Jenny Craig just went bankrupt, don't think the diet and exercise wave is coming. I'll take a drugged up society over one taking up 3 plane seats each.

I always think fen-phen, which did not go well. I don't take drugs unless there's a very good reason for it and thats especially true for new drugs, but also all the way down to an allergy pill with a risk reward perspective

My allergies have to be on the verge of making me sick, miss work before I'll take it and a new drug has to thwart something a lot more serious with no other way out. In this case, exercise and eat healthy being the better option. For some people the new drug may be worth if if they're going to be morbidly obese otherwise and just can't control it themselves through healthy habbits

Let the fats be fat. They won't make it too much longer.

Do not give fats miracle pills.

Problem solved

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Let the fats be fat. They won't make it too much longer.

Do not give fats miracle pills.

Problem solved

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They are not a miracle drug and have a host of bad side effects (especially when you go off them and gain the weight back). Also they have no long term testing, that's what the public is for I guess.

GW Bush told the American people after 9-11 that the best thing they could do for America was go shopping.

23-years later we being told the best thing for America is for us to be fat and take drugs.

Ban fat people.

Everywhere.

Bring back Ephedrine. I went from being a DL/DE to having the body of a Safety in one summer. Granted, I ran and worked out like an insane person but it was in no small part due to the Ephedrine. Had the energy to work 9 hours a day in a hot ass warehouse and still do 2+ hours in the weight room and 3-7 miles of cardio. Of course, sleep was a bit of an issue…. lol.

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Bring back Ephedrine. I went from being a DL/DE to having the body of a Safety in one summer. Granted, I ran and worked out like an insane person but it was in no small part due to the Ephedrine. Had the energy to work 9 hours a day in a hot ass warehouse and still do 2+ hours in the weight room and 3-7 miles of cardio. Of course, sleep was a bit of an issue…. lol.

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Xenadrine (ephedrine based) was good stuff and I miss it. I was the same as you, in working a brutal job during school, but I still worked out like crazy. School, work, the gym, and drinking. I was always sharp as a tack and full of energy.

Novo Nordisk is buying three more US factories. Errybody gonna be on weight loss drugs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/02/05/novo-nordisk-catalent-wegovy-ozempic/

Just re-elect Biden. Inflation will drive food prices so high that we will all be eating less.

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Bring back Ephedrine. I went from being a DL/DE to having the body of a Safety in one summer. Granted, I ran and worked out like an insane person but it was in no small part due to the Ephedrine. Had the energy to work 9 hours a day in a hot ass warehouse and still do 2+ hours in the weight room and 3-7 miles of cardio. Of course, sleep was a bit of an issue…. lol.

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I wouldn't have survived my first deployment without it. We got a case of Jack3d from the PX and basically were methed out for 7 months straight. 36 hour straight foot mobile operations were normal covering 30+ miles in the hinterlands south of Fallujah in 125 degree weather. Living among the populace 20 days at a time before a rest and refit phase of 3 days.

The day I came back I weighed 117 lbs from 155.

We don't need gyms. Just go play peek a boo in the bush with *******s with guns while hopped up on questionably legal speed. Just as our forefathers intended.

I have a buddy who has dropped 60 # on mounjaro. He swears by it. My guess is there are going to be some really bad unknown downside.

Yet another product of a lazy society. Weight loss is the most simple math problem, just need to adhere to it.

Calories in < calories burned

As noted previously, people will take a pill or get injected, drop that weight, feel all good about themselves and a year later after they stop taking it will be bigger than when they started.

It's the drug of choice for the "Real Housewives of Calallen" . I've seen some women who look like well kept 40 year olds turn to Skeletor in 6 months.

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As noted previously, people will take a pill or get injected, drop that weight, feel all good about themselves and a year later after they stop taking it will be bigger than when they started.

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One of the doctors I golf with said this exact same thing.

The real racket is that it's supposed to be a forever drug. Once you start it you're supposed to be on it for life. They'll make a killing on residuals. I have family that aren't pre-diabetic who's doctors have prescribed Ozempic strictly for weight loss.

I'm overweight and started shifting eating and exercise habits in December. Post Covid I'm too jaded to consider anything pushed out by big pharma. I'm down 30 lbs on diet and exercise alone.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirzepatide

Tirzepatide may have some promise for those that are obese:
Injected
Up to 30% body weight loss.

Still have to exercise and watch diet

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semaglutides work by ejection. Eat too much get diarrhea. I think it is that simple.

All this trash has a rebound effect. You'll eventually put the weight back on. Studies show this

You could get a coach and meal plan delivery for 1,000/month.

Even once per week exercise for 1 hour combined with diet would help most obese people with pretty minimal effort.

USA drug culture is insane. Even among the healthy, there is drug culture of PEDs, steroids, testosterone, fat burners, etc. People want short cuts.

In the long term the shortcuts are not sustainable or healthy.

Also, imagine the dating scene getting even worse, now a bunch of people will be drug users needing these pharmaceuticals to keep that physique they had when you met. It's going to unwind a lot of long term relationships if they stop the drugs.

And imagine the economic drain and rise in health insurance costs for healthy people to cover all of these lazy bums.

If insurance companies wanted to save money they should have deep discounts for healthy BMI people of cover gym membership or some kind of lifestyle discount. Healthy BMI correlates to much fewer health problems.

This is dystopian. Our society is dysfunctional.

Less fat through rejection of calorie intake doesn't solve weak muscles and bones and poor cardio health. It can make it easier to improve those things but still takes effort.

Skinny fat is still not that attractive.

It's the food period end of story

I applaud you and others for having the discipline. This thread has me (and others now) thinking those that legit lost weight are ALL on meds to reduce weight (that's what generalizations are for, ha).

My wife has lost 55lbs since last January (after gaining it after 3 kids), so sure folks think 'its the drugs' (I would too being honest), so super proud and she's been in the maintaining phase for a bit and enjoying it more now.

Different drug, but a friend takes a lot of Aderol (like twice the max dosage and does not NOT have ADD) for 5+years now. Bonus I suppose is it focuses him away from eating. He looks great and gets stuff done like crazy, and feels good, so to him, he's all good. But the unstable personality/muted emotions is very concerning for his wife and we have been working on getting him off it, but may not come until he crashes somehow at this point.

I remember Metabolife back in 90's, was a weight aid with ephedra and took it for a year. I am blessed with genetics so didn't need it that way, but hard to explain and glad they banned it (I guess) b/c it gave me a slight energy/motivational edge, but nothing crazy (ie I liked it). Maybe just a sugar pill for me, but that's the one 'drug' I might have continued for a lot longer. Now it's just vitamins I am hooked on fortunately.

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It's the food carbs period end of story

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FIFY.

Americans are hooked on sugar and grains.

here is what i know.

in life there are very few shortcuts. a drug that helps you lose weight is a shortcut. it may solve the issue for a time but eventually the problem will come back. this issue is multi pronged. it's an issue that is personal/ lack of discipline but it is also bigger than that. the **** the FDA allows to be put in our food is nothing more than long term genocide. half the preservatives are banned in almost every other country around the world because of the harmful health effects.

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I'm just going to stand by and wait for the "Obesity is Healthy" crowd to cry about Goldman stating the obvious that fat people are less productive than non-fats.

2+2=4. Let the rage ensue.

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FIFY.

Americans are hooked on sugar and grains.

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This, carbs are the #1 problem. Loaded in everything, cut the carbs and lose weight fast, even w/o exercise.

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Or.... the fatties could get off their asses, exercise and eat less.

as if this country needs another large swath of its citizens drugged up the wazoo (see ADHD and related medicines)

a population that relies on drugs is a population that can be controlled



https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-faster-growth-ozempic-glp-1-weight-loss-drugs-2024-2

• The US economy will see a surge in growth as more people start to take GLP-1 weight loss drugs.
• Goldman Sachs forecasted that US GDP would jump by 1% if 60 million Americans took a GLP-1 drug.
• "The main reason we see economic upside from healthcare innovation is that poor health imposes significant economic costs," Goldman Sachs said.

The more people that take GLP-1 weight loss drugs, the faster the US economy will grow, according to estimates from Goldman Sachs.

The bank said in a note on Thursday that US GDP would grow by an extra 1% if 60 million Americans took GLP-1 drugs by 2028.

The thinking behind Goldman's forecast is that poor health is a burden for economic growth, as it can weigh heavily on the total labor supply and total hours worked through elevated "missed days" at work, early death, and informal caregiving that takes people out of the workforce.

Goldman estimates that anywhere from 10 million to 70 million Americans will be taking a GLP-1 drug by 2028, with the wide range being driven by uncertainties related to adequate supply, insurance coverage, and clinical trial outcomes.

One spillover effect would be an increase in productivity. Hatzius cited academic studies that show obese individuals are both less likely to work and less productive when they do work.

"These estimates therefore suggest that obesity related health complications subtract over 3% from per capita output, implying an over 1% hit to total output when combined with the over 40% incidence of obesity in the US population," Hatzius explained.

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This is Big Pharma's biggest thing since Viagra. It's no surprise since the majority of the country is overweight. Now they will rake money in hand over fist from the money they primarily get through the health insurance companies, and when it all comes crashing down they'll just settle the lawsuits so they save millions to billions of dollars.

In the end Big Pharma makes money; the health insurance industry makes money by raising their costs to cover what they're paying out for these drugs; and the lawyers that will be in those future cases will become millionaires over the lawsuits. And all because most of those people taking the drug aren't willing to do the work of self control.

On the plus side, there's been articles talking about how food prices are coming down because so many are on the drugs and aren't eating anywhere near what they used to. So there's that, I guess.

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Americans are hooked on sugar and grains.

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This, carbs are the #1 problem. Loaded in everything, cut the carbs and lose weight fast, even w/o exercise.

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there's a reason why prisoners are fed mostly carbs. The powers that be want a docile, controllable population.

The lockdowns were nothing more than a prison experiment designed to test out controlling people in their own personal prisons.

At this point, I am OK with obese people taking Ozempic because we need something to reduce the strain on the health care system. 5 years ago me would have railed against laziness but living in South Texas is like being on another planet and we need change. When we travel up north I marvel at all the thin people.

I thought covid would scare more people into losing weight but nope they just got mean.

I have a co-worker who is type 2 diabetes and on ozempic. She is not hardly overweight, and says her numbers are down to normal levels but she has not lost any weight per se. She eats well and follows a diet. I am thrilled for her but we had a good laugh about her not reaping any weight loss benefits.

Another 4 years of Pedophile Joe and shrinkflation will turn our burgers into Willy Wonka burger flavored pills. Fatties will have a buy a bag of burgers like skittles