Not sure why this should even be discussed. Zero chance of it happening from a legal perspective. "Lightly governed by the states" lol.

Also I don't see what benefit it would bring to the community. What would be the mission statement of these "patriots", dale dribble?

Past time

Any real action will be deemed as "FEDs" by the people who allowed us to get in this situation.

JohnFootball2 said:

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Any real action will be deemed as "FEDs" by the people who allowed us to get in this situation.

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Agree and I am usually one of the first to call someone out when it seems suspicious.

Could anybody have their own militia?

Well if you do, be real cautious and don't let anyone buy you even so much as a beer and don't buy or contribute to anything. RICO waiting to happen.

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oh boy you just lit up on the Biden Gestapo radar.....

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"Just"?

Thanks to the Patriot Act, the "lit" is nonstop 24/7.

Trust me, they've always been watching.

So you're telling me.... there are actually people who aren't in militias?

Op never posts here then posts this ? Don't take the bait

Its always been interesting to me that whenever those that hate the Second Amendment "argue" that it only applies to "well regulated militias," they don't realize that they themselves would be the first to accuse such militias of being white supremest groups. Not to mention individuals in illegal possession of weapons.

To these people, the Second Amendment is a chicken-and-egg problem: you can't have gun rights without militias and you can't have militias because there are no individual gun rights. That and the racist angle, but everyone they disagree with gets called that.

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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What are you personally doing that the "sheep" aren't? Just buying some guns and posting on the internet?

https://tmd.texas.gov/pay-benefits

Philip J Fry said:

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Hello fellow militia men.

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Is that the Brownshirt Statsi flag?

Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

What is this, like a union?

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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Not if they were born into the comfortable times we were born in. That is the troubling thing. They'd be pvssies who just b*tched online but didn't want to throw their lives away...like the rest of us.

The constitution makes them legal. Freedom of association and the right to assemble. What they are allowed to do is a bit limited.

For what it is worth, if you are the age for military service, you are sort of by default militia. Whether you chose to self organize at need or let the state do it got you is sort of up to you or the state.

I think where people get sideways is the idea that people that form organized militias in recent decades have often done so around a set of politics that is considered rather extreme outliers on the far left or far right, or based around some ideology that is niche, and some had a tendency to engage in conduct that ran afoul of the law, which drew negative attention to all of them as a category. Many of them have been anti-authoritarian to include the elected government and activities that go beyond political rhetoric and activism on that vein get close scrutiny from the authorities.

But, the definition of militia is historically much more expansive than that, and in theory there is no harm done in organizing a group as a militia providing it operates consistent with the laws and following the constitutional rights and legal constraints on its behaviors.

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Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Joes said:

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Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

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Sure, I've got guns too and am happy to have them, I just don't have any illusions about joining some great citizen army. I think that's fantasy.

Joes said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Joes said:

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Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

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Sure, I've got guns too and am happy to have them, I just don't have any illusions about joining some great citizen army. I think that's fantasy.

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I don't either, I just want to live a normal life and be left alone. But let's revisit when times are truly tough...wait until everyone but the upper upper class is struggling, the constitution is basically a meaningless piece of paper, there are no govt checks and balances, and the govt is starting to loot peoples retirement funds and bank accounts. It's not crazy to think we are creeping in that direction. At some point, I would imagine that every society to ever exist considered the idea of societal collapse, implosion, or revolution was "crazy talk".

The government clearly considers the armed right half of this country some sort of threat. Even if only small pockets or isolated actors could potentially act out for now. Can you imagine a Great Depression 2.0 for example? Society would lose it's collective mind, and so would our government.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Joes said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Joes said:

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Tea Party said:

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Founding fathers would be a lot further along in getting our country back on track than our sheep populace.

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As important as it is on paper and in principle, as a practical matter the 2nd amendment doesn't have much useful value anymore. The disparity of power between the government and the public in terms of intelligence/surveillance and military power is so exponentially huge that there is no way for the public to be a direct threat to government abuse.

But more than that, and closely related to what you said, modern life is utterly alien to that of 200 years ago. Strength of the individual and self-sufficiency and toughness are completely incompatible with the mindset of drive-thru food pickup, regular therapy and anti-depressants so people can "get through the day", and coming home from your air-conditioned office so you can "Netflix and chill".

Those are not the people that fight back against anything. "Honey, the neighbors say they're raising arms against the government, should we join in?" "Uh, what site is that on, can we do it through zoom?" "I think we actually need to leave the house and put on shoes for this." "Oh dang, well can I at last bring my DVD collection? And what will they be serving for lunch if we go?"

Yeah, good luck with that..

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I feel much better having the 2A, and more guns than humans, largely consolidated on the right though. Can we agree on that at least?

That being said, we were born into comfortable times and have been spoiled, compared to almost the entirety of people in human history.

It would take something MAJOR for armed citizens to rise up. I guarantee the govt wishes we didn't have more guns than humans though. It is a pesky hurdle in their eyes...forces them to play the long "slow drip" game.

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Sure, I've got guns too and am happy to have them, I just don't have any illusions about joining some great citizen army. I think that's fantasy.

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I don't either, I just want to live a normal life and be left alone. But let's revisit when times are truly tough...wait until everyone but the upper upper class is struggling, the constitution is basically a meaningless piece of paper, there are no govt checks and balances, and the govt is starting to loot peoples retirement funds and bank accounts. It's not crazy to think we are creeping in that direction. At some point, I would imagine that every society to ever exist considered the idea of societal collapse, implosion, or revolution was "crazy talk".

The government clearly considers the armed right half of this country some sort of threat. Even if only small pockets or isolated actors could potentially act out for now. Can you imagine a Great Depression 2.0 for example? Society would lose it's collective mind, and so would our government.

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You're right, and it's impossible to predict the future in any detail. I certainly don't think societal collapse is unthinkable, whether because of an individual event or just a gradual slide. I'm just extremely pessimistic about our current population being able to handle it. And you're right, people are simply the product of the times they're brought up in. But never has any group of humans had a softer life than modern Americans. So my expectations are low.