bobbranco said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Meh. Don Jr. doesn't have the same panache as his father. Nor does he have as much experience.

If he's really serious, he needs to run for something else first, Congress, Governor, etc.

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Unfortunately, there is a segment of MAGA (not saying you're in it by any means) that would jump on the Jr train if Trump tells them to by endorsing him.

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On the other hand many fell in line with McCain and Romney...

I think the brow beating and infighting is unnecessary. What the point?

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That people will vote for him merely because Trump tells them to do so?

It looks pretty clear in my post...

Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

I read your post and it was clear.
Thanks for the reminder that it was posted.

Very well.

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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DeSantis will ride in like a boss in 2028...just to see Junior running as MAGA 3.0 and getting cock-blocked again. MAGA will never vote one day for Ron DeSantis. They will vote for Trump, his kids, or whoever Trump tells them to vote for, which will never be DeSantis.

Idiocracy in Full Throttle. Can only imagine how stupid things will be in the Guilfoyle Bowl in 2028 when DTJ faces Newsom. The tweets and memes will be so killer...as will the chances the GOP ever has of winning the White House again anytime soon again.

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Ag with kids said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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DeSantis will ride in like a boss in 2028...just to see Junior running as MAGA 3.0 and getting cock-blocked again. MAGA will never vote one day for Ron DeSantis. They will vote for Trump, his kids, or whoever Trump tells them to vote for, which will never be DeSantis.

Idiocracy in Full Throttle. Can only imagine how stupid things will be in the Guilfoyle Bowl in 2028 when DTJ faces Newsom. The tweets and memes will be so killer...as will the chances the GOP ever has of winning the White House again anytime soon again.

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I know...

I made the post half-tongue in cheek. But, I know that MAGA will do what you said, unfortunately.

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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In theory, yes. Some short term losses can yield long term results. But that takes away from the "most important election ever" mantra as well as the "if you don't vote GOP you may as well vote D" ridiculous narrative that people foolishly parade .

I'm all for taking short term losses with the hopes it wakes up the populace and especially the GOP to quit running establishment types, but my worry is that the people and GOP will naively think they need to drift left in order to compete with the D's that just won.

It's a double edged sword and relies on faith that the populace doesn't fall for the trap of drifting left. I am losing more faith in the populace each year though, but hope they surprise me.

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JWinTX said:

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Ag with kids said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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DeSantis will ride in like a boss in 2028...just to see Junior running as MAGA 3.0 and getting cock-blocked again. MAGA will never vote one day for Ron DeSantis. They will vote for Trump, his kids, or whoever Trump tells them to vote for, which will never be DeSantis.

Idiocracy in Full Throttle. Can only imagine how stupid things will be in the Guilfoyle Bowl in 2028 when DTJ faces Newsom. The tweets and memes will be so killer...as will the chances the GOP ever has of winning the White House again anytime soon again.

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I know...

I made the post half-tongue in cheek. But, I know that MAGA will do what you said, unfortunately.

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Actually, and respectrfully, y'all don't have any clue what 2028 will look like at this point...

Y'all are mad and venting and just throwing scenarios up against the wall based on your current frustration levels...

There are still many dynamics and unknowns that could affect so many things about the 2028 political landscape, and y'all don't have any more clue as to what will happen than I do...

Example...say Trump wins the general in 2024 and take someone like Haley wtih him as VP...I think Haley becomes the presumed frontrunner that someone like DeSantis would have to battle in 2028...

What happens if Trump isn't able to complete his second term and hsi VP, whether it's Haley or anyone else takes over...they then become the 2028 frontrunner...assuming they want to run... But then let's say the D's pull their **** in that kind of scenario and try to impeach the VP now P...then what?

Some of y'all need to quit the "woe is me" crap and accept that no one has one damn clue what is going to happen in November of 2024, at this very moment...let alone in 2028 primaries...

Relax and stop assuming everything is doom and gloom...

LMAO at such TDS that some are afraid of Jr running for POTUS.

Some on here have it worse than even most libs.

Did you see the news reports with Kamala losing it on The View? She's scared as heck.

bobbranco said:

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Did you see the news reports with Kamala losing it on The View? She's scared as heck.

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LOL, no I missed that one.

And the narrative they have chosen is a very silly one. Protect Democracy? He's going to hammer home censorship, government working with social media, and on and on and on.

Similarly to how he turned the narrative "fake news" from a lib talking point to hammering the MSM, he's going to turn the narrative "save democracy" around on them.

He may not be able to overcome the cheating, but he's going to make them cheat much worse than they did the last time to beat him.

And they KNOW it.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/01/18/kamala-harris-scared-over-trump-2024-win-cnc-vpx.cnn

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Ag with kids said:

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JWinTX said:

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Ag with kids said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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DeSantis will ride in like a boss in 2028...just to see Junior running as MAGA 3.0 and getting cock-blocked again. MAGA will never vote one day for Ron DeSantis. They will vote for Trump, his kids, or whoever Trump tells them to vote for, which will never be DeSantis.

Idiocracy in Full Throttle. Can only imagine how stupid things will be in the Guilfoyle Bowl in 2028 when DTJ faces Newsom. The tweets and memes will be so killer...as will the chances the GOP ever has of winning the White House again anytime soon again.

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I know...

I made the post half-tongue in cheek. But, I know that MAGA will do what you said, unfortunately.

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Actually, and respectrfully, y'all don't have any clue what 2028 will look like at this point...

Y'all are mad and venting and just throwing scenarios up against the wall based on your current frustration levels...

There are still many dynamics and unknowns that could affect so many things about the 2028 political landscape, and y'all don't have any more clue as to what will happen than I do...

Example...say Trump wins the general in 2024 and take someone like Haley wtih him as VP...I think Haley becomes the presumed frontrunner that someone like DeSantis would have to battle in 2028...

What happens if Trump isn't able to complete his second term and hsi VP, whether it's Haley or anyone else takes over...they then become the 2028 frontrunner...assuming they want to run... But then let's say the D's pull their **** in that kind of scenario and try to impeach the VP now P...then what?

Some of y'all need to quit the "woe is me" crap and accept that no one has one damn clue what is going to happen in November of 2024, at this very moment...let alone in 2028 primaries...

Relax and stop assuming everything is doom and gloom...

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Or, as is most likely, Trump never sees the inside of the White House again unless he pays for the tour.

How is that "most likely"?

Trump isn't winning the general election.

40% of the country won't vote for any republican, and independents don't like Trump. Plus Trump will drive massive turnout on the left. Not a recipe for victory.

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Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) regrets not adopting a more assertive media strategy when he first announced his 2024 Republican presidential campaign last year.

When DeSantis launched his highly anticipated bid for the presidency, he was selective with what media outlets he spoke with, only making himself more available last summer when his polling and fundraising numbers had declined.

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"Presidential campaigns are a lot about media," DeSantis told Hugh Hewitt on Thursday. "I spent a lot of time on the ground in Iowa, and it's good. And when you meet people, you convert them. But there's just so many voters out there that you've got to do. And I came in not really doing as much media. I should have just been blanketing. I should have gone on all the corporate shows. I should have gone on everything."

"We had an opportunity, I think, to come out of the gate and do that and reach a much broader folk," he said. "Now, I'm everywhere. I mean, I'll show up wherever."

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"I go out and take questions from voters," he said. "I'm the only one that's not at this point running a basement campaign. Biden's running a basement campaign. Trump won't debate, won't take questions from voters. And now, Haley won't debate and won't take questions from voters."

Despite both DeSantis and Haley being walloped by Trump in Iowa, the Florida governor repeated that he had the resources to remain in the race until after Super Tuesday in March.

"If we'd won Iowa, we would have been in a great spot," he said. "Coming in second gives us the ticket to continue, but I told my people this from the very beginning. I don't want to be VP, I don't want to be in the cabinet. I don't want a TV show. I'm in it to win it, and at some point, you know, if that's not working out for you, like I recognize that this isn't a vanity thing for me."

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He also should have differentiated himself from Trump earlier by pointing out how he (DeSantis) had accomplished his promises while Trump was simply running on things he failed to deliver on in 2016. The patty-cake, play friendly strategy was a bad idea.

DeSantis never received favorable press and was pigeonholed by the press as a Trump sycophant and worse. The lawfare against Trump certainly favored Trump - duh.

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DeSantis never received favorable press and was pigeonholed by the press as a Trump sycophant and worse. The lawfare against Trump certainly favored Trump - duh.

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In the 2016 primaries, Trump was laughed at. No favorable press. Jeb Bush was the leader and got insane press. He had the war chest and the media. Trump was just laughed at and not covered by anyone, other than comedians.

Trump reached the masses with a brilliant communications campaign selling of his ideas to the public and won them over. Totally destroyed Jeb.

If DeSantis was going to win, he needed to do the same thing. But it was much easier for him, as the press was hammering Trump on everything. DeSantis didn't do anything to reach the masses. He thinks he's still running for governor where he can personally talk to every voter. Works for small, local elections. Doesn't work in national campaigns.

Trump received huge exposure in the press. All the majors made bank on him and continue to do so even though they spread propaganda and lies about him.

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Trump received huge exposure in the press. All the majors made bank on him and continue to do so even though they spread propaganda and lies about him.

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In the beginning, he didn't get any real press. But, he forced it and as the campaign continued, he was getting more and more. But, the press he got, he forced it out of the MSM.

Pretty soon, all the press was negative, but it was still press.

To win, you have to make your case to MASSES, not just a local "boots on the ground" campaign.

Good or bad, Trump's popularity is wed to American's desire for fair play. Plenty see that he got a raw deal in 2020 and sympathy from the masses, many not all, certainly helps him.

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Trump isn't winning the general election.

40% of the country won't vote for any republican, and independents don't like Trump. Plus Trump will drive massive turnout on the left. Not a recipe for victory.

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Hmmm…polling averages at the moment indicate you are incorrect…

I wouldn't discount him winning the general just yet…yeah, I think Joe Biden has been just that bad and independents who voted for him have buyer's remorse…

What I do know for certain is that it's far too early for absolutes either way…

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Ron ran 4 years too early. It really is that simple.

Had he patiently bided his time, he'd have been 48. And he still might be.

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I'll just take solace in the 1976 primaries.

Reagan ran against Ford who was also just a pseudo-incumbent that a lot of people in America didn't want (but not for anything he had done, it was Watergate and the horrible economy). Reagan lost the primary, and then Ford lost the general. But after 4 years of Carter's horrible term, Reagan came in like a boss.

Maybe 2024/2028 can be an analog for that period.

DeSantis runs against a pseudo-incumbent with a lot of baggage that a lot of people don't want to win and loses the primary. Then Trump loses the general and after 4 (more) years of Biden's incompetence, DeSantis rides in like a boss.

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After 4 more year of Biden incompetence there may not be a country for DeSantis to ride into. We cant afford 4 more years of that moron.

Man, there's a shyt-ton of Never Trumpers on here. If he's the nominee, you gonna vote Biden? Take your ball and go home? Vote third party? What?

Funny, but I never see the Dems pulling this crap.

If there's a third party candidate worth my vote, they'll get it. Otherwise I'll leave it blank or write in. And I'll vote for down ballot conservatives in a futile effort to stop the damage done by having an orange geriatric dunce at the top of the ticket.

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This is not a troll post. I'd like a discussion on DeSantis. However, if it's deemed a troll post, just say so and I'll delete my post.

Should DeSantis have embraced Trump at the beginning? Trump was the most conservative POTUS in a long time, even more than Regan according to actual conservative research. DeSantis could have ridden that and been Trump's VP. Get his name out there as a serious national contender.

He could have learned how to appeal to the masses, run an efficient NATIONAL campaign and set himself up well for 2028. But his awful campaign cost him. His campaign was such a disaster, he was able to get the most popular politician to back him and still lose by an huge margins.

And his focus was Iowa. He put everything he had there. Went out prior to the caucus and "secured" backers.

And now that term limits put him out of Florida governor role, I'm not sure what his next step is. Maybe run for congress? Dude needs to do something to get back to relevance.

He had great potential. It's too bad what he did to himself. He just wasn't ready for a national campaign.

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RDS will be fine. He ran a great campaign and his messaging was darn near perfect. Good people recognize that and his star will rise higher now that he was on the campaign trail than it would have if he stayed in Florida.

This year's presidential politics were a s*** show.

bobbranco said:

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Good or bad, Trump's popularity is wed to American's desire for fair play. Plenty see that he got a raw deal in 2020 and sympathy from the masses, many not all, certainly helps him.

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This is great insight. Completely true.

Well…if he ran a perfect campaign, he'd be the nominee, no?

He may have thought his campaign strategy was sound, but the results say it was not…

FireAg said:

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Well…if he ran a perfect campaign, he'd be the nominee, no?

He may have thought his campaign strategy was sound, but the results say it was not…

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I agree. The proof is in the pudding. A perfect campaign would have him doing better. Doesn't mean he'd beat Trump, but it'd be more competitive.

That said, who knew the perfect campaign is either hiding in the basement (biden) or being indicted multiple times over, found civilly liable of sexual assault, being found civilly liable for fraud and mostly hiding out at your (allegedly) multi-hundred million dollar estate.

I see Trump out and about nearly every single day. At rallies, in court, or today at a funeral for Melania's Mom.

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DeSantis does not owe Trump fealty for life.

Trump is not king or a god.

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Unfortunately I think we'll see Trump test these notions....Especially if SCOTUS rules in his favor on immunity

You misspelled "political persecution for fictional crimes"…

I mean he skipped debates, the only time where candidates can be infront discussing ideas between each other.

I get that Trump turns everything into a publicity stunt, including court, WWE and mma fights and funerals.

FireAg said:

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You misspelled "political persecution for fictional crimes"…

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I dont disagree. But it doesn't change the fact he's been charged with various crimes across multiple jurisdictions.

Go find my posts regarding his political persecutions. The left made him into a victim. Turns out that's a great campaign strategy

Point is- bidens best campaign strategy leading up to 2020 was to hide and be in front of the public as little as possible, and give trump enough rope to hang himself. That was certainly a novel campaign strategy.

It's also undeniable that all the criminal charges, the fight appearances and so on have been used by Trump as campaign appearances. Can't recall any previous candidate who has used such things over more traditional pavement pounding, debates and the like