Tucker: Moscow is so much cleaner, and safer, prettier than any city in USA

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rgvag11
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3:32p, 2/13/24

Is Tucker considering moving to Moscow? I hear authoritarian police states are lovely this time of year.

ETA: I'm guessing he never saw how the common folk live. Or doesn't care.










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Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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In reply to rgvag11 • 3:35p, 2/13/24
AG
Did you not understand his point or something?

What is it with this board constantly mischaracterizing or taking things out of context to try and prove a point lately?
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3:36p, 2/13/24
AG
Any city? ANY city? No need for hyperbolic sycophantic banter. I appreciate the bold interview so we can get insight into Putin but you don't have to go that far.

Tucker is a believer in a sort of populist authoritarian nationalism insofar as it keeps things neat and orderly and the trains run on time and the people's need are met so he can sort of admire the ability of a strong man to do that sort of thing.

I think it sort of glosses over the cultural elements involved and that Moscow is still the showpiece of Russia, and is not permitted to be disorderly by the authorities. How they do that out of sight isn't always so pleasant or civil.
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3:36p, 2/13/24
AG
I mean. It's an opinion, so maybe don't put more than two cents into it.

But have you asked yourself, what if he's right and our big cities are run by people with an obviously failed ideology that is a cancer to our society? Why do so many people suffer in big cities? What if we had a way to convince people that the cities they are in are not run adequately and there needs to be a change in ideology to make it better?
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3:43p, 2/13/24
I thought the same thing about Singapore when I went there a couple of times in the 80's. Unbelievably clean and orderly for a big city.
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Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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3:46p, 2/13/24
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Hypothetical: would you feel safer walking around Moscow at night (you look like yourself, but nobody knows you're an American) or say the west side or south side of Chicago at night (you look just like yourself)?

I'm going with the unknown of Moscow because what will happen in Chi-Town is a given.
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3:48p, 2/13/24
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Monoculture
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 3:49p, 2/13/24
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Suckers.

Diversity is our strength.




…or something.
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3:51p, 2/13/24
He should check out how much cleaner, safer, and prettier Pyongyang is.
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3:53p, 2/13/24
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Uncontrolled immigration is unaffordable
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3:55p, 2/13/24
I've seen many cities around the world that fit what Tucket is saying, I'm sure many Americans have. And for the cast majority of people, we then come back and prefer living in the U.S. over any of those.

There's a reason for that for every one of those people.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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3:56p, 2/13/24
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It amazes me how many people that love to tear down America constantly then get super defensive when someone points out the obvious. Tucker isn't saying he likes Putin or would want to live in Russia. He's just stating facts. Critical thinking seems to be lost on so many.

Kind of like the Zeihan video where he calls Tucker "Putin's Puppet" and rails on him but never actually talks about the interview. Instead he just starts talking about the status of the war. The irony is Zeihan actually agrees with much of what Tucker says about Russia, he just says it in a different way. For instance most people don't understand the history on Russia and why they feel threatened. They just assume Putin is invading Ukraine in some play for world dominance or some other stupidity.

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3:57p, 2/13/24
AG
He would have been 100% correct if he said major city.

Compare San Fran to Moscow? LMAO!!
LA?
Seattle?
Chicago?
NYC?

Or, probably should have said any city with a Soros DA. That would have REALLY triggered these folks.
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4:08p, 2/13/24
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I don't follow Jack but this was shared with me earlier. There's certainly nothing in the US that compares to this aesthetic, which is what Tucker mentioned...

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4:13p, 2/13/24
He did say our cities used to be like that or better.
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 4:14p, 2/13/24
RED AG 98 said:
I don't follow Jack but this was shared with me earlier. There's certainly nothing in the US that compares to this aesthetic, which is what Tucker mentioned...



I'm no lover of Russia, but what he said is correct based on all I saw there in 2018. And we all commented on it at the time. But you know what? So is Zagreb in Croatia and other cities that have maintained their demographic integrity. In other words, some countries' cities aren't their dumping grounds like in the US and England and France. In Zagreb there were groups of 3 or 4 9 year old girls running around without parents at the city square at night like we used to do at our local mall.
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4:16p, 2/13/24
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This is just the latest incident on NY subways.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/bronx-subway-gunmen-on-the-loose-after-killing-bystander-injuring-5-others-as-cops-release-first-photos-of-suspects/ar-BB1ie0U1
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Deadly NYC subway shooting was sparked by gang rivalry, suspects remain on loose: cops

Story by Haley Brown, Larry Celona, Joe Marino, Jorge Fitz-Gibbon
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13076025/Bronx-New-York-City-subway-station-shooting.html
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Man, 35, is shot dead and five people are injured in bloody shooting on New York City subway at rush hour: Cops hunt gunmen on the run
  • Shots were fired on the uptown 4 platform in the Bronx in New York City tonight
  • The violence broke out after a fight started on a train car and continued outside
By MACKENZIE TATANANNI FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 17:18 EST, 12 February 2024 | UPDATED: 22:03 EST, 12 February 2024

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In reply to Joes • 4:16p, 2/13/24
AG
I agree. The Eastern European countries I've visited had amazing countryside and incredibly beautiful cities. None of which were "better" than any piece of soil in the US.
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4:17p, 2/13/24
AG
Besides Moscow, Tucker also mentioned Singapore, Tokyo, Dubai, and Abu Dhabi - all cities I've been to. and in contrast, he mentioned New York, Paris, and London - and I think Chicago - also all cities I've been to. and Tucker is not wrong.


Watch the whole forum interview for context:

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4:21p, 2/13/24
Hmmmm. Anecdotal evidence is very popular.
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4:22p, 2/13/24
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I went to Google Maps, and dropped a the street view in a random place and viola, I got crumbling buildings, one visible broken window immediately, graffiti on buildings, and a street scape that looks like virtually every dense city core I've ever been to in the United States.

Being a tourist gives you an unrealistic impression of pretty much every place, especially those places that cultivate their appearance carefully.
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4:26p, 2/13/24
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It's also February. Was everything tucker saw just a beautiful clean white?
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In reply to oh no • 4:26p, 2/13/24
St. Petersburg Russia was stunning to visit during the winter time. Hopefully to be able to go back one day with the wife.
"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
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4:30p, 2/13/24
Every major city in the US that I can think of is clearly on the decline, turning into a cesspool over time, some quicker than others. Not sure if Moscow is nicer or not, but our cities are a disgrace.
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In reply to JJxvi • 4:35p, 2/13/24
JJxvi said:
I went to Google Maps, and dropped a the street view in a random place and viola, I got crumbling buildings, one visible broken window immediately, graffiti on buildings, and a street scape that looks like virtually every dense city core I've ever been to in the United States.

Being a tourist gives you an unrealistic impression of pretty much every place, especially those places that cultivate their appearance carefully.



That's certainly true to a degree, but usually I travel to the more exotic places with a group of around 30-40 and within that there are 3 of us close friends that go off on our own on these trips at night. No guard rails. We've Ubered at will all over Cairo, Moscow, St Petersburg, Zagreb, Cologne, Paris, etc. and sure, every city has good and bad areas, but the bottom line is that the public spaces are dramatically different in some cities vs the west. Train and bus stations, city squares, subways, government districts etc, I never felt any discomfort in many of those cities like I do in downtown Dallas at night. I can't imagine Chicago or Philadelphia or others here.
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4:49p, 2/13/24
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I wouldn't doubt the public areas are much nicer than US cities. But you know what's nicer in the US? Our homes and everything in them. There is no way their standard of living is higher than ours as far as personal wealth goes.
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4:54p, 2/13/24
There are nice parts of American cities but the reality is that we are coasting in comparison to what they were in the 1950s.

You used to be able to walk around them at night but I can't think of any major American city where I would do this, even carrying weapons.

This is what homogeneity gets you. It's what we had prior to 1960.
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In reply to javajaws • 5:02p, 2/13/24
AG
Our grocery stores and myriad of choices; not just there but in literally most every facet of life. Or at least what I percieved of those prior to current craziness.
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In reply to Some Junkie Cosmonaut • 5:07p, 2/13/24
Gee whiz I'm sure a black person wouldn't feel safe walking around Moscow at night vs downtown Houston. Stupid comparison
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In reply to Joes • 5:07p, 2/13/24
Joes said:
JJxvi said:
I went to Google Maps, and dropped a the street view in a random place and viola, I got crumbling buildings, one visible broken window immediately, graffiti on buildings, and a street scape that looks like virtually every dense city core I've ever been to in the United States.

Being a tourist gives you an unrealistic impression of pretty much every place, especially those places that cultivate their appearance carefully.



That's certainly true to a degree, but usually I travel to the more exotic places with a group of around 30-40 and within that there are 3 of us close friends that go off on our own on these trips at night. No guard rails. We've Ubered at will all over Cairo, Moscow, St Petersburg, Zagreb, Cologne, Paris, etc. and sure, every city has good and bad areas, but the bottom line is that the public spaces are dramatically different in some cities vs the west. Train and bus stations, city squares, subways, government districts etc, I never felt any discomfort in many of those cities like I do in downtown Dallas at night. I can't imagine Chicago or Philadelphia or others here.


I imagine you'd feel a little differently if you were female roaming the city at night in Cairo.

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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 5:08p, 2/13/24
Funky Winkerbean said:
Monoculture
so do you want America to only be one ethnic race? Which race gets America
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In reply to javajaws • 5:15p, 2/13/24
javajaws said:
I wouldn't doubt the public areas are much nicer than US cities. But you know what's nicer in the US? Our homes and everything in them. There is no way their standard of living is higher than ours as far as personal wealth goes.


You're very right, it's not. I don't think anyone was trying to argue that the other places are better in every way. I much prefer many aspects here. But the statement Tucker made is 100% accurate in my experience, and apparently with others here too.
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5:17p, 2/13/24
AG
Well I have been to pretty much every big city in the lower 48 and they are all unlivable garbage pits, run by leftist dims who are more Marxist than Putin.

And I've also been to big cities in other countries, including some "developing" countries, that seemed cleaner and safer than our dim run garbage pits.

So there is that…
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5:20p, 2/13/24
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It's hard to compare cities with different historical ages. Much of America arose as utilitarian boomtowns during the Industrial Revolution, as opposed to Moscow which is 1,000 years old. That being said, there's no excuse for the filth and homelessness that we allow. Most American cities will never achieve the historical beauty of old European polities, but it is inexcusable for our major cities to be run into the ground the way the Democrats have done for the past 70 years.
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5:21p, 2/13/24
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Reminds me of the Dixie Chicks.
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