It's a hard thing to get just right. The world has told all of the people these commercials are aimed at that Christianity and Christians are their enemy. Politics has told Christians that their opposites on the left are the enemy, and so we tend to reinforce that lie. We as Christians are as polarized as anyone is in this culture.

God has told us the opposite. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood. God does not see left vs right, man vs woman, black vs white. We are all sinners in need of a savior. We all have the same starting point, whether we are "right" (politically or socially) or not. So no, the message is not heretical. It is a starting point, and as long as it is just the starting point to begin the relationship with the One who matters, then it is doing what it is supposed to do.

Wow! This thread got out of hand quick.

aggiesed8r said:

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Wow! This thread got out of hand quick.

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So an ad about Christianity gets debated and the thread is out of hand? How exactly ?

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What exactly is the problem with the ads? Not going to lie, I didn't particularly like it at first but getting a little perspective it's hard for me to take issue with the message conveyed.

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christians who harbor hatred in their hearts for the marginalized experiencing cognitive dissonance over the fact that hatred is not very christlike

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"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good" Romans 12:9

The rest of that chapter explains the insane degree of selflessness and kindness which is to be our standard - but it's incorrect to say that hatred is antichrist. Hate is an emotion Christians are allowed to feel - and REQUIRED to feel - specifically regarding evil.

aggiesed8r said:

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Wow! This thread got out of hand quick.

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How so?

Seems to me the thread followed the natural course considering the nature of the topic.

Phatbob said:

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It's a hard thing to get just right. The world has told all of the people these commercials are aimed at that Christianity and Christians are their enemy. Politics has told Christians that their opposites on the left are the enemy, and so we tend to reinforce that lie. We as Christians are as polarized as anyone is in this culture.

God has told us the opposite. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood. God does not see left vs right, man vs woman, black vs white. We are all sinners in need of a savior. We all have the same starting point, whether we are "right" (politically or socially) or not. So no, the message is not heretical. It is a starting point, and as long as it is just the starting point to begin the relationship with the One who matters, then it is doing what it is supposed to do.

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Everything you said is based on assumptions, and the assumptions are wrong. There is no "starting point" apart from the Gospel. The ad plays, you go their website, and then there is a promotion for a "study" and bunch of links to social justice talking points. No Gospel to be found anywhere. Its trash.

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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The same people making these idiotic commercials hate Trump. Those who support and defend the commercials as truth also hate the guy.

ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

aggiesed8r said:

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Wow! This thread got out of hand quick.

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Wut??

Phatbob said:

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It's a hard thing to get just right. The world has told all of the people these commercials are aimed at that Christianity and Christians are their enemy. Politics has told Christians that their opposites on the left are the enemy, and so we tend to reinforce that lie. We as Christians are as polarized as anyone is in this culture.

God has told us the opposite. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood. God does not see left vs right, man vs woman, black vs white. We are all sinners in need of a savior. We all have the same starting point, whether we are "right" (politically or socially) or not. So no, the message is not heretical. It is a starting point, and as long as it is just the starting point to begin the relationship with the One who matters, then it is doing what it is supposed to do.

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Contrast this with the hokey 90's commercial where you'd have a depressed guy in a dark bar, brought out into sunlight and joy in Christ.

The message was one of transformation and freedom. Whereas these typically start non-judgementally and go nowhere. Zero value contrast or progression. Just a warm blanket tossed to those in filth. At least regarding those that I've seen.

Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How, then, can you ever possibly be salt? There are key words in that verse a lot of people are missing the "not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...". So are you expecting those who are not saved to be righteous first? Do they have to clean up their act before they get saved? If that is the case, what's the point of being saved, if we can do any of that on our own? We are told to judge within ourselves, not those who are not part of the body... that is for God to do.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

HollywoodBQ said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But


But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

How can a brother be saved (assuming he says he is a brother but is really not saved) or repent, if I don't comport with them?

Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How do you effectively mister to those you hate?

And if they find the Lord? You will never be friends. Sound like a hypocrite here.

I suggest you read all of 1st Corinthians for context. Which is about Paul addressing some serious trouble at the Church in Corinth. Cherry picking tiny sections of scripture to validate an immoral behavior such as hate is a very bad idea.

Oh btw you and I are not worthy to be a judge. That is the domain of the Lord.

I think the problem most of us have with this add is that it implies we're hateful of this pitiful person or trans people in general. We don't hate these poor souls. We hate it when activists force them on us and try to normalize their sinful behavior. No one cared about drag queens until the left decided that their ridiculously over sexualized representations of women needed to be paraded in front of children. It's classic baiting from progressives. Do something extremely provocative and then claim the reaction by conservatives is proof of their hatred and bigotry.

Phatbob said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But


But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Wouldn't it need to be 13 seats?
Or was Judas tired of riding on another disciple's lap and that was part of the reason he sold out Jesus.

Phatbob said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But


But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Sure, but don't let Judas have the keys.

The problem with those ads is that they're lazy, glib, and trite. They're the latest and greater version of "this is what Christianity ought to be" without any attempt at understanding the more complicated nuances.

Put simply, they're this decade's version of that silly "coexist" bumper sticker that I believe comes factory standard on all Subarus.

Burdizzo said:

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Phatbob said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But


But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Sure, but don't let Judas have the keys.

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Obviously Jesus would take the wheel.

ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

---

They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

---

Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

---

Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

---

Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

---

1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How do you effectively mister to those you hate?

And if they find the Lord? You will never be friends. Sound like a hypocrite here.

I suggest you read all of 1st Corinthians for context. Which is about Paul addressing some serious trouble at the Church in Corinth. Cherry picking tiny sections of scripture to validate an immoral behavior such as hate is a very bad idea.

Oh btw you and I are not worthy to be a judge. That is the domain of the Lord.

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Yet you are judging him.

Phatbob said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Phatbob said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But


But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Sure, but don't let Judas have the keys.

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Obviously Jesus would take the wheel.

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This chain of comments is EOT worthy!

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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I agree, "He gets us" and the silent part "And He is pissed!"

Phatbob said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

---

They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

---

Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

---

Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

---

Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

---

1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

---

I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

---

How, then, can you ever possibly be salt? There are key words in that verse a lot of people are missing the "not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...". So are you expecting those who are not saved to be righteous first? Do they have to clean up their act before they get saved? If that is the case, what's the point of being saved, if we can do any of that on our own? We are told to judge within ourselves, not those who are not part of the body... that is for God to do.

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The point Paul is making here is that you should not be friends with them, hang out with them, etc. not that you shouldn't minister to them. The context of your involvement with them should be based around the idea of getting them to convert. You should not do family events with their family, etc.

Also note that this is reserved for people who actively and defiantly live sinful lives and revel in that sin. Someone who is a gambler, a sexual hedonist, alcoholic, drug addict, etc. can tear apart your life easily if you let them in. You should always keep them at arms length for this very reason. That doesn't mean you should not minister to them or show them the way, just that as a Christian, you should not be friends with them.

I don't remember Jesus every becoming active friends with non-believers. He would minister to them and become friends with them after they converted, but never before.

Logos Stick said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

---

They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

---

Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

---

Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

---

Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

---

1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

---

I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

---

How do you effectively mister to those you hate?

And if they find the Lord? You will never be friends. Sound like a hypocrite here.

I suggest you read all of 1st Corinthians for context. Which is about Paul addressing some serious trouble at the Church in Corinth. Cherry picking tiny sections of scripture to validate an immoral behavior such as hate is a very bad idea.

Oh btw you and I are not worthy to be a judge. That is the domain of the Lord.

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Yet you are judging him.

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Where have I judged him as a person? Where have I judged his eternal destination ?
I'm judging an idea, a position he is advocating. I have that right. Take the cheap guilt trip elsewhere.

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I think the problem most of us have with this add is that it implies we're hateful of this pitiful person or trans people in general. We don't hate these poor souls. We hate it when activists force them on us and try to normalize their sinful behavior. No one cared about drag queens until the left decided that their ridiculously over sexualized representations of women needed to be paraded in front of children. It's classic baiting from progressives. Do something extremely provocative and then claim the reaction by conservatives is proof of their hatred and bigotry.

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You are correct, but also, expecting the world to view the nuance when, frankly, sometimes they aren't wrong about our reactions, seems unrealistic. They aren't just seeing the exact right delineation between sin and sinner, and we are often bad at delivering the right message even when we do have it right.

We have been tasked with trying to thread the needle no matter what the reaction is, because we are the beneficiaries of exactly that.

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How do you effectively mister to those you hate?

And if they find the Lord? You will never be friends. Sound like a hypocrite here.

I suggest you read all of 1st Corinthians for context. Which is about Paul addressing some serious trouble at the Church in Corinth. Cherry picking tiny sections of scripture to validate an immoral behavior such as hate is a very bad idea.

Oh btw you and I are not worthy to be a judge. That is the domain of the Lord.

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Yet you are judging him.

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The word "judge" gets thrown around a lot. In the case of God, only He can determine our fate, but to "judge" in the casual human way is to determine good from bad, right from wrong, acceptable from unacceptable.

Is it possible to show love to others yet determine not to be friends with someone due to their lifestyle? Yes, absolutely.

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How do you effectively mister to those you hate?

And if they find the Lord? You will never be friends. Sound like a hypocrite here.

I suggest you read all of 1st Corinthians for context. Which is about Paul addressing some serious trouble at the Church in Corinth. Cherry picking tiny sections of scripture to validate an immoral behavior such as hate is a very bad idea.

Oh btw you and I are not worthy to be a judge. That is the domain of the Lord.

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Yet you are judging him.

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Not really.

Nanomachines son has specifically said he hates anyone who doesn't fit his definition of a Christian, which is a very specific statement. It can be judged all day long.

And Jesus would find such a statement to be disgusting. He hates no one on this Earth. He hates our sins and it saddens him, but he does not hate anyone.

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Sure, but don't let Judas have the keys.

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My RCC friends will tell you Peter has the keys.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 CSB
[1] I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the living and the dead, and because of his appearing and his kingdom: [2] Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage with great patience and teaching. [3] For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. [4] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. [5] But as for you, exercise self-control in everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

https://bible.com/bible/1713/2ti.4.1.CSB

93MarineHorn said:

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I think the problem most of us have with this add is that it implies we're hateful of this pitiful person or trans people in general. We don't hate these poor souls. We hate it when activists force them on us and try to normalize their sinful behavior. No one cared about drag queens until the left decided that their ridiculously over sexualized representations of women needed to be paraded in front of children. It's classic baiting from progressives. Do something extremely provocative and then claim the reaction by conservatives is proof of their hatred and bigotry.

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This is a great summary. We are to love the person and hate the sin. Absolutely within our right to strongly call this garbage out with out being guilt tripped.

Not within our perview to hate a people or a person which is where a few posters took this thread. But the sin itself, especially these types of sin, open fire and Godspeed.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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"Religious" people who espouse Jesus as a feel good hippie annoy this Catholic to no end. Its wrong and a near heretical take on his ministry.

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But He wore sandals and had long hair.

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I'm pretty sure Jesus drove a VW Bus too

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Do they have a 12 seater?

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Sure, but don't let Judas have the keys.

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My RCC friends will tell you Peter has the keys.

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If Peter is The Rock, Judas is the pothole

My problem with the ads is they feel like a cheap political commercial. Their focus isn't Jesus Christ as our Savior, their focus is trying to coerce people into agreeing with certain political positions - particularly the one that says "Jesus was an immigrant too". It's not about Jesus, it's about telling those right-wingers that we should rethink immigration policies because...Jesus. There's no explanation of Jesus beyond that - because the ads are targeted for people that already know him.

At the same time, I believe we have a Savior that meets people where they are...the woman at the well comes to mind. I think as Christians we tend to think he would be turning over tables at the sight sinful people - but the New Testament is filled with examples of Jesus speaking truth with kindness and gentleness to people who don't deserve it. Because none of us deserve it.

My 7-year-old actually came to us and wanted to pray and receive Christ as his Savior a couple weeks ago. I was blown away, he saw at 7 what it took me until 13 to find. One of the things I prayed with him was...'Thank you Jesus for saving me from sins - in the past, present, and future'...because even with a new direction in Christ we're still going to fall short and I wanted him to understand that.

That being said, the focus of the ads should be on the gospel - that we're all sinners that have fallen short of God's glory, but a relationship with Jesus makes us pure in the eyes of our Creator. It's simple, but authentic. It crosses political, gender, national, language, barriers and sets the focus on what makes us clean.

Agreeing with Donald Trump doesn't save you.
Agreeing with Joe Biden doesn't save you.
Making morality your 'god' doesn't save you.
Being 'inclusive' doesn't save you.

We all need Jesus Christ - and as long as we're on this Earth each of us is going to struggle with sin - that's why we need him.

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2wealfth Man said:

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Someone is spending a ton of money on these. National TV, signage at major sporting events, etc. The ads are really opaque to me. There was one yesterday during a hockey game , I believe which showed a tran with a sad face, what I took to be a druggie, minority working a food service job, etc.

This is as a Christian: No doubt he "gets us" and wants to reach all members of the human race with his message but there is a big big AND here which is not being said (notably, we/humanity have to take up the cross and follow him). I just feel like they are promoting this "destructive empathy" which we see all too much of these days without saying the hard part out loud in their ads.

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They are heretical. It's nothing but pure subversion of Christianity to push lgbtq, open borders, and more. They actively misrepresent and take bible verses out of context to do this.

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Hatred under the name of Christianity is also heretical. That said we as a nation have laws that the executive branch is failing to enforce. But hatred is never part of the game. You cant cherry pick the word dude.

Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind and soul.
Love you neighbor as you love yourself.

-- s Jesus Christ

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Are you saying you actively support a group that deliberately takes the Bible out of context to push leftist beliefs? Do you know what the Bible says about false prophets and those who intentionally lead people astray?

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Do you pay attention to posting history at all? I am well aware of what the Bible says about false prophets and what happens to people that lead others astray. I also know those prophets were Jewish as was Jesus himself as well as his Apostles.

Lots of false prophets out there and you will know them by their fruit. Hatred of a people is a poisonous fruit. Hatred of sin is not.

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1st Corinthians 5:9-13

Quote:

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Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

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I don't keep the company of those who are actively enemies of God because these people are corruptible forces. I will minister to them, but I will never be friends with them or engage in common discourse with them.

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How, then, can you ever possibly be salt? There are key words in that verse a lot of people are missing the "not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is...". So are you expecting those who are not saved to be righteous first? Do they have to clean up their act before they get saved? If that is the case, what's the point of being saved, if we can do any of that on our own? We are told to judge within ourselves, not those who are not part of the body... that is for God to do.

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The point Paul is making here is that you should not be friends with them, hang out with them, etc. not that you shouldn't minister to them. The context of your involvement with them should be based around the idea of getting them to convert. You should not do family events with their family, etc.

Also note that this is reserved for people who actively and defiantly live sinful lives and revel in that sin. Someone who is a gambler, a sexual hedonist, alcoholic, drug addict, etc. can tear apart your life easily if you let them in. You should always keep them at arms length for this very reason. That doesn't mean you should not minister to them or show them the way, just that as a Christian, you should not be friends with them.

I don't remember Jesus every becoming active friends with non-believers. He would minister to them and become friends with them after they converted, but never before.

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This is absolutely untrue. One of the biggest complaints that the Pharisees had about Jesus was that he was a friend to sinners.

The point Paul is making is to keep the world out of Christianity, not Christians out of the world. If the one who calls themselves Christian is okay with their sin, then do not allow them to influence you. But you are called to go into the world and make disciples. Good luck with that when you are yelling at them on the street corners.

If a person can't handle being around sinners without that influencing their walk, then they really need to work on their walk, because it is not enough to do what we are called to do.

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My problem with the ads is they feel like a cheap political commercial. Their focus isn't Jesus Christ as our Savior, their focus is trying to coerce people into agreeing with certain political positions

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