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Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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Joes said:

As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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El Gallo Blanco said:

I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

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Joes said:

Sure, I've got guns too and am happy to have them, I just don't have any illusions about joining some great citizen army. I think that's fantasy.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

I don't either, I just want to live a normal life and be left alone. But let's revisit when times are truly tough...wait until everyone but the upper upper class is struggling, the constitution is basically a meaningless piece of paper, there are no govt checks and balances, and the govt is starting to loot peoples retirement funds and bank accounts. It's not crazy to think we are creeping in that direction. At some point, I would imagine that every society to ever exist considered the idea of societal collapse, implosion, or revolution was "crazy talk".

The government clearly considers the armed right half of this country some sort of threat. Even if only small pockets or isolated actors could potentially act out for now. Can you imagine a Great Depression 2.0 for example? Society would lose it's collective mind, and so would our government.

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You're right, and it's impossible to predict the future in any detail. I certainly don't think societal collapse is unthinkable, whether because of an individual event or just a gradual slide. I'm just extremely pessimistic about our current population being able to handle it. And you're right, people are simply the product of the times they're brought up in. But never has any group of humans had a softer life than modern Americans. So my expectations are low.

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Agreed. George Washington would be a schmuck working a normal 9 to 5, binge watching Netflix and b*tching on his cell phone, if born in the 80's or 90's. Harsh reality. Hard times create strong men...and we have yet to face the hard times.

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Hello fellow militia men.

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Shoefly! said:

Is that the Brownshirt Statsi flag?

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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Joes said:

As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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El Gallo Blanco said:

I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

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Joes said:

Sure, I've got guns too and am happy to have them, I just don't have any illusions about joining some great citizen army. I think that's fantasy.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

I don't either, I just want to live a normal life and be left alone. But let's revisit when times are truly tough...wait until everyone but the upper upper class is struggling, the constitution is basically a meaningless piece of paper, there are no govt checks and balances, and the govt is starting to loot peoples retirement funds and bank accounts. It's not crazy to think we are creeping in that direction. At some point, I would imagine that every society to ever exist considered the idea of societal collapse, implosion, or revolution was "crazy talk".

The government clearly considers the armed right half of this country some sort of threat. Even if only small pockets or isolated actors could potentially act out for now. Can you imagine a Great Depression 2.0 for example? Society would lose it's collective mind, and so would our government.

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Joes said:

You're right, and it's impossible to predict the future in any detail. I certainly don't think societal collapse is unthinkable, whether because of an individual event or just a gradual slide. I'm just extremely pessimistic about our current population being able to handle it. And you're right, people are simply the product of the times they're brought up in. But never has any group of humans had a softer life than modern Americans. So my expectations are low.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

Agreed. George Washington would be a schmuck working a normal 9 to 5, binge watching Netflix and b*tching on his cell phone, if born in the 80's or 90's. Harsh reality. Hard times create strong men...and we have yet to face the hard times.

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Yep. It's one of the reasons I sort of smirk at the "Greatest Generation" talk. I mean you can respect them and what they went through, but it's not like they were genetically different. But when your childhood is the Great Depression and your young adulthood is WW2 then yeah, you're gonna be hardened. If they were born in 1980 or 2000 the same people would be very different.

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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Texas National Guard

#texit

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Jock 07 said:

*Texas State Guard

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You do realize Texas would be a NATION post -Texit?

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Community based militias, lightly regulated by individual states, protecting the rights of citizens

Since forever

Looking for a serious discussion as to the legal realities and the ability to protect states rights and private property.

This entire state sovereignty issue continues to percolate in my mind, that the only way to protect the state of Texas from invasion is for individual citizen groups to protect it.

That being said, I have no idea how to do that how to stand them up, and if Abbot would even support it.

However, there has to be a vehicle for citizens to take action


And yes, I know, Oklahoma City, beer gut, brigades, and crazy dudes are not what I'm talking about.

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It may not be what you're talking about...but I'm afraid that's who will be answering the call. I'm sorry, but barring a real invasion by another country (not Canada or Mexico....the beer gut brigade could handle those) you are not going to see people give up their livelihoods. You might have some on the border, but this isn't going to happen in meaningful numbers and not as a challenge to state and federal forces.

If I'm an employer and my staff wants arbitrarily leave to go 'take action' as citizens, I might support it...up until the minute it costs me money. Their are so many logistical problems that would come with such an effort that it makes no sense to scale up to that degree unless we are under attack....and I mean in the Red Dawn sense.

If people want to take action, maybe Abbott should form a new border force or expand the Texas Guard.

I get a sense that some people are romanticizing the idea of being in a patriotic militia. Its all fun and games until you can't finish paying for the $90k King Ranch you just bought.

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Community based militias, lightly regulated by individual states, protecting the rights of citizens

Since forever

Looking for a serious discussion as to the legal realities and the ability to protect states rights and private property.

This entire state sovereignty issue continues to percolate in my mind, that the only way to protect the state of Texas from invasion is for individual citizen groups to protect it.

That being said, I have no idea how to do that how to stand them up, and if Abbot would even support it.

However, there has to be a vehicle for citizens to take action


And yes, I know, Oklahoma City, beer gut, brigades, and crazy dudes are not what I'm talking about.

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It was from some supposed pro-Trump/far right/MAGA rally, which was so obviously a fed operation to try to suck in Trump supporters and maybe if lucky, end with violence. At the very least they were hoping some actual white supremacists would show up to fuel the white supremist narrative. Turned out to be total dud, but those guys were photographed there and it is obvious they're all feds.

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Judging from the attitudes and actions of the ruling elites on the left towards the 2A, I don't think they believe it is worthless now. They still act scared as **** of citizens with guns.

Always bring back the Texas Marines - Marines Corps of the Republic of Texas

Sheriff's Posse's in each county, then if it hits the fan, consolidate it at state level as a re militarized Texas Rangers.

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Sheriff's Posse's in each county, then if it hits the fan, consolidate it at state level as a re militarized Texas Rangers.

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That might hit the right balance. Regulated but expanded enough that you could have a portion of the county available
For call up.

The issue that keeps circulating in my
Mind is what about Travis, Dallas and harris counties? What type of people show up to serve there? Soccer moms? Communist? Black Panthers?

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Sheriff's Posse's in each county, then if it hits the fan, consolidate it at state level as a re militarized Texas Rangers.

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oldord said:

That might hit the right balance. Regulated but expanded enough that you could have a portion of the county available
For call up.

The issue that keeps circulating in my
Mind is what about Travis, Dallas and harris counties? What type of people show up to serve there? Soccer moms? Communist? Black Panthers?

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There is McBrides in Travis, so there are people, but to your point in those counties, maybe it's a Rangers Posse to keep them out of control of the liberal county Judge's.

Not sure militias are the answer, too many untrained yahoos get in the way and it's an open excuse to be J6th by the alphabet groups.

However we can't lose sight of the real actual fact that It only took 19 Terrorists, here legally on stamped passport visas, to kill thousands on 9/11 and take down the twin towers, fly into the pentagon, and lawn dart a plane full of innocent people into the ground in Pennsylvania!

The Biden regime has allowed upwards of 10 million unvetted illegal aliens millions of military age to Invade Us!

This madness HAS to stop!!!!!!

When these enemies of the state tell us that soon we'll know who they are, we better listen. There are endless Jihad blogs and chat forums just like TA where these USA hating radicals plot constantly, use rhetoric far worse than anything the J6 people got thrown under the jail over. Why isn't the FBI rounding up these people like they did the hundreds of J6 people and even people that never set foot near the capitol.

For those that think these millions of people invading from the south are just here to find a better life STOP burying your heads in the sand. Hate Trump all you want but he's been on this from the beginning.

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*Texas State Guard

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Not sure why this should even be discussed. Zero chance of it happening from a legal perspective. "Lightly governed by the states" lol.

Also I don't see what benefit it would bring to the community. What would be the mission statement of these "patriots", dale dribble?

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oldord said:

Guys like you crack me up. You sit back and pontificate and then once somebody actually sets it up and gets going, you jump on board and tell everybody you were the first people to support it.

Also, not every organization Hass to be regionally organized. Do you think every organization that helps with natural disasters has a bold and rigid articulated mission?

As you can see from the comments, here you were in the minority.

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Yessir, forgive me, you are correct. There is legal justification for a loosely organized group of citizens with arms to gather, train, and be ready for whatever is next. This is very logical and seems like it could be a reality in a mere matter of years.

What world are you living in gramps? Maybe go back to the flip phone, hug your grandkids, and stay out of the internet basement.

This is not even worth calling it a pipe dream. As my initial post said. Not even worth a discussion. You're living in la la land. Every Texas Metro is deep blue. The world isn't like it was in the 1860s, and divorce just isn't any where close to a realistic option, regardless of how hard you try to keyboard warrior it to be so.

Just stop. Please.

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WestHoustonAg79 said:

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Not sure why this should even be discussed. Zero chance of it happening from a legal perspective. "Lightly governed by the states" lol.

Also I don't see what benefit it would bring to the community. What would be the mission statement of these "patriots", dale dribble?

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oldord said:

Guys like you crack me up. You sit back and pontificate and then once somebody actually sets it up and gets going, you jump on board and tell everybody you were the first people to support it.

Also, not every organization Hass to be regionally organized. Do you think every organization that helps with natural disasters has a bold and rigid articulated mission?

As you can see from the comments, here you were in the minority.

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Yall just love this type of **** yall know will never happen. Kudos to you. I wish I had the smaller mental capacity to ignorance and hang my hat on situations that will never come to being. Got dam the docs seem to have left the asylum today on f16

Militia are good guys; pro-constitution
There's already a word for bad guy groups; terrorists
This bill is to turn the good guys into bad guys: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6981/text/ih

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Militia are good guys; pro-constitution
There's already a word for bad guy groups; terrorists
This bill is to turn the good guys into bad guys: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6981/text/ih

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What would this militia do that was good for the community and what authority would they have?

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Militia are good guys; pro-constitution

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Does this include left wing militias or militia style groups?

Militia have been crucial in serving the US best interests since it's inspection. See "minute men". Our republic's best interests are defined by the constitution.

One of my co-workers, a great guy who was born in Iran but got out with his family when the Shah fell, said a bunch of the men at his mosque were talking about forming a militia to protect the mosque from the government and others. I told him I thought he was just trying to come up with a legitimate reason for cosplaying the AR-15 he just bought.

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One of my co-workers, a great guy who was born in Iran but got out with his family when the Shah fell, said a bunch of the men at his mosque were talking about forming a militia to protect the mosque from the government and others. I told him I thought he was just trying to come up with a legitimate reason for cosplaying the AR-15 he just bought.

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He sees a legitimate reason for why militias are needed in case government pushes too far and you belittle his desire to protect his livelihood and keep said government in check?

He sounds like the rational one in your story and you the head in the sand type, no offense.

Organized Community watch organizations that just happen to have personal firearms and perhaps some organized group training . If you're in the right counties maybe let the county sheriff know that you'd like to coordinate with them and assist if they happen to need any.

Why wouldn't it? No matter the ideology Americans shouldn't be arrested for their beliefs but rather their actions. If anyone acts against the law they then suffer the consequence. e.g. I don't give my kids a timeout if they could break a rule rather if they do break a rule. This is why law enforcement is reactive rather than preventative, but preventative crosses the line to totalitarianism.

Just watch. When it hits the fan, you will be the first clamoring to be protected

Amazing how short sighted some folks are. Just intentionally oblivious.

Weak minded people…smh.

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Just watch. When it hits the fan, you will be the first clamoring to be protected

Amazing how short sighted some folks are. Just intentionally oblivious.

Weak minded people…smh.

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How long have you been crying about things hitting the fan? Just bc you keyboard warrior it for 50 years doesn't make it happen gramps.

or we could have just elected DeSantis who would take care of what needs to be done.

but sure, forming militias is much easier than that!

How about help local law enforcement maintain safety and order in disasters , natural and otherwise?

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Why wouldn't it? No matter the ideology Americans shouldn't be arrested for their beliefs but rather their actions. If anyone acts against the law they then suffer the consequence. e.g. I don't give my kids a timeout if they could break a rule rather if they do break a rule. This is why law enforcement is reactive rather than preventative, but preventative crosses the line to totalitarianism.

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How about help local law enforcement maintain safety and order in disasters , natural and otherwise?

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So like the Texas rangers and the national guard? Plus FEMA and Red Cross?

No. Not like those because the local militias ( I prefer to call them Community watch organizations)would consist of people from a local community that have a common goal to make their specific area better for its populace . People that already live there and can respond right now in a crisis and can better prepare as a group to respond to the kinds of crisis a specific community might see.

I'm talking small level as in neighborhoods, Small towns, apartment complexes , etc. I am aware this could be seen by local first responders as someone else getting in the way but I am talking about either response to help or stabilize until the first responders get there and then only continue to help if the first responders need it , or perhaps if the group has previously coordinated with the local first responders they might actually call the group for help if they felt like they needed it. That sort of thing.

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One of my co-workers, a great guy who was born in Iran but got out with his family when the Shah fell, said a bunch of the men at his mosque were talking about forming a militia to protect the mosque from the government and others. I told him I thought he was just trying to come up with a legitimate reason for cosplaying the AR-15 he just bought.

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Tea Party said:

He sees a legitimate reason for why militias are needed in case government pushes too far and you belittle his desire to protect his livelihood and keep said government in check?

He sounds like the rational one in your story and you the head in the sand type, no offense.

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Exactly. Also they try to label things "cosplay" but its what smooth brains do. Bringing out the rifles to train is important for citizen militias.