Jesus was an ethical teacher and moral example, but the view of Jesus that's being portrayed here is identical with the view promoted by liberal mainline Protestantism. This ad is very much in line with a traditional liberal theological view.

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The foot washing ad featured twelve examples of people washing feet (one of which is a bit ambiguous). Only two of them featured non-white people washing someone else's feet. In no case is a non-white person clearly washing a white person's feet.

Additionally, many of the people getting their feet washed are left coded demographics: an American Indian, a Muslim woman in a hijab, an abortion clinic customer. While some of people who got their feet washed are possible Trump voters, none of them were clearly coded as conservative.

Beyond validating the intersectional view of race and identity, the ad also explicitly endorsed left wing political positions. One of the scenes has an oilfield worker washing the feet of an environmental protestor. Another shows an apparent bus load of migrants that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sent to Chicago.

I don't know for sure whether the people responsible for these videos are what I call cultural engagers or not, but these videos are very much aligned with that style. It is an example of what I describe in my book as shifting towards a posture of synchronization rather than engagment with the culture. It is putting a Christian stamp of approval on what are fundamentally secular moral and political visions.

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In addition to the previous point, beyond taking a left coded cultural and political stance, the foot washing ad also explicitly bashes traditional conservative evangelicals.

The scene at the abortion clinic looks like this:

The ad shows a woman washing the feet of another young woman who apparently just had an abortion. Meanwhile in the background there is a group of anti-abortion protestors (their signs are hard to read in this image but are anti-abortion statements like "save the unborn"). They are talking amongst themselves and completely ignoring the girl. In this scene, they are clearly the bad guys.

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The above is a much more articulate explanation of my point, and my problem with these ads. They are "left coded" with implications of who is closer to God or more Christ like in their behavior and who isn't.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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Who are you to say why he doesn't like them? And it doesn't matter if the people paying for them are conservatives they are still wrong and full of half-truths.

If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

This video is a great answer to the original, imho.

Interesting tidbit I found while looking deeper into this organization:

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it appears "He Gets Us" is now apparently controlled by a different organization: it moved from the Servant Foundation (to which the Greens are/were donors) to a new group called Come Near (none of whose donors I believe have been disclosed). There is also a new CEO, Ken Calwell of Papa Murphy's.

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https://comenear.org/

not much there to go on other than they are new

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If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

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You're confirming what we're all saying: this ad is a liberal Christian condemnation of conservative Christians. It isn't calling anyone to Christ (or the church), it isn't calling for unity, and it isn't engaging with issues at a substantive level to further the church. It's just here to gloat like the Pharisee rather than pray like the publican (which, ironically, you seem to miss - the ad is a plank in the eye of those who made it).

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This is a central plan to all of this. It's too well coordinated, implemented and funded.

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Yep. Actual conservatives and Christian's suck at marketing plus they would never get ads out this prolifically and widespread. Doubt many of these channels would even let them.

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If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

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You're confirming what we're all saying: this ad is a liberal Christian condemnation of conservative Christians. It isn't calling anyone to Christ (or the church), it isn't calling for unity, and it isn't engaging with issues at a substantive level to further the church. It's just here to gloat like the Pharisee rather than pray like the publican (which, ironically, you seem to miss - the ad is a plank in the eye of those who made it).

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I don't see any of that, but I guess you are going to see what you are looking for. I can tell you that if we are bristling at the idea of Jesus serving those whom we don't like politically, that is an us problem, and one that he specifically called out.

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You don't like the ads because they are making you feel guilty. Admit that's what the problem with them is. And that's ok. At least be honest about it.

And it's being put on my conservatives, not liberals. The last time I checked, the guys who run Hobby Lobby were not lefties. This campaign is being run by Hobby Lobby, some evangelical groups, and The Signatry.

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Who are you to say why he doesn't like them? And it doesn't matter if the people paying for them are conservatives they are still wrong and full of half-truths.

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I didn't address anyone in particular. So who is "he?"

I honestly didn't think much of the ads when they came out. I thought they were trying to reach a younger group of people, which is why they were produced the way they were. Meaning, you and I and half of the people on this thread are likely not their target audience. And if it brings more young people to God, why the heck not?

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If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

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You're confirming what we're all saying: this ad is a liberal Christian condemnation of conservative Christians. It isn't calling anyone to Christ (or the church), it isn't calling for unity, and it isn't engaging with issues at a substantive level to further the church. It's just here to gloat like the Pharisee rather than pray like the publican (which, ironically, you seem to miss - the ad is a plank in the eye of those who made it).

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I don't see any of that, but I guess you are going to see what you are looking for. I can tell you that if we are bristling at the idea of Jesus serving those whom we don't like politically, that is an us problem, and one that he specifically called out.

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You can read and understand biblical parables but when an advert pops up you just nod your head and obey without thinking? Right…

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If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

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You're confirming what we're all saying: this ad is a liberal Christian condemnation of conservative Christians. It isn't calling anyone to Christ (or the church), it isn't calling for unity, and it isn't engaging with issues at a substantive level to further the church. It's just here to gloat like the Pharisee rather than pray like the publican (which, ironically, you seem to miss - the ad is a plank in the eye of those who made it).

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I don't see any of that, but I guess you are going to see what you are looking for. I can tell you that if we are bristling at the idea of Jesus serving those whom we don't like politically, that is an us problem, and one that he specifically called out.

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You can read and understand biblical parables but when an advert pops up you just nod your head and obey without thinking? Right…

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I am absolutely in favor of skepticism, especially when it comes to marketing, but the criticism had better be for the right reasons, and so far it has all I've seen is versions of people acting like Pharisees, deciding who we have and have not been called to serve. Conveniently, all the ones deserving just happen to agree with us.

There are plenty of things that I am sure are legitimate points of contention, but that should not be one of them.

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If you remember, Jesus included the most provocative situations for his parables. The Samaritans were considered religious outcasts, and his point in the parable was that we need to consider the more uncomfortable facts about ourselves. He could have made it more digestible for the people who were listening, but he didn't. Is it our jobs to serve those who are our neighbors? He gave us that answer. He even told us who our neighbors are, and it doesn't jive with what we really want them to be.

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You're confirming what we're all saying: this ad is a liberal Christian condemnation of conservative Christians. It isn't calling anyone to Christ (or the church), it isn't calling for unity, and it isn't engaging with issues at a substantive level to further the church. It's just here to gloat like the Pharisee rather than pray like the publican (which, ironically, you seem to miss - the ad is a plank in the eye of those who made it).

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I don't see any of that, but I guess you are going to see what you are looking for. I can tell you that if we are bristling at the idea of Jesus serving those whom we don't like politically, that is an us problem, and one that he specifically called out.

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You can read and understand biblical parables but when an advert pops up you just nod your head and obey without thinking? Right…

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I am absolutely in favor of skepticism, especially when it comes to marketing, but the criticism had better be for the right reasons, and so far it has all I've seen is versions of people acting like Pharisees, deciding who we have and have not been called to serve. Conveniently, all the ones deserving just happen to agree with us.

There are plenty of things that I am sure are legitimate points of contention, but that should not be one of them.

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Let's apply your skepticism then. Who do you think the target audience of these ads is? You think the left-coded groups will see these and walk into church seeking to repent and turn from their sins? Who is Jesus 'getting' in these ads?