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In their analysis did they consider the drop in food sales?

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I'm glad it's working for you and there's no question in my mind it has made you healthier by shedding the pounds but if you watch the video capcity linked you'll see the exercise component is not really a huge part of the equation. Does it help… absolutely but it's not the driving factor in American overweight/obesity issues

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The biggest component with being overweight/obesity is simply put: Portion Control.

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To be more specific, carb control. You can still eat large portions of protein, but eliminate the carbs and you will lose weight. I've seen it just from sugar elimination alone.

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crowman2010 said:

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halfastros81 said:

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I'm glad it's working for you and there's no question in my mind it has made you healthier by shedding the pounds but if you watch the video capcity linked you'll see the exercise component is not really a huge part of the equation. Does it help… absolutely but it's not the driving factor in American overweight/obesity issues

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The biggest component with being overweight/obesity is simply put: Portion Control.

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To be more specific, carb control. You can still eat large portions of protein, but eliminate the carbs and you will lose weight. I've seen it just from sugar elimination alone.

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Carb control is key, but overall, its caloric intake. Carbs just tend to be the empty calories that provide no other significant value to your body that we tend to binge eat over and over again because they taste so dang good!

Its insulin, calories don't matter. Insulin is a storage hormone, it has to do something with the sugars, so they go back to the liver and get turned into fat for storage and use later. But because fatties don't use the energy it just keep storing fat, leading to fatty liver and fat around the midsection (and organs).

Amount of calories dont matter, its carbs and insulin. Sugar from Fruit, sodas, bread, or anything else. Insulin resistance is the problem!

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Wife and I have been on this for about 7 months now. I'm down 50lbs, she's down 40. Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym. We feel great now and have gone into a maintenance mode.

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"Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym."

you see nothing wrong with this statement?

from an individual's health, or a well functioning society aspect?

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crowman2010 said:

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Wife and I have been on this for about 7 months now. I'm down 50lbs, she's down 40. Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym. We feel great now and have gone into a maintenance mode.

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"Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym."

you see nothing wrong with this statement?

from an individual's health, or a well functioning society aspect?

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So if they can't or won't, then what?

Accept that they'll be fat and have lots of health problems?

Force them to go to the gym and eat healthy?

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crowman2010 said:

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Wife and I have been on this for about 7 months now. I'm down 50lbs, she's down 40. Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym. We feel great now and have gone into a maintenance mode.

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"Has been great for people who simply can't or do not want to make time for the gym."

you see nothing wrong with this statement?

from an individual's health, or a well functioning society aspect?

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I never said that I don't think more people should go to the gym. But for those who CAN'T or WON'T, this is a fantastic alternative to keep weight off - which I do believe is a huge benefit to society overall.

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Its insulin, calories don't matter. Insulin is a storage hormone, it has to do something with the sugars, so they go back to the liver and get turned into fat for storage and use later. But because fatties don't use the energy it just keep storing fat, leading to fatty liver and fat around the midsection (and organs).

Amount of calories dont matter, its carbs and insulin. Sugar from Fruit, sodas, bread, or anything else. Insulin resistance is the problem!

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This is 100% incorrect. Excess calories are absolutely stored as fat. Excess glucose is also stored as fat.

I love how Texags brings out all the experts on every subject. And it always turns out that the experts are experts in every subject even without any work experience or schooling, just tribal knowledge or their sincerely held beliefs. The "conservatives" also show their own desire for authoritarianism as long they agree with the authoritarians. Say, isn't it time for another porn should be outlawed thread?

I am curious though - the poster that said you should try steroids - what doctor is prescribing those? Do I have to make up some symptoms to get it and have the insurance company cover it?

Like I say about the vax: not my problem. Take away.

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I love how Texags brings out all the experts on every subject. And it always turns out that the experts are experts in every subject even without any work experience or schooling, just tribal knowledge or their sincerely held beliefs. The "conservatives" also show their own desire for authoritarianism as long they agree with the authoritarians. Say, isn't it time for another porn should be outlawed thread?

I am curious though - the poster that said you should try steroids - what doctor is prescribing those? Do I have to make up some symptoms to get it and have the insurance company cover it?

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You come here for comedy like myself. Cheers to you, sir!

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I love how Texags brings out all the experts on every subject. And it always turns out that the experts are experts in every subject even without any work experience or schooling, just tribal knowledge or their sincerely held beliefs. The "conservatives" also show their own desire for authoritarianism as long they agree with the authoritarians. Say, isn't it time for another porn should be outlawed thread?

I am curious though - the poster that said you should try steroids - what doctor is prescribing those? Do I have to make up some symptoms to get it and have the insurance company cover it?

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I swear that if there is one thing that I have learned from F16 over the years, is that the conservative right is just as susceptible to the headline/meme propaganda as anyone on the left. Been a conservative all my life but here I just feel like an actual moderate sometimes.

Extreme right? Extreme left? Same thing to me these days. Cue the Spider-Man pointing meme.

To get back on topic though, consider me one of those who is extremely biased against drugs, personally. I think they are overprescribed and in many cases, more harmful than helpful. Mixed with personal anecdotes both first and second hand that has made me extremely wary of them. That being said, I am a realist. We can pull an F16 classic and hem and haw over accountability and self maintenance endlessly. Cool. I even agree! But guess what. It's not happening and it's not going to happen and that is our reality. So now what? Continue to grow as a nation nonstop until we collapse….well, everything? If this pill works anywhere close to what is hyped, it could be a literal national game changer. I don't know if this is for everyone but I am also open to it being an option to the populace. And I say that as someone who actually believes in an evil Big Pharma to some extent. Because let's be honest, we are in DIRE straights when it comes to our national obesity problem. Desperate even. And desperate times ya know….

I wonder how many signing up for this refused to take the vax.

I get there are side effects that can be dangerous, and I personally think most people would be better served by looking at simple things like intermittent fasting and portion control.

However, the argument that you shouldn't take Ozempic because you will gain the weight back when you stop taking it if you are not exercising and dieting properly is awfully silly. Of course that's what will happen. It's like arguing you shouldn't use toothpaste because you will just get cavities again if you stop using it anymore.

Caffeine and Bronkaid brah!

I don't understand the mentality mentioned here, how can you not make time or want to exercise and be healthy?

They're already working on a hybrid drug to address the muscle loss.

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I don't understand the mentality mentioned here, how can you not make time or want to exercise and be healthy?

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Well, then. That's the solution. Instead of anyone taking ozempic, we'll just tell them they just need to make time and want to exercise. They'll immediately realize you're right and will change every bad habit in their life to adopt your suggestion.

Why didn't doctors ever think of this before???

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Stonegateag85 said:

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I don't understand the mentality mentioned here, how can you not make time or want to exercise and be healthy?

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Well, then. That's the solution. Instead of anyone taking ozempic, we'll just tell them they just need to make time and want to exercise. They'll immediately realize you're right and will change every bad habit in their life to adopt your suggestion.

Why didn't doctors ever think of this before???

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That's the problem. We've gotten to point in society, through a confluence of factors, to where it became ok to take your health for granted and then rely on big pharma to get us out of the hole we've dug. Relying on big pharma!!! What could possibly go wrong? It's sad and pathetic.

Having kids kicked my already healthy life into high gear. I want to be around to be active in my grandkids life the way mine are now. Can't and won't just don't compute in my tiny little brain.

Will this help you get under 12% body fat?

I might hop in line if it does.

Get punitive with it and charge them out the ass for insurance.

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Ag with kids said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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I don't understand the mentality mentioned here, how can you not make time or want to exercise and be healthy?

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Well, then. That's the solution. Instead of anyone taking ozempic, we'll just tell them they just need to make time and want to exercise. They'll immediately realize you're right and will change every bad habit in their life to adopt your suggestion.

Why didn't doctors ever think of this before???

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That's the problem. We've gotten to point in society, through a confluence of factors, to where it became ok to take your health for granted and then rely on big pharma to get us out of the hole we've dug. Relying on big pharma!!! What could possibly go wrong? It's sad and pathetic.

Having kids kicked my already healthy life into high gear. I want to be around to be active in my grandkids life the way mine are now. Can't and won't just don't compute in my tiny little brain.

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And what's your solution?

BTW, I know that the current enemy of F16 is big pharma now, but is medicine THAT bad?

If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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Get punitive with it and charge them out the ass for insurance.

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So, they don't get medical help because they can't afford it?

Then, they're even unhealthier. Now what? Let them die?

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When can we sue Monsanto for poisoning us?

Oh we can't because Soros bought Monsanto stock and they have government protection

So please drug me - drug me harder daddy

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WTF does this have to do with this thread?

As a side note, I find it amusing when the the Venn diagram of hard core liberals and hard core conservatives when it comes to Monsanto/GMO is essentially one circle.

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You tell me -

The topic is a miracle weight loss drug that could boost GDP in America. America used to be a skinny normal country and now it isn't. Need me to go on?

The same people poisoning the population want to now sell it a diet drug. It's sad really, sad.

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gonemaroon said:

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When can we sue Monsanto for poisoning us?

Oh we can't because Soros bought Monsanto stock and they have government protection

So please drug me - drug me harder daddy

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WTF does this have to do with this thread?

As a side note, I find it amusing when the the Venn diagram of hard core liberals and hard core conservatives when it comes to Monsanto/GMO is essentially one circle.

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You tell me -

The topic is a miracle weight loss drug that could boost GDP in America. America used to be a skinny normal country and now it isn't. Need me to go on?

The same people poisoning the population want to now sell it a diet drug. It's sad really, sad.

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Monsanto makes Ozempic?

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Tergdor said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Once you start you can't stop, right? So it's like Ozempic.

Stonegateag85 said:

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They're already working on a hybrid drug to address the muscle loss.

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Thanks Stone

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Nanomachines son said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Once you start you can't stop, right? So it's like Ozempic.

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With HCG you can stop.

It's far better than ozempic because it won't destroy your digestive system. By the time you medically qualify for it, your endocrine system is already ****ed anyway so does it really matter if it messes it up at that point?

The issue from men I know that are on it is that your blood gets thick. You need to give blood regularly to offset this. This can increase cardiovascular events. Prostate cancer is another one. I'll probably get check when I turn 45 and make a determination then. The reviews are pretty incredible.

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Nanomachines son said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Once you start you can't stop, right? So it's like Ozempic.

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With HCG you can stop.

It's far better than ozempic because it won't destroy your digestive system. By the time you medically qualify for it, your endocrine system is already ****ed anyway so does it really matter if it messes it up at that point?

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Where is the notion that you can't stop taking Ozempic coming from?

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Nanomachines son said:

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techno-ag said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Tergdor said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Once you start you can't stop, right? So it's like Ozempic.

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With HCG you can stop.

It's far better than ozempic because it won't destroy your digestive system. By the time you medically qualify for it, your endocrine system is already ****ed anyway so does it really matter if it messes it up at that point?

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Where is the notion that you can't stop taking Ozempic coming from?

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It comes from you'll be a fatty again if you quit taking it

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Nanomachines son said:

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techno-ag said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Stonegateag85 said:

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If you're sub 20, TRT might be a better option. Every dude over 40 is going on TRT now and has abs.

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I'm probably too young for a doctor to be willing to put me on TRT, although I do know it would basically do the same thing.

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The need for TRT is based entirely on your testosterone levels. If you are low (aka under 400) then you medically qualify.

Once you have kids there is little reason not to do it.

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Once you start you can't stop, right? So it's like Ozempic.

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With HCG you can stop.

It's far better than ozempic because it won't destroy your digestive system. By the time you medically qualify for it, your endocrine system is already ****ed anyway so does it really matter if it messes it up at that point?

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Where is the notion that you can't stop taking Ozempic coming from?

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No one taking it learns any self discipline, it just shuts down their digestive system by literally paralyzing it. So when they stop the people balloon up again.